ND Coaching Search Megathread

[IrishLax]

has he been mentioned or is this one that's a secret?

Been mentioned. I would be good with Strong as long as Freeman has a heavy hand in the actual scheme.

 

[tko]

Strong? Ultimate retread come on.

 

[NDFAN2008]

has he been mentioned or is this one that's a secret?

Someone else posted they heard the secret DC coach has been a head coach at multiple power 5 schools and he’s the one guy who makes sense. Has ties to ND

 

[Free Manera]

Strong is not the secret guy. He was explicitly mentioned as a candidate.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Someone else posted they heard the secret DC coach has been a head coach at multiple power 5 schools and he’s the one guy who makes sense. Has ties to ND

How about... Will Muschamp. He's only a Co-DC at Georgia right now. Plus he's in the playoffs which might be why he's a secret candidate.

 

[Dale]

Strong is not the secret guy. He was explicitly mentioned as a candidate.

Yes Strong and a few others on the OL and DC front were mentioned in the same article. I didn’t post those because the way Loy worded it for many of them made it sound like the names were interested in the job more than we were interested in the names

 

[zelezo vlk]

Strong coaches DL no? I'm not in favor of pushing Elston out.

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[chicago51]

Charlie Strong is familiar with running a multiple 3-3-5 scheme and which would seemingly make him a fit with Freeman’s scheme. Strong was originally a 4-3 guy but evolved to a 3-3-5 with 4 down looks mixed in. So X and O wise he seems to fit the profile of what we are doing with Freeman. I’m unsure about Strong but it could potentially work. Strong coaches LBs which also makes it seem like a fit. Been a head coach before so he can advise a first time head coach.

Muschamp comes from the Saban 3-4 for tree. Both Saban and Smart don’t play much traditional 3-4 anymore but more 2-4-5 nickel stuff. It’s still quite a bit different than Freeman’s scheme, and requires different body types / attributes for certain position relative to Freeman’s scheme. The positions in Freeman’s schemed line up fairly well with the Elko / Lea scheme. We’ve been recruiting defensive players for rolls in this scheme for a while now, doesn’t make sense to blow all that up.

Also Muschamp is kind of a loud mouth, stubborn, and egotistical; kind of like a Jim Harbaugh on the defensive side of the ball. He doesn’t fit the ND mold in my opinion.

 

[Free Manera]

Strong coaches DL no? I'm not in favor of pushing Elston out.

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Elston isn’t going anywhere no matter what. They would make the new DC coach another group.

 

[Trait Expectations]

Wait...is there info out there that HH is coming back as the OL coach? Will we be getting any additional recruiters to help him in that regard? He could kill it as our technician but we must keep signing classes like our last 2. Potential stacked on potential.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Charlie Strong is familiar with running a multiple 3-3-5 scheme and which would seemingly make him a fit with Freeman’s scheme. Strong was originally a 4-3 guy but evolved to a 3-3-5 with 4 down looks mixed in. So X and O wise he seems to fit the profile of what we are doing with Freeman. I’m unsure about Strong but it could potentially work. Strong coaches LBs which also makes it seem like a fit. Been a head coach before so he can advise a first time head coach.

Muschamp comes from the Saban 3-4 for tree. Both Saban and Smart don’t play much traditional 3-4 anymore but more 2-4-5 nickel stuff. It’s still quite a bit different than Freeman’s scheme, and requires different body types / attributes for certain position relative to Freeman’s scheme. The positions in Freeman’s schemed line up fairly well with the Elko / Lea scheme. We’ve been recruiting defensive players for rolls in this scheme for a while now, doesn’t make sense to blow all that up.

Also Muschamp is kind of a loud mouth, stubborn, and egotistical; kind of like a Jim Harbaugh on the defensive side of the ball. He doesn’t fit the ND mold in my opinion.

I would tend to agree with the last part but I haven't paid attention to him since he left Florida.

 

[BeauBenken]

Strong coaches DL no? I'm not in favor of pushing Elston out.

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He coaches LBs.

 

[chicago51]

Interestingly enough if Strong comes back to college football he has to serve a 1 game suspension for recruiting violations when he was HC of South Florida. Which would make him unavailable for Ohio State.

Edit: not recruiting violations. Something about going over the coaching allowance and actually having too many coaches working with the players. Anyway he's suspended for 1 game.

 

[NDdomer2]

Interestingly enough if Strong comes back to college football he has to serve a 1 game suspension for recruiting violations when he was HC of South Florida. Which would make him unavailable for Ohio State.

hire him before fiesta bowl, problem solved.

 

[NDFAN420]

Strong coaches DL no? I'm not in favor of pushing Elston out.

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He coached DL at ND in the 90's. I don't know what his rep is or how he recruits, but he's been around and has seen a lot. Might be a good voice to have in the room.

 

[zelezo vlk]

He coaches LBs.

Ah he switched in the mid 2000s. He was a DL coach in South Bend and Gainesville until Urban came in.

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[Riddickulous]

Wait...is there info out there that HH is coming back as the OL coach? Will we be getting any additional recruiters to help him in that regard? He could kill it as our technician but we must keep signing classes like our last 2. Potential stacked on potential.

