ND Coaching Changes 2016

[IrishLion]

I was actually gonna guess Stanford's OC based on the word "Farm" in the poem, but I didn't know his name and didn't have time to look it up when I posted my Fleck thing lol.

 

[STLDomer]

If the goal is to win games in the short term because Kelly is not long for this job then I don't care how well he recruits, I care how he helps win games. I don't see anything on his resume that shows that versus some other candidates we looked at. Maybe they didn't want the job, but I'm sure Quinn did and has the track record.

I'm not saying Chip Long can't be good I just don't understand how he fits with what we're purportedly trying to do next year.

What does Bloomgren bring that Long does not? I feel like you must just be rattled your clue fiasco was unsuccessful and unsubstantiated.

 

[BGIF]

Report: Long to be named ND offensive coordinator
Nick Ironside 247

 

[PANDFAN]

Report: Long to be named ND offensive coordinator
Nick Ironside 247

(THE AGGRESSIVE ETC PART WAS AT MEMPHIS)
“He’s going to direct an aggressive, ‘attack-style’ offense that will showcase our playmakers in every aspect of the game. He has been nationally recognized over the last four years as one of country’s top recruiters. Coach Long is originally from Birmingham, Alabama, and has great ties to the region. He has coached in the SEC, Big East, Big Ten, as well as the Pac-12 and is a dynamic addition to our staff."

 

[BGIF]

Sooo, Kelly to coach QBs by default/design?

I'm hoping Long's OC/TE background gets our talented group IN the game plan.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I LOVE this hire. Similar to Elko in that he's from a lower regarded school and has produced a really solid product with scheme. I LOVE that he's an excellent recruiter from Alabama. I LOVE that he was TE coach at Arkansas and hope he coaches TE's with Quinn. I LOVE the timing of the hire, at a crucial time in recruiting and literally hours after officially losing Denbrock. I really like how things are coming around. I don't believe any of the Kelly leaving talk. I'm willing to bet all my Vbucks that Kelly is HC in '18. If Wimbsuh turns out to be a playmaker and Elko improves our defense, we're gonna be darned good for a few years.

GO IRISH!!

 

[PANDFAN]

His wife just started following ND on twitter...it's all confirmed

 

[IrishLax]

Lax, what parts of Bogs post can you corroborate? You mentioned that some of it made sense and matched what you've heard, and other parts didn't jive. Which parts did sound spot on?

Basically, stuff about some programmatic decision being taken away from Kelly; Kelly actively looking to leave (he has effectively had a foot out the door for YEARS now); and that one way or another Kelly is gone next year (if he wins -- which is what ND wants -- then he walks on his own accord to somewhere and ND saves a lot of cash; if he loses he's fired.); and the stuff about having a short list for the next HC.

The parts I quibbled with are the stuff about Denbrock... I don't think he was pushed out, at all, if that's what Bogs is implying which I'm not really sure he is... and I don't believe that Kelly is giving up control of the offense this year but I guess we'll see... and some other minutiae.

 

[IrishLion]

If the goal is to win games in the short term because Kelly is not long for this job then I don't care how well he recruits, I care how he helps win games. I don't see anything on his resume that shows that versus some other candidates we looked at. Maybe they didn't want the job, but I'm sure Quinn did and has the track record.

I'm not saying Chip Long can't be good I just don't understand how he fits with what we're purportedly trying to do next year.

He's a super Young dude, so maybe in the same vein as Sanford, Swarbrick is hoping he's an offensive star in the making that can potentially take over the program with some grooming as the hip, new, young coach to lead the program in a new direction when BK is out, or at least to have a young up-and-comer in place at OC for whatever veteran HC they have their eyes on.

It would be hysterical if there is some veteran coach out there feeding these hires to JS, getting his staff in place a year early lol.

Also, as for Long being able to help the "win now" thing, Memphis actually put a better offense on the field this past year after losing Fuente and Lynch. That's impressive.

 

[anarin]

Huge fan of this hire! If BK let's him run the offense completely, they're gonna look good next season.

 

[PANDFAN]

FYI HIM AND ELKO BOTH GIVEN 3 YEAR CONTRACTS

 

[Meatloaf]

Personally, I like the hire.

