ND Coaching Search Megathread

[calvegas04]

Heistand
2013: 5x 4 stars
2014: 3x 4 stars
2015: 1x 4 star + 1x 3 star
2016: 1x 5 star + 1x 4 star + 1x 3 star
2017: 3x 4 star + 1 x 3 star
2018: 1x 4 star + 3 x 3 star (viewed as a disaster of a class).

Frye
2019: 1x 4 star + 3 x 3 star
2020: 2x 3 star
2021: 4x 3 star
2022: 1x 3 star

Who gets the better results in recruiting?

To be fair Frye didn't have the advantage of the ND brand while recruiting, and from what I remember didn't HH have a lot of help on the recruiting trail?

 

[BobbyMac]

If HH does get the gig, he will benefit from the beefed up recruiting machine that Freeman brought in. Dre Brown is another layer of contact / evaluation between Rees Sr, Kearney and the position coaches / Coordinators.

Plus, Quinn's got the shelves stocked at each position like never before. Recruiting isn't gonna be a big deal in 2022 besides some low number, big game hunting.

 

[Irish4life]

Would be great. But have heard Ohio State wants him too..

From where?

 

[Irish4life]

Heistand
2013: 5x 4 stars
2014: 3x 4 stars
2015: 1x 4 star + 1x 3 star
2016: 1x 5 star + 1x 4 star + 1x 3 star
2017: 3x 4 star + 1 x 3 star
2018: 1x 4 star + 3 x 3 star (viewed as a disaster of a class).

Frye
2019: 1x 4 star + 3 x 3 star
2020: 2x 3 star
2021: 4x 3 star
2022: 1x 3 star

Who gets the better results in recruiting?

The guy coaching OL at ND lol. With Frye/HH, I'm happy with whoever between the 2 we wind up getting.

 

[Irish4life]

No biggie. It is certainly interesting to consider Laurinaitis joining the staff in some capacity.

Hopefully as an analyst or something off field lol.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Hopefully as an analyst or something off field lol.

Loy just confirmed possible analyst

 

[Irish4life]

Loy just confirmed possible analyst

Thank God lol.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Can you remind me of recruiting rules for who is allowed to visit recruits? I know all the position coaches are allowed too, but could you theoretically have a position cosch (HH) who gives his recruiting pass to a guy like Dre Brown? Numbers would work out the same, but not sure if that's allowed.

 

[NDdomer2]

Can you remind me of recruiting rules for who is allowed to visit recruits? I know all the position coaches are allowed too, but could you theoretically have a position cosch (HH) who gives his recruiting pass to a guy like Dre Brown? Numbers would work out the same, but not sure if that's allowed.

I think you have a set number of people who can go on visits. I do not believe you can pick and choose who those are. If you are hired for an on the field role the ability to visit is attached. But could be wrong.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Once upon a time HH recruited Quenton Nelson to ND.

HH had a SERIOUS impact on Nelson and a few more coming to ND. Quenton was being courted by some heavy hitters too... I remember the reaction from Vols fans when HH left - like good riddance and can't wait to see what OL he screws up on the next team HH is with... The problem when HH was at TN was (at that time) Dooley wanted 7' 500lb monsters and HH was like they don't get that way until they are in the NFL.. but Dooley had a hard-on against HH and they rammed heads a lot because Dooley wanted NFL caliber from day 1 instead of letting HH develop the players.

 

[IrishLax]

What has Frye done to warrant be handed one of (if not THE) most loaded young OL roster on the planet? Some decent results at Boston College?

 

[stpeteirish]

So wasn't Harry's last class Dirksen, Cole Mabry and Luke Jones? Didn't Quinn come in late and land Patterson? This is probably what we will get. HH is 6 years older now. Don't think we should go that route.

 

[MacIrish75]

Wouldn’t it make sense to hire the guy that our guys were going to for secret, offseason, clandestine workouts, anyway???

 

[Free Manera]

MFMF is completely dedicated to all out recruiting warfare. He is not going to be duped into hiring a guy that can't/won't recruit. If he hires HH, it's because either he trusts he can recruit, or he so covets his coaching abilities that he is willing to forego his recruiting (because has a different plan for O line recruiting).

This staff does desperately need some experience. Whether it comes from the DC or WR or O line coach is yet to be seen. But the whole staff can't be young. At some point you need guys around that have seen it all, that the younger guys can lean on.

 

[BeauBenken]

Still not sure how Hiestand would be back in play after the reasons for his departure.