I think Freeman/Rees could pick up some of the slack in recruiting.

 

[Irishize]

Ah he switched in the mid 2000s. He was a DL coach in South Bend and Gainesville until Urban came in.

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Where did Urban move him? IIRC, Strong was one of the holdovers from Zook staff and played a major role in their success. Was he named co-DC under Urban?

 

[MacIrish75]

So…are we not doing anything at WR coach? Admittedly I’ve just scanned the last couple pages of threads, but we seriously aren’t rolling with Del, are we?

 

[zelezo vlk]

Where did Urban move him? IIRC, Strong was one of the holdovers from Zook staff and played a major role in their success. Was he named co-DC under Urban?

I'm just basing this off his Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Strong

When Urban joined, he became Assistant Head Coach, Co-DC, and LB coach.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

So…are we not doing anything at WR coach? Admittedly I’ve just scanned the last couple pages of threads, but we seriously aren’t rolling with Del, are we?

The lack of public discussion obviously means that Hartline is locked in and coming over after bowl season.

(I tell myself)

 

[benneboy]

So…are we not doing anything at WR coach? Admittedly I’ve just scanned the last couple pages of threads, but we seriously aren’t rolling with Del, are we?

Seems likely we are moving on if Freeman already reached out to Hartline

 

[chicago51]

Ah he switched in the mid 2000s. He was a DL coach in South Bend and Gainesville until Urban came in.

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I thought Greg Mattison was D-line coach under Davie / Ty Willlingham, then went with Meyer with Florida. If I recall Mattison was Davie’s DC and then stayed on as just d line coach for Willingham. Strong was always linebackers under Davie, and then went with South Carolina to be Holtz DC before ending up at UF with Zook / Meyer. Mattison / Strong were co DCs Meyers first 2 years at UF, then Strong became solo DC when Mattison left to be the Ravens DC.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I thought Greg Mattison was D-line coach under Davie / Ty Willlingham, then went with Meyer with Florida. If I recall Mattison was Davie’s DC and then stayed on as just d line coach for Willingham. Strong was always linebackers under Davie, and then went with South Carolina to be Holtz DC before ending up at UF with Zook / Meyer. Mattison / Strong were co DCs Meyers first 2 years at UF, then Strong became solo DC when Mattison left to be the Ravens DC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Strong I'm just basing this off his wikipedia page

 

[PANDFAN]

Seems likely we are moving on if Freeman already reached out to Hartline

has this been reported?

 

[Dale]

Wait...is there info out there that HH is coming back as the OL coach? Will we be getting any additional recruiters to help him in that regard? He could kill it as our technician but we must keep signing classes like our last 2. Potential stacked on potential.

Idk it was deleted but it’s in Irish #1’s post now. HH is most likely according to Loy.

I’d guess Freeman would at minimum expect it to be a all boats rise with the tide situation.

 

[Dale]

IMO the DC choices were a tad underwhelming. Loy dismissed the idea of Tressel as unlikely which was my hope. Meh on the retreads. Heacock would be the ultimate “fine” to me. Eliano is an odd one considering who’s getting credit for Coby and Gardner? Mickens or Eliano? Or Fickell/Freeman/Tressel along the way? Not every coach possible gets them as a bullet point.

Hopefully the names offered up were a bit of Gug smokescreen the “mystery candidate” blows the doors off

 

[NDIrish88]

IMO the DC choices were a tad underwhelming. Loy dismissed the idea of Tressel as unlikely which was my hope. Meh on the retreads. Heacock would be the ultimate “fine” to me. Eliano is an odd one considering who’s getting credit for Coby and Gardner? Mickens or Eliano? Or Fickell/Freeman/Tressel along the way? Not every coach possible gets them as a bullet point.

Hopefully the names offered up were a bit of Gug smokescreen the “mystery candidate” blows the doors off

My thoughts exactly. Also a lot of DB coaches named for DC.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

IMO the DC choices were a tad underwhelming. Loy dismissed the idea of Tressel as unlikely which was my hope. Meh on the retreads. Heacock would be the ultimate “fine” to me. Eliano is an odd one considering who’s getting credit for Coby and Gardner? Mickens or Eliano? Or Fickell/Freeman/Tressel along the way? Not every coach possible gets them as a bullet point.

Hopefully the names offered up were a bit of Gug smokescreen the “mystery candidate” blows the doors off

I doubt we get a "blows the doors off" hire given that we have a defensive minded HC and most of the staff in place already.

 

[chicago51]

We’re NOT going to get an S-Tier Freeman / Mike Elko / David Aranda / Kirby Smart (I realize they are all head coaches now) caliber DC with Freeman as head coach. The best DCs just like best OCs want autonomy, and our head coach is always going to have a big hand in the defense (as he should, he’s one of the best defensive minds in college football right now).

If we get an established DC at a major program it’s going to be someone slightly below the top tier. Way I see it we’ll have to choose between an established A/B tier ish DC, or an up and comer (either P5 position coach that hasn’t been a DC yet or a Gof5 DC) that has a lot of promise to be an S Tier DC but hasn’t shown it on the big stage yet.