Also This:Memphis OC Tries To Recruit Jalen Hurd, Reaches UT Frat Guy Instead | Outkick The Coverage

 

[ulukinatme]

This staff needed a shake up. It's put up or shut up time, I think Kelly realized that. While Denbrock brought a lot to the table, there's been too much misinformation and confusion as to who is calling the plays at the end of the day. If we see more of the same next year, it's obvious that Kelly can't let the reigns go...but I'm hoping we see a stronger/consistent running game next year, more utilization of our TE position, and take the pressure off our QBs a bit. Defensively we needed a shake up too, and I think Elko was the right direction for the program. Here's hoping we have a fresh product on the field next year.

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah, I'm with Panda. I'm really excited about this move. Bloomgren doesn't even make sense. Him and BK are diametrically opposed in philosophy and not half the recruiter as Chip. I really like the moves we made this offseason. This guy utilizes TE's within an uptempo offense that BK hopefully won't mess with too much. But more than anything, im looking forward to what he brings to the table from a recruiting standpoint. He's an excellent recruiter and has never had a product as good as ND to sell.

What does Bloomgren bring that Long does not? I feel like you must just be rattled your clue fiasco was unsuccessful and unsubstantiated.

I agree that there is a style contrast, which is why I didn't necessarily believe that he'd get the job (but it was from an industry professional with a Stanford source saying he interviewed, so I take that at face value) and that it'd be a weird fit. One thing that made sense though -- as Bogs said today, GK said previously, and has kind of been discussed in lots of places for awhile -- is that if Kelly is truly a "lame duck" coach then it doesn't matter if there is a style clash. And on top of that, if the opposite was true and he was taking back over control of the offense and QB coaching (as has been reported many places) then bringing in a guy whose specialty is coordinating a run game makes a lot of sense.

Also, there is not really evidence that Bloomgren is a worse recruiter than Long. Look at the OL Stanford has signed since he has been there. And Stanford is selling a much more similar product than ASU.

But this is all a moot point.

 

[IrishLax]

Also, Memphis was 26th by FEI and 37th by S&P+ in offense this past year. That was 8th/11th among Group of Five teams. Not really that impressive, at all. In fact it's downright mediocre.

And that's his only data point.

 

[Legacy93]

I agree that there is a style contrast, which is why I didn't necessarily believe that he'd get the job (but it was from an industry professional with a Stanford source saying he interviewed, so I take that at face value) and that it'd be a weird fit. One thing that made sense though -- as Bogs said today, GK said previously, and has kind of been discussed in lots of places for awhile -- is that if Kelly is truly a "lame duck" coach then it doesn't matter if there is a style clash. And on top of that, if the opposite was true and he was taking back over control of the offense and QB coaching (as has been reported many places) then bringing in a guy whose specialty is coordinating a run game makes a lot of sense.

Also, there is not really evidence that Bloomgren is a worse recruiter than Long. Look at the OL Stanford has signed since he has been there. And Stanford is selling a much more similar product than ASU.

But this is all a moot point.

Hiring Bloomgren would clearly signal that BK is just a lame-duck coach. There is no way that anyone would hire BK away from ND when it is clear to anyone who takes a look at the composition of the staff that BK was just a talking head (more or less). ND would be stuck with paying out BK or keeping him on for another year. Neither option works for ND (assuming the goal is to get BK hired away from ND).

Long keeps the focus on Kelly, and gives ND and BK the greatest opportunity to part ways cleanly.

Obviously, just my opinion playing out the scenario.

 

[BobbyMac]

FYI HIM AND ELKO BOTH GIVEN 3 YEAR CONTRACTS

Nice. Fleck must like both of them a lot for him to give JS the go ahead.

 

[PANDFAN]

Also, Memphis was 26th by FEI and 37th by S&P+ in offense this past year. That was 8th/11th among Group of Five teams. Not really that impressive, at all. In fact it's downright mediocre.

And that's his only data point.

and that is 1 better than ND...am i correct? going by memory


In his 1ST year as an OC...he took a MEMPHIS team that lost paxton lynch to having more yards per play

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's a stat to get excited about: Memphis averaged 6.7 yards per play against ranked opponents last season, which ranked 7th nationally.</p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/814942032598827013">December 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[loomis41973]

Love it.

Young and hungry.

 

[tko]

Meh. Not who I thought they were going to hire, thought he was pretty far down the list. Had heard Bloomgren from Stanford. Not impressed. Also, sorry for wasting everyone's time

Dude, that was awesome use of time. I found it very entertaining and hope for more of this in the future with recruits etc. Maybe you can start one for a S&C Coach?