 

[zelezo vlk]

What has Frye done to warrant be handed one of (if not THE) most loaded young OL roster on the planet? Some decent results at Boston College?

He got passed over for one of BK's buddies, which means that clearly he's a slam dunk no brainer hire and one of the best coaches out there. Just like the HC at Akron

 

[Free Manera]

Still not sure how Hiestand would be back in play after the reasons for his departure.

The reasons must have been overblown, or Kelly had more to do with it than anyone knew. He has already interviewed, so it seems to be water under the bridge.

 

[NDdomer2]

Wouldn’t it make sense to hire the guy that our guys were going to for secret, offseason, clandestine workouts, anyway???

if we used this logic George Whitfield would have been our QB coach at some point.

 

[Irish in Ohio]

What has Frye done to warrant be handed one of (if not THE) most loaded young OL roster on the planet? Some decent results at Boston College?

So my question would be. If he had positive results at BC and also UCLA making those OL better, with no where near the talent he will have at ND shouldn't we be able to improve? Now you can claim he wasn't able to bring in OL on the level that ND has had . But when have either of those schools ever been able to compare to the level of talent ND brings in ?

 

[NDdomer2]

If we are saying that Harry doesnt need to be a good recruiter because ND OL recruits itself, then doesnt that also apply to ANYONE we hire?

I fall back that we do need experience on the staff, but I dont know if it's Harry's experience we need. He has never been a play caller or HC right?

That is what I think Frye's value is. Like Kelly or not he was probably top 3 most experienced HC in the nation and Tommy has him on the sideline and in the office for his whole career.

Tommy is still young and will need some valuable input, especially on the sideline during games while he is in booth. Do we think Taylor is going to provide him that? I'd be hesitant.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Im holding out till after bowl season is done when Freeman names Hartline as a coach

 

[Irish in Ohio]

If we are saying that Harry doesnt need to be a good recruiter because ND OL recruits itself, then doesnt that also apply to ANYONE we hire?

So you're saying that BC and UCLA recruit at the same level as ND at any position ?

 

[Riddickulous]

Im holding out till after bowl season is done when Freeman names Hartline as a coach

What can ND offer that OSU can't?

 

[NDdomer2]

So you're saying that BC and UCLA recruit at the same level as ND at any position ?

huh - no. im saying Frye's recruiting history shouldnt be considered by those also saying that Harry doesnt have to be a dog on the trail because ND OL recruits itself.

If were saying that as fact, then recruiting shouldnt be part of the equation.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

What can ND offer that OSU can't?

I dont care lol. Get Hartline in here by any and all means available.

 

[MacIrish75]

I would think that Tommy would have a pretty good grasp of whether he’d want to tie his longevity and ultimate success as an OC to Hiestand considering he was in the locker room as a player during Harry’s prior tenure. Gotta believe he knows acutely what went on in there and knows guys who loved Harry and also those who loathed him. The fact that Tommy is who he is gives him an advantage in this particular situation. He’s got first-hand knowledge of that environment.

 

[Irish in Ohio]

huh - no. im saying Frye's recruiting history shouldnt be considered by those also saying that Harry doesnt have to be a dog on the trail because ND OL recruits itself.

If were saying that as fact, then recruiting shouldnt be part of the equation.

Didn't say that ND recruiting OL recruits itself. But Frye has shown he does a good/ great job with lesser talent, agreed ? Not saying he is the one or HH doesn't deserve the spot. Just don't have the love fest for HH that some do.

 

[Trait Expectations]

If HH does get the gig, he will benefit from the beefed up recruiting machine that Freeman brought in. Dre Brown is another layer of contact / evaluation between Rees Sr, Kearney and the position coaches / Coordinators.

Plus, Quinn's got the shelves stocked at each position like never before. Recruiting isn't gonna be a big deal in 2022 besides some low number, big game hunting.

Yeah, three studs should be the goal. top 150 across the board or a lifelong fan who will not bolt early and be developed.

 

[NDdomer2]

Didn't say that ND recruiting OL recruits itself. But Frye has shown he does a good/ great job with lesser talent, agreed ? Not saying he is the one or HH doesn't deserve the spot. Just don't have the love fest for HH that some do.

I never even quoted you to start with so im certainly not sayign you said that. Just my own thoughts.

My stance is that if we believe that ND OL recruits itself then Fryes value is in being an ex OC/CoOC and what he can bring for us on teh sideline on gameday.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Im holding out till after bowl season is done when Freeman names Hartline as a coach

That would be worth hearing the Ohio St fans lose Their shit about it alone