ND Early Signing Period - 2019 Class

[dad4aa]

Not Irish related, but if you didn't see cooper Dawson's announcement video, look it up. That's what it should be about.

Saw it and loved it. This young man has great character.

 

[Irish YJ]

I love ESP... everything went exactly as planned, and all of our guys are locked in.

Still the potential for 1 or 2 nice surprises, but all 21 locked and loaded. #12 currently on the 247 comp stack. Might improve a tad bit with a surprise or two.



But.... I love the drama at many of the other schools. Glad we have none of that.

 

[Huntr]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kelly: We've created some more room to add to this list (before Feb. signing day is over)</p>— BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/1075447491464740865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2018</a></blockquote>

 

[Irish YJ]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kelly: We've created some more room to add to this list (before Feb. signing day is over)</p>— BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/1075447491464740865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2018</a></blockquote>

Not trying to turn this into the "who is leaving" thread, but we all anticipate that several known guys are going to leave, and that there are several others likely to be gone. Not wanting anyone gone, but depth/talent is having it's natural progression. It sure will be interesting. If we had to make room for 4 more studs, I'd bet they would make it happen. 2 more is likely very easy for them. And good new likely for JD.

 

[Huntr]

This isn't ND news, but I'm rolling at this. FSU shot down once Walt Bell left.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Maybe the biggest flip of the day goes to Mack Brown and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNC</a> snagging in-state QB Sam Howell from FSU. Was really impressed by Howell when I got a chance to watch him this summer.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1075477515324481536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2018</a></blockquote>

 

[Circa]

I know this isn't ND material but I'm really hoping I'm right on so many levels. 30-year-olds being recruited by the SEC.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Big Dawg Summerall, the nation’s first ever 6 �� recruit, has signed with Florida. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoGators?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoGators</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SwampSquadXIX?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SwampSquadXIX</a> <a href="https://t.co/xEXoKa1WgO">pic.twitter.com/xEXoKa1WgO</a></p>— GatorsCenter (@GatorsCenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/GatorsCenter/status/1075434453101633536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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[Woneone]

It's a recruits dad.

 

[BeauBenken]

I know this isn't ND material but I'm really hoping I'm right on so many levels. 30-year-olds being recruited by the SEC.
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I don't know how you can't tell its a joke...
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[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I don't know how you can't tell its a joke...
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I'm afraid Circa's gone on a large number of trips, amirite?

 

[fightingirish26]

This class is nuts...
QB- Home run
RB- Fine, getting 2 bodies was crucial for depth chart
WR- When Micah Jones is the fourth best guy coming in, it's a home run
TE- Could have passed on TE entirely, instead brought in 2 legit players. Home run
OL- Probably one of our worst OL classes in recent memory. Still, 90 percent of schools would kill for this OL class
DL- Solid, if not spectacular. If we can close on the '19 guys we're in great shape
LB- Fucking grand slam
DB- Home run

The weaknesses in this class are probably RB and OL, and we hardly embarrassed ourselves there. Yeah we don't have the star power coming in that some of the southern schools/OSU do, but this is about as good a class as ND could possibly hope to sign. The cupboard is full.

Went to find my post from last year about the class, to try to assess the two year recruiting.

QB-Jurkovec -> Clark. Love it. 5 star Phil means it's still a HR.
RB-Smith/C'Bo -> Kyren W. Need to do better here. Like Kyren, but I have doubts last year's pair will ever be up to standard.
WR-Austin/Keys/Lenzy/Jones/Wilkins -> KAR/Hart. KAR has great potential, last years class was big on talent and numbers tho so no holes really. Next years class could be yuuuge.
TE-Tremble/Takacs -> Pass. Got the two best TE's coming in next year, we were absolutely right to pass on TE this year. Cupboard is full.
OL-Jones/Patterson/Dirksen/Mabry ->Carroll/Correll/Kristofic/Olmstead. Fuckin HR after last years underwhelming OL class.

