ND's Talking Heads ... The good, bad & ugly

[dublinirish]

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13912821/1/scout-media-hit-with-involuntary-chapter-11-petition.html

Creditors Try to Force Scout Media Into Bankruptcy - WSJ

 

[stlnd01]

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13912821/1/scout-media-hit-with-involuntary-chapter-11-petition.html

Creditors Try to Force Scout Media Into Bankruptcy - WSJ

Feckin' Russians, man.

Seriously, though, recruiting websites seems like a tough business. I don't know how the market is big enough to support three major sites plus ESPN. Each one needs a ton of reporters on the ground all over the place.

 

[phgreek]

Feckin' Russians, man.

Seriously, though, recruiting websites seems like a tough business. I don't know how the market is big enough to support three major sites plus ESPN. Each one needs a ton of reporters on the ground all over the place.

Seems like these kids can post their videos online. If you understand the level of competition (generally) you can get a pretty good idea about how measurables are translating.

I do work with video analysis. It is amazing the kind of spatial and other information you can extract from video clips. As standards and algorithms advance in video analysis, seems like the demand for what these guys do will keep shrinking. Seems like there will be room for one of them.

I also wonder if the combination of standards and analytical tools with the video won't be the thing that decides who survives...by that I mean he who provides the service for recruits to submit video, coaches to analyze, and their own rating will be king.

 

[stlnd01]

Seems like these kids can post their videos online. If you understand the level of competition (generally) you can get a pretty good idea about how measurables are translating.

I do work with video analysis. It is amazing the kind of spatial and other information you can extract from video clips. As standards and algorithms advance in video analysis, seems like the demand for what these guys do will keep shrinking. Seems like there will be room for one of them.

I also wonder if the combination of standards and analytical tools with the video won't be the thing that decides who survives...by that I mean he who provides the service for recruits to submit video, coaches to analyze, and their own rating will be king.

I guess. I don't know that the value the sites offer to the typical college football fan is so much in the videos/analysis/rankings as it is in the news about recruiting itself. Who's visiting, who's leading for a kid, what a coachin staff thinks, where someone will go. What a guy like Wiltfong does. That's old-fashioned reporting, and requires relationships, with both recruits and coaching staffs. It's pretty labor intensive.

 

[phgreek]

I guess. I don't know that the value the sites offer to the typical college football fan is so much in the videos/analysis/rankings as it is in the news about recruiting itself. Who's visiting, who's leading for a kid, what a coachin staff thinks, where someone will go. What a guy like Wiltfong does. That's old-fashioned reporting, and requires relationships, with both recruits and coaching staffs. It's pretty labor intensive.

Yea...sorry, I got interrupted and didn't finish my thought. The evaluation info (stars) could be generated by creating anonymity, but posting coaches scores and assessments as they themselves view the "tape" using the tool sets to aid them. So reporter assessments may not be necessary, or at least the cost to do them significantly cheaper. I agree there is room for someone to do updates on soft stuff like where a recruit is trending, etc. But since the NCAA has to know about visits, I'm sure they have a system, and a feed could be generated.

I think the trend is this will be done with a lot of IT and integration, with one company leading the way.

 

[BobbyMac]

Had to unfollow my first person on Twitter. Keep your politics and your job separate Nick Ironside. Surprised 247 hasn't told him as much.

Tyler James is now on the clock.

 

[BobbyMac]

He gone.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Saying Goodbye: Five things I learned writing Inside the Irish <a href="https://t.co/zYrO4kwkNT">https://t.co/zYrO4kwkNT</a></p>— Keith Arnold (@KeithArnold) <a href="https://twitter.com/KeithArnold/status/821853397913575425">January 18, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ulukinatme]

He gone.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Saying Goodbye: Five things I learned writing Inside the Irish <a href="https://t.co/zYrO4kwkNT">https://t.co/zYrO4kwkNT</a></p>— Keith Arnold (@KeithArnold) <a href="https://twitter.com/KeithArnold/status/821853397913575425">January 18, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Shots fired at ND Nation lol

No matter how long I do it, I’ll never understand the people who can’t find a way to enjoy it.

Apologies in advance, but let me get this one off my chest. There’s a passion that surrounds Notre Dame football. But for a very vocal group, that passion has gotten demented, an elephant in the room that’s hard to ignore—even when you’re trying your best to do it.

I’ll never understand that. How people who have all the enthusiasm in the world for Notre Dame football have gotten it so twisted that they’ve forgotten that this is supposed to be fun.

It’s sports.

I won’t miss this part. The hard-liners who hold kids and coaches to a standard so far outside the one that they have for themselves, or the ones who fail to understand that every Saturday one team leaves a winner and the other a loser—and sometimes that loser wears blue and gold.

Make no mistake, I know better than most that college football is big business. It’s helped me and my family earn a living, talking and writing about one team, every day, for eight years. But for as good as it is when the team wins, the bad years are so much worse.