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

This staff needed a shake up. It's put up or shut up time, I think Kelly realized that. While Denbrock brought a lot to the table, there's been too much misinformation and confusion as to who is calling the plays at the end of the day. If we see more of the same next year, it's obvious that Kelly can't let the reigns go...but I'm hoping we see a stronger/consistent running game next year, more utilization of our TE position, and take the pressure off our QBs a bit. Defensively we needed a shake up too, and I think Elko was the right direction for the program. Here's hoping we have a fresh product on the field next year.

BEST POST IN A LONG TIME

 

[PANDFAN]

other hires i would have been happy w/ would have been Locksley(to get into the DMV area) and helfrich....excited finally for ND football this coming year....Kool-aid all around

 

[BGIF]

Long played college ball for the University of North Alabama a Divison II school that's in Florence. He lettered 4 times as a TE and made All-American.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I'm gonna watch some Memphis game film. I hope he establishes a rugged run game, utilizes TE's and gets Wimbush on the move. Any scheme other than this would simply not be getting the most out of what we have. So fuc$ing excited for 2017 more so than the last few years in that there's going to be so much change ie Wimbush, Alize, 4-2-5, New OC/DC. Can't wait boys! Let's get after it!

GO IRISH

 

[Bogtrotter07]

If the goal is to win games in the short term because Kelly is not long for this job then I don't care how well he recruits, I care how he helps win games. I don't see anything on his resume that shows that versus some other candidates we looked at. Maybe they didn't want the job, but I'm sure Quinn did and has the track record.

I'm not saying Chip Long can't be good I just don't understand how he fits with what we're purportedly trying to do next year.

I think this corroborates what I have heard. Kelly didn't hire him, and the long term goal isn't an immediate fix.

I think ND has a future new HC already locked in and I have shared it with a couple of you.

Think about it. Kelly has lost just about everyone on this sites confidence, do you think it is any different with the powers that be in South Bend?

 

[PANDFAN]

I think this corroborates what I have heard. Kelly didn't hire him, and the long term goal isn't an immediate fix.

I think ND has a future new HC already locked in and I have shared it with a couple of you.

Think about it. Kelly has lost just about everyone on this sites confidence, do you think it is any different with the powers that be in South Bend?

damn boggs...where is the love...PANDA just sitting in the corner by himself

 

[loomis41973]

I think this corroborates what I have heard. Kelly didn't hire him, and the long term goal isn't an immediate fix.

I think ND has a future new HC already locked in and I have shared it with a couple of you.

Think about it. Kelly has lost just about everyone on this sites confidence, do you think it is any different with the powers that be in South Bend?

I don't buy this for a minute. Kelly would have forced his own firing before being told what to do as far as staff hires.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Huge fan of this hire! If BK let's him run the offense completely, they're gonna look good next season.

This staff needed a shake up. It's put up or shut up time, I think Kelly realized that. While Denbrock brought a lot to the table, there's been too much misinformation and confusion as to who is calling the plays at the end of the day. If we see more of the same next year, it's obvious that Kelly can't let the reigns go...but I'm hoping we see a stronger/consistent running game next year, more utilization of our TE position, and take the pressure off our QBs a bit. Defensively we needed a shake up too, and I think Elko was the right direction for the program. Here's hoping we have a fresh product on the field next year.

I am telling you guys, Kelly didn't hire anyone. And Kelly isn't in charge of anything except winning games next year. None of this.

Also remember, Kelly had seven years to put together a cohesive staff; and this last go was an unbelievably incredible failure. In the history of failures and coaching staff, this nearly tops the list, from Uncle Rico, to Gilmore, to . . . well lets just say I am still livid about any recruit hearing any two coaches argue during a visit.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

damn boggs...where is the love...PANDA just sitting in the corner by himself

Yeah, but you have her in the corner with you.

 

[PANDFAN]

I am telling you guys, Kelly didn't hire anyone. And Kelly isn't in charge of anything except winning games next year. None of this.

Also remember, Kelly had seven years to put together a cohesive staff; and this last go was an unbelievably incredible failure. In the history of failures and coaching staff, this nearly tops the list, from Uncle Rico, to Gilmore, to . . . well lets just say I am still livid about any recruit hearing any two coaches argue during a visit.

ok, dammit! panda's on line 1..pick up