DL-Ademilolas/Franklin -> NOM/Lacey/Spears/Cross/(Foskey). Both Ademilolas look they will be impactful, and we're bringing in 5 4*s. Great stuff.
LB-Simon/Lamb/Bauer/Ovie -> Osi/Bertrand/Marist/Kiser/(Asa?). Huge numbers, Asa would just be the icing. We've got 4* LBs willing to pay their own way for a semester. So much versatility, so much athleticism. Lea effect.
DB-Griffith/Allen/Bracy/Boykin/Brown/Moala -> 5* Kyle/Wallace/Ajavon/Rutherford. I mean, has ND ever had a better two year stretch of DB recruiting. If they have, it was before I was alive.
ST-#2 punter Bramblett and walk on 3* K Leonard. Home run.

Looking ahead, the holes in this roster are minimal. 2020 needs to bring in a difference maker or two at RB. Incredible stuff all around.

 

[Irish YJ]

Depth and talent is already strong everywhere but RB. that's my only concern.

This year, OL rebounded strong, WR is a little drop off, QB very solid, TE pass was fine given what we have, and what we have already in 20.

DL/DB/LB .... Not sure I ever recall this talent and depth on the D in the last 20+ years. All positions seem to be in great shape already with more great guys coming in. Foskey and Turner could be really nice toppings on an already nice sundae.

Such a solid and well rounded effort by the coaches. Can't say enough. Makes me forget about Polian's STs.... for now lol at least.

We seem to luck out and get a stud RB every blue moon. Hoping 20 is a blue moon, and the year of the stud! That's what I want for Christmas next year.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Went to find my post from last year about the class, to try to assess the two year recruiting.

QB-Jurkovec -> Clark. Love it. 5 star Phil means it's still a HR.
RB-Smith/C'Bo -> Kyren W. Need to do better here. Like Kyren, but I have doubts last year's pair will ever be up to standard.
WR-Austin/Keys/Lenzy/Jones/Wilkins -> KAR/Hart. KAR has great potential, last years class was big on talent and numbers tho so no holes really. Next years class could be yuuuge.
TE-Tremble/Takacs -> Pass. Got the two best TE's coming in next year, we were absolutely right to pass on TE this year. Cupboard is full.
OL-Jones/Patterson/Dirksen/Mabry ->Carroll/Correll/Kristofic/Olmstead. Fuckin HR after last years underwhelming OL class.

DL-Ademilolas/Franklin -> NOM/Lacey/Spears/Cross/(Foskey). Both Ademilolas look they will be impactful, and we're bringing in 5 4*s. Great stuff.
LB-Simon/Lamb/Bauer/Ovie -> Osi/Bertrand/Marist/Kiser/(Asa?). Huge numbers, Asa would just be the icing. We've got 4* LBs willing to pay their own way for a semester. So much versatility, so much athleticism. Lea effect.
DB-Griffith/Allen/Bracy/Boykin/Brown/Moala -> 5* Kyle/Wallace/Ajavon/Rutherford. I mean, has ND ever had a better two year stretch of DB recruiting. If they have, it was before I was alive.
ST-#2 punter Bramblett and walk on 3* K Leonard. Home run.

Looking ahead, the holes in this roster are minimal. 2020 needs to bring in a difference maker or two at RB. Incredible stuff all around.

Agreed on all of it. Go back and stack three classes and it looks even better.

The sore spot is RB - I love Kyren and expect him to be in the running by Fall camp '19 but we need to pick up at least a top 15 RB every cycle. Same with WR but I trust Kelly & Co more with those evaluations.

 

[IrishLax]

'18 recruiting was a disaster at RB. I doubt either of those guys will play meaningful snaps at ND, and the position is the weakest on the roster heading into next year.

 

[Irish YJ]

'18 recruiting was a disaster at RB. I doubt either of those guys will play meaningful snaps at ND, and the position is the weakest on the roster heading into next year.

RB recruiting has been shit since 2015. 2013 was good too. Since then, meh. CJ Holmes IIRC is the only 90 or higher composite since, and he gone. And he was barely 90. I know stars aren't everything, but they are an indicator, and the trend hasn't been good the last 4 years.