It’s hard not to draw parallels between the joyless cyber mob that infests Notre Dame football (and I’m sure many other programs) with the ones that turned this political season so toxic. The people who refuse to think there’s any nuance—that things either ARE or they AREN’T.

It’s hard to deal with people who believe that Notre Dame, if simply managed and operated by competent people, would still be the Notre Dame of the past. That if only Rockne, Leahy, Ara or Lou were in charge of the team, or Sorin, Moose or Father Ted were in the Main Building, things would be just fine.

Politics aside—and I truly mean that—nobody is going to Make Notre Dame Football Great Again. At least not how it used to be. And certainly not the echo chamber over at NDNation. So while that group will be very glad to be rid of me, know that—for the most part—the feeling is very mutual.

To be fair though, there are plenty of people here that also apply to this. I think it was very well said.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Shots fired at ND Nation lol

To be fair though, there are plenty of people here that also apply to this. I think it was very well said.

There are NDNation moles posting here!?

 

[dang227]

That sucks. I enjoyed Keith's work.

 

[ulukinatme]

There are NDNation moles posting here!?

Probably that Whiskeyjack guy....and that ACamp guy, but only because he's a douche.

That sucks. I enjoyed Keith's work.

Same here. According to the blog he's an alum, didn't know that, but it makes sense. In any case, he gets ND I think. He's not like a lot of these other fellows that cover the Irish. I think Keith has always been more than fair and done a good job.

 

[Rocket89]

Shots fired at ND Nation lol

Wonder how much NDN's blacklist of Inside the Irish had to do with this.

What a nitwit

They did it because he was too positive, or something. And they're proud of it! These are awful people.

 

[NDinBoston]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Loser <a href="https://twitter.com/KeithArnold">@keitharnold</a> (who falsely claimed Rees would be QB coach) says ND can't be great again. This thinking is why we need to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/draindulac?src=hash">#draindulac</a> <a href="https://t.co/MNzxAwVEuh">https://t.co/MNzxAwVEuh</a></p>— Notre Dame Trump (@realNotreTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realNotreTrump/status/821897686664310784">January 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[NDdomer2]

Smh...

Keith was great. Hopefully someone is able to pick up his torch.

 

[Downinthebend]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Loser <a href="https://twitter.com/KeithArnold">@keitharnold</a> (who falsely claimed Rees would be QB coach) says ND can't be great again. This thinking is why we need to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/draindulac?src=hash">#draindulac</a> <a href="https://t.co/MNzxAwVEuh">https://t.co/MNzxAwVEuh</a></p>— Notre Dame Trump (@realNotreTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realNotreTrump/status/821897686664310784">January 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Isn't this pretty much an idiotic post (well its coming from an NDN parody account..) pretty much all journalists (sb tribune etc) now agree that Reese is going to coach QBs and if the ncaa approves the 10th slot (highly likely) it'll be as a qb coach, else it'll be as a "GA" until a spot opens.

 

[NDinBoston]

Isn't this pretty much an idiotic post (well its coming from an NDN parody account..) pretty much all journalists (sb tribune etc) now agree that Reese is going to coach QBs and if the ncaa approves the 10th slot (highly likely) it'll be as a qb coach, else it'll be as a "GA" until a pot opens.

Right, it's just a joke account. I don't find much of it funny, but I think this one was actually funny in a way just not to be taken seriously or literally.

I liked Keith's work.

 

[woolybug25]

Shots fired at ND Nation lol



To be fair though, there are plenty of people here that also apply to this. I think it was very well said.

Wow... what a fuq'n prick. He complains about the lack of civility as he blasts on the very fan base that paid his mortgage the last 8 years in a rant that had no purpose but to shit on others.

Peace Keith... you're a piece of flaming $hit.

 

[Rocket89]

Right, it's just a joke account. I don't find much of it funny, but I think this one was actually funny in a way just not to be taken seriously or literally.

I liked Keith's work.

But it's not really a joke account.

 

[NDinBoston]

But it's not really a joke account.

Maybe you're right. Sorry if it bothered anyone. I probably just don't take that account very seriously. I really hate the negative crap so didn't post it for that reason. My last post on the topic.

 

[Rocket89]

Wow... what a fuq'n prick. He complains about the lack of civility as he blasts on the very fan base that paid his mortgage the last 8 years in a rant that had no purpose but to shit on others.

Peace Keith... you're a piece of flaming $hit.

Damn, you love NDN that much to feel that way? Say it ain't so.

Keith's always been really chill and a nice guy. He has every right to throw an arrow of truth after taking an uncountable amount of disgusting and vile abuse over the years. Good for him.

 

[Rocket89]

Maybe you're right. Sorry if it bothered anyone. I probably just don't take that account very seriously. I really hate the negative crap so didn't post it for that reason. My last post on the topic.

It's run by a NDN poster in an attempt to further their agenda. A few people seemed to find it funny for about a week but you're right doesn't seem to be taken seriously. Being a parody of a parody to not be a parody is super confusing.