 

[BabyIrish]

RB recruiting has been shit since 2015. 2013 was good too. Since then, meh. CJ Holmes IIRC is the only 90 or higher composite since, and he gone. And he was barely 90. I know stars aren't everything, but they are an indicator, and the trend hasn't been good the last 4 years.

Pete mentioned in his article or the comment section of his article on the class that he was surprised Denson hasn’t landed a stud RB yet as a coach.

 

[BobbyMac]

Don't bet against C'Bo.

The top rated prospect that became a ND RB, that was recruited by BK, has never become the best RB of his class. (He inherited Cierre Wood/Theo Riddick from Weis)

Year - Top rated RB prospect --------- Eventual top RB of the class

'18 - Jahmir Smith ----------------------- C'Bo Flemister
'17 - CJ Holmes - Avery Davis ---------- Jafar Armstrong
'16 - Tony Jones -------------------------- Deon McIntosh
'15 - Dexter Williams --------------------- Josh Adams
'14 - None
'13 - Greg Bryant -------------------------- Tarean Folston
'12 - KeiVarae Russell - Will Mahone --- CJ Prosise
'11 - George Atkinson --------------------- Cam McDaniel
'10 - Cameron Roberson ------------------ No one else ---------- He was an inherited Weis recruit too


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[Irishman77]

Don't bet against C'Bo.

The top rated prospect that became a ND RB, that was recruited by BK, has never become the best RB of his class. (He inherited Cierre Wood/Theo Riddick from Weis)

Year - Top rated RB prospect --------- Eventual top RB of the class

'18 - Jahmir Smith ----------------------- C'Bo Flemister
'17 - CJ Holmes - Avery Davis ---------- Jafar Armstrong
'16 - Tony Jones -------------------------- Deon McIntosh
'15 - Dexter Williams --------------------- Josh Adams
'14 - None
'13 - Greg Bryant -------------------------- Tarean Folston
'12 - KeiVarae Russell - Will Mahone --- CJ Prosise
'11 - George Atkinson --------------------- Cam McDaniel
'10 - Cameron Roberson

I disagree with most years:
18: too early to tell
17: jafaar wins by default -transfer
16: cant have it both ways . Jones is still here and has contributed more.
15. Imo Dex is the best rb Kelly has had.
13: it’s a push to me
12: again wins by default due to move to defense
11: your right

 

[BobbyMac]

I disagree with most years:
18: too early to tell
17: jafaar wins by default -transfer
16: cant have it both ways . Jones is still here and has contributed more.
15. Imo Dex is the best rb Kelly has had.
13: it’s a push to me
12: again wins by default due to move to defense
11: your right

Add up the yards. This isn't my opinion.

 

[Circa]

I don't know how you can't tell its a joke...
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[Luckylucci]

I like C'Bo more than most. He was insanely productive in HS. Granted it's only AAA, but it is AAA in GA. He's also a pretty decent athlete. Had a 14.7 PR 110 hurdles and had a 45'6 triple jump..

 

[zelezo vlk]

C'Bo can gallop

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[NDMIA]

Don't bet against C'Bo.

The top rated prospect that became a ND RB, that was recruited by BK, has never become the best RB of his class. (He inherited Cierre Wood/Theo Riddick from Weis)

Year - Top rated RB prospect --------- Eventual top RB of the class

'18 - Jahmir Smith ----------------------- C'Bo Flemister
'17 - CJ Holmes - Avery Davis ---------- Jafar Armstrong
'16 - Tony Jones -------------------------- Deon McIntosh
'15 - Dexter Williams --------------------- Josh Adams
'14 - None
'13 - Greg Bryant -------------------------- Tarean Folston
'12 - KeiVarae Russell - Will Mahone --- CJ Prosise
'11 - George Atkinson --------------------- Cam McDaniel
'10 - Cameron Roberson ------------------ No one else ---------- He was an inherited Weis recruit too


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.9768 Greg Bryant - 57att, 303yds, 5.3ypc, 3TDs
.9564 Dexter Williams - 142att, 1582yds, 6.6ypc, 20TDs
.9508 Tarean Folston - 343att, 1712yds, 5.0ypc, 11TDs
.9174 Will Mahone - DISMISSED
.9079 CJ Holmes - 8att, 32yds, 4.0ypc, 0TDs, DISMISSED
.9078 Avery Davis - 22att, 70yds, 3.2ypc, 0TDs
.9051 George Atkinson III - 153att, 943yds, 6.2ypc, 10TDs
.8973 Josh Adams - 480att, 3201yds, 6.7ypc, 20TDs
.8965 Cameron Roberson - Medical Injury
.8935 CJ Prosise - 167att, 1155yds, 6.9ypc, 12TDs
.8926 Tony Jones Jr. - 127att, 624yds, 4.9ypc, 6TDs
.8721 Jahmir Smith - 6att, 28yds, 4.7ypc, 0TDs
.8709 Jafar Armstrong - 71att, 377yds, 5.3ypc, 7TDs
.8544 Cam McDaniel - 255att, 1117yds, 4.4ypc, 8TDs
.8524 Deon McIntosh - 65att, 368yds, 5.7ypc, 5TDs DISMISSED
.8456 C'Bo Flemister - 1att, 0yds, 0.0ypc, 0TDs

5 composite 3 stars in the kelly era. The big 3 in terms of best yards per carry for their career are Josh Adams, CJ Prosise, and Dexter Williams. George Atkinson III was really good in his ypc which I didn't remember. Man oh man it would be nice to even see a .9200 or higher composite sign. I'd really like a big time one in that .9500 and up range, but I guess from Denson you can only expect so much. I think Tyree is their best chance at a big time RB in the 2020 class, but ND should just hope to keep stacking 4 stars that are good fits. Kyren Williams is a good start for this class. If Penn State can sign two .9500 or above guys then ND should have no excuse to get one with all of their running success and offensive line talent they have. Chris Tyree going to Penn State after just signing 2 big time guys would be damning.

 

[Irish YJ]

Pete mentioned in his article or the comment section of his article on the class that he was surprised Denson hasn’t landed a stud RB yet as a coach.

I thought he would do better after the year Josh had. And now Dex had a great year minus 4 games, and minus a dominating line like 17.

Don't bet against C'Bo.

The top rated prospect that became a ND RB, that was recruited by BK, has never become the best RB of his class. (He inherited Cierre Wood/Theo Riddick from Weis)
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IMO, Dex is hands down the best RB in the BK days, and the best in 2015. He had the same YPC as Josh. In less carries he had the same number of TDs. He was also the lead back in a year where the OL was not even close to what Josh had. Doghouse? Couldn't block? Didn't pick things up until this year?... I don't know what the issues were exactly (why Dex didn't play more earlier), but I think he's certainly the best NFL prospect. Love Josh and the others, but given my choice of drafting any one of them, it's Dex all day.

I like C'Bo more than most. He was insanely productive in HS. Granted it's only AAA, but it is AAA in GA. He's also a pretty decent athlete. Had a 14.7 PR 110 hurdles and had a 45'6 triple jump..

CBo really interests me. BK thought enough of him to play him early season as a return guy. His film was pretty good. I could see him getting a lot of work in 19.

 

[BobbyMac]

IMO, Dex is hands down the best RB in the BK days, and the best in 2015. He had the same YPC as Josh. In less carries he had the same number of TDs. He was also the lead back in a year where the OL was not even close to what Josh had. Doghouse? Couldn't block? Didn't pick things up until this year?... I don't know what the issues were exactly (why Dex didn't play more earlier), but I think he's certainly the best NFL prospect. Love Josh and the others, but given my choice of drafting any one of them, it's Dex all day.

Did you mean could've been? The numbers just aren't there to support him being better. He made his bed and got beat out by the better back... often times by 2 backs.

Josh Adams
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[stlnd01]

Don't bet against C'Bo.