 

[ulukinatme]

Wow... what a fuq'n prick. He complains about the lack of civility as he blasts on the very fan base that paid his mortgage the last 8 years in a rant that had no purpose but to shit on others.

Peace Keith... you're a piece of flaming $hit.

Damn, you love NDN that much to feel that way? Say it ain't so.

Keith's always been really chill and a nice guy. He has every right to throw an arrow of truth after taking an uncountable amount of disgusting and vile abuse over the years. Good for him.

I'm with Rocket on this. Keith has always been pretty fair and erred to the positive side when ND is concerned. I don't think he's been a click baiter or looking to break stories. I think the point he was trying to get across is that there's a lot of doom and gloom in the fan base (As there is with many fan bases, but moreso ours I'd say because of the lofty expectations) and we have to remember that these are young student athletes. This is a sport at the end of the day. We all want to win, and ND is doing their part to try and do it right. People need to just chill out a little and support the team, rather than constantly try to bring down those that are running the program or playing on the field.

 

[NDinBoston]

It's run by a NDN poster in an attempt to further their agenda. A few people seemed to find it funny for about a week but you're right doesn't seem to be taken seriously. Being a parody of a parody to not be a parody is super confusing.

Yeah, had no idea it was somewhat serious, probably because I had little interest : ). Hate that agenda and agree it is confusing. Man Keith nailed the parallel of ND fandom and the current political climate. It's just ugly and annoying/tiresome/boring/pathetic/etc.

 

[irishtrain]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Loser <a href="https://twitter.com/KeithArnold">@keitharnold</a> (who falsely claimed Rees would be QB coach) says ND can't be great again. This thinking is why we need to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/draindulac?src=hash">#draindulac</a> <a href="https://t.co/MNzxAwVEuh">https://t.co/MNzxAwVEuh</a></p>— Notre Dame Trump (@realNotreTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realNotreTrump/status/821897686664310784">January 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Depends on what your definition of great is--if its what Alabama is today the answer is no and Notre Dame doesn't want to--if its set a certain standard of play by the rules written and unwritten and try to use college as a stepping stone to life then Notre Dame is great. If its how many championships you win and how many kids are put into the NFL then its probably a no. College at the winning program level has basically turned professional---that's not going to happen in South Bend. I just don't want a SOFT football team.

 

[dublinirish]

always enjoyed Keith's work and it's a shame he does not post on here much anymore. Keith if you are reading this then just wanted to wish you best of luck with your future endeavors and thanks for all your hard work covering ND football the past 8 years

 

[Irish#1]

Shots fired at ND Nation lol



To be fair though, there are plenty of people here that also apply to this. I think it was very well said.

Well written. Could apply to IE as well.

 

[woolybug25]

Damn, you love NDN that much to feel that way? Say it ain't so.

Keith's always been really chill and a nice guy. He has every right to throw an arrow of truth after taking an uncountable amount of disgusting and vile abuse over the years. Good for him.

You can act like he was just talking to "ndnation.com", but he was clearly talking about the entire fan base. Then said we are a shell of what we used to be, will never be good again and then said fuq you right to your face and y'all are thanking him for it? Am I in la la land?

Do you not have any self respect?

 

[woolybug25]

Well written. Could apply to IE as well.

What was your favorite part? When he said tried to draw a parallel between our fanbase and why politics is so toxic? Or when he said we would never be good again?

These type of "mic drop" responses, especially from professionals, are both unprofessional and cowardly. It boggles my mind how our own fanbase seems to be eating it up.

As far as I'm concerned. His article was the equivalent of him telling me he hated writing for Notre Dame, he thinks we will never be good again and that he personally thinks I'm a dickhead. That's not exactly a message I'm going to applaud him for.

 

[Rocket89]

You can act like he was just talking to "ndnation.com", but he was clearly talking about the entire fan base. Then said we are a shell of what we used to be, will never be good again and then said fuq you right to your face and y'all are thanking him for it? Am I in la la land?

Do you not have any self respect?

He was clearly talking about NDN. He has a long history there. I wouldn't get too worked up about the message being for a wider audience.

 

[woolybug25]

He was clearly talking about NDN. He has a long history there. I wouldn't get too worked up about the message being for a wider audience.

Well, I think you're wrong. He's clearly talking about the broader "fanatic" sect of our fanbase. Which guess what? We are sitting here on an Irish football board, so that includes us.

Again, I'm the biggest hater of ndnation on here. I started the thread on them here. They banned me. There is no love lost. But I'm not foolish enough to think that it's okay for a professional journalist to completely lambaste us and then point his finger directly at them as an example. None of us can rebuttal. Nobody can defend themselves. It's a cowardly act that wreaks of unprofessional behavior.

Also, and I can't stress this enough, it's pretty rich of him to blast the very same people that paid his bills the last eight years. He could have left with grace. With a hopeful note. But no, he chose to bite the hand that has fed him for so long. He chose to shoot an arrow at us as he ran away. Fuq Keith.