The top rated prospect that became a ND RB, that was recruited by BK, has never become the best RB of his class. (He inherited Cierre Wood/Theo Riddick from Weis)

Year - Top rated RB prospect --------- Eventual top RB of the class

'18 - Jahmir Smith ----------------------- C'Bo Flemister
'17 - CJ Holmes - Avery Davis ---------- Jafar Armstrong
'16 - Tony Jones -------------------------- Deon McIntosh
'15 - Dexter Williams --------------------- Josh Adams
'14 - None
'13 - Greg Bryant -------------------------- Tarean Folston
'12 - KeiVarae Russell - Will Mahone --- CJ Prosise
'11 - George Atkinson --------------------- Cam McDaniel
'10 - Cameron Roberson ------------------ No one else ---------- He was an inherited Weis recruit too
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What this tells me more than anything is that other than a pair in 2015 we really haven't successfully recruited and developed running backs in almost a decade. Folston and Prosise had their moments, and Tony Jones and McDaniel were serviceable. But the rest of them...

I wouldn't give up on C'Bo or Jafar Armstrong just yet, but neither look ready to be RB1 next year. Really too bad CJ Holmes didn't make it. He was the next man in.

 

[Luckylucci]

What this tells me more than anything is that other than a pair in 2015 we really haven't successfully recruited and developed running backs in almost a decade. Folston and Prosise had their moments, and Tony Jones and McDaniel were serviceable. But the rest of them...

I wouldn't give up on C'Bo or Jafar Armstrong just yet, but neither look ready to be RB1 next year. Really too bad CJ Holmes didn't make it. He was the next man in.

A decade, ha. Well, it’s gotta be one of the other. Either recruited well or developed players because the production has been there.

 

[BobbyMac]

What this tells me more than anything is that other than a pair in 2015 we really haven't successfully recruited and developed running backs in almost a decade. Folston and Prosise had their moments, and Tony Jones and McDaniel were serviceable. But the rest of them...

I wouldn't give up on C'Bo or Jafar Armstrong just yet, but neither look ready to be RB1 next year. Really too bad CJ Holmes didn't make it. He was the next man in.

I'd argue they successfully developed Prosise, Adams & Armstrong up to now.

I'd argue they didn't develop everyone else up to their potential. They wasted a lot of time with Dex. They couldn't get him to turn the light on. Yeah, that's on him but SOMEONE in CFB would've gotten to him before this year. Plus, sometimes you have to play talented guys who aren't complete players. I think Kelly held on to low level coaching theory too long with his doghouse tactics. When you got a guy like Dex rotting on the bench because his blocking isn't up to par well you are failing. Either teach him how to block on way or the other OR accept it and get him the rock anyways. No one will ever convince me that his shortcomings in blocking would have swung his +/- into the negative. Dude's too electric with the ball in his hand.

*Tarean Folston had a good career. Good production, hampered by some untimely injuries and BK was in his Cam doesn't fumble stage. So he had an acceptable overall career, could have been better, could have been worse.

I'm guessing the bolded Jafar was supposed to be J. Smith right? Armstrong looks like the he'll be the boss for a while.

 

[Irish YJ]

Did you mean could've been? The numbers just aren't there to support him being better. He made his bed and got beat out by the better back... often times by 2 backs.

Best, or better as you know is crazy subjective. You're saying Josh was better based on career stats. If that is your definition, they absolutely. I'm saying "best" defined by skill/capability, and by NFL potential.

Our best comparison is 2017, when they both had the same line. The coaches decide who gets the carries. The players can only perform when they have an opportunity.

So in 2017
Josh vs Dex
6.9 vs 9.2 (ypc)
24 vs 8 (average touches required to score a TD)

Clearly the best bang per touch.

To my point about the coaches dictating who starts and gets the most touches. We all know the best players don't always start. BW/Book is but one example. Even in the tale of two halves last year vs LSU. Sure Dex could have been lazy, late to practice, bad attitude, couldn't block (I don't remember him being that much worse than Josh last year), or some other reason. Sometimes coaches reward soft skills more than hard. Whatever the reason, Josh got the touches and Dex didn't. Doesn't mean at all that Josh was the better RB defined as skill/capability. I think we would both agree that Dex has the higher ceiling in the NFL. But yes, career stat wise I definitely agree Josh was the better.

 

[Irish#1]

Dex is a more explosive back than Adams and has better speed to get outside, but Adam's held his own quite nicely.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I already like Litchfield a lot:

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