ND Coaching Changes 2016

Downinthebend · Dec 30, 2016

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Bogtrotter07 · Dec 30, 2016

loomis41973 said:
I don't buy this for a minute. Kelly would have forced his own firing before being told what to do as far as staff hires.

Don't kid yourself!

Kelly got behind the chains, so to speak.

Next year he is tasked with cleaning up his own mess. This year was his own mess.

What would you do if you were told to fix the problems you made, or you wouldn't be able to coach anywhere again?

Next thing someone will tell me that the people behind the ND program don't have that kind of clout.

Bogtrotter07 · Dec 30, 2016

PANDFAN said:
ok, dammit! panda's on line 1..pick up

I told you guys, or inferred it to you guys over and over!

Hint : it happened (more than once) and was public enough that it was reported at least once elsewhere, (one occurrence.)

Why do you think I have been so pissed off about ND football, and Kelly lately. And why do you think I give a shit about the firing of any ND assistant coach not an ND grad, or named Harry?

TP81989 · Dec 30, 2016

I don't see the significance of the hire if it's still going to be the Kelly crap show on offense.

Bogtrotter07 · Dec 30, 2016

Well there, you answered your own question, didn't you?

OCIrish · Dec 30, 2016

PANDFAN said:
FYI HIM AND ELKO BOTH GIVEN 3 YEAR CONTRACTS

My guess would be, this was done so the next HC would have some dynamic coordinators in which he could come in and not have to make a bunch of changes, and maybe be able to attract a big time coach.......just kinda spitballing here, though.

OCIrish · Dec 30, 2016

PANDFAN said:
damn boggs...where is the love...PANDA just sitting in the corner by himself

No, not by yourself.........come on in, the waters fine, lol

InKellyITrust · Dec 30, 2016

Who's in your avatar? That's all I really care about

irishff1014 · Dec 30, 2016

Bogtrotter07 said:
Don't kid yourself!

Kelly got behind the chains, so to speak.

Next year he is tasked with cleaning up his own mess. This year was his own mess.

What would you do if you were told to fix the problems you made, or you wouldn't be able to coach anywhere again?

Next thing someone will tell me that the people behind the ND program don't have that kind of clout.

I am calling bullshit. Kelly's agent would have this out in the air and making ND look bad and not his client.

loomis41973 · Dec 30, 2016

irishff1014 said:
I am calling bullshit. Kelly's agent would have this out in the air and making ND look bad and not his client.

Without a single doubt.

Collect a fat check and sit home or have someone else run your program. A silly theory at best.

Bogtrotter07 · Dec 30, 2016

OCIrish said:
My guess would be, this was done so the next HC would have some dynamic coordinators in which he could come in and not have to make a bunch of changes, and maybe be able to attract a big time coach.......just kinda spitballing here, though.

When you think about it, three years, with Kelly remaining at least one is two.

And if ND picks from the pool of up and coming mid major coaching talent, one of the new coaches coordinators may be that schools next hire to replace our new coach.

So if these hires are also up and comers, the new coach may want them for more than just continuity.

AND, finally, in three years, if Long and Elko are really good, (home run hires, best case scenario for ND) they may be ready to move on to a head job.

How long did it take Sanford to find a great first gig? Two years?

I think all of this comes together nicely to support what I have heard.

PerthDomer · Dec 30, 2016

Any hints as to who the next coach will be? OC seems to fit Fleck, though why wait a year on him unless to try to save money on the buyout? Is it STOOPS again? Banking on Chip Kelly failing at SF? Does McIntyre like what he's heard about our new OC being in conference?

I presume anyone would be OK with Elko, I'm guessing the OC is to mesh with a spread guy or someone who is agnostic on offensive philosophy.

ab2cmiller · Dec 30, 2016

tko said:
Dude, that was awesome use of time. I found it very entertaining and hope for more of this in the future with recruits etc. Maybe you can start one for a S&C Coach?

I got this one Lax

Your first clue is

OCIrish · Dec 30, 2016

Bogtrotter07 said:
When you think about it, three years, with Kelly remaining at least one is two.

And if ND picks from the pool of up and coming mid major coaching talent, one of the new coaches coordinators may be that schools next hire to replace our new coach.

So if these hires are also up and comers, the new coach may want them for more than just continuity.

AND, finally, in three years, if Long and Elko are really good, (home run hires, best case scenario for ND) they may be ready to move on to a head job.

How long did it take Sanford to find a great first gig? Two years?

I think all of this comes together nicely to support what I have heard.

Thanks, Bogs & Lax for sharing whatever info you guys have had lately!!! Very much appreciated!!

stlnd01 · Dec 30, 2016

Bogtrotter07 said:
I think this corroborates what I have heard. Kelly didn't hire him, and the long term goal isn't an immediate fix.

Must say I don't entirely understand this theory. If Kelly didn't hire his new coordinators, who did? Swarbrick? And if the plan - such as it is - is a new coach by this time next year, won't a new coach want to hire his own coordinators? At least one of them?
I understand if the idea is that Kelly was told the staff needed some big changes. And I get how three-year contracts give the coordinators stability that may well outlast Kelly's. And I think it makes sense for BK to bring in high-quality assistants and shift to more of a CEO type role.
But he's still the head coach, and this plan doesn't work if he's not fully on board. He's going to work with these people every day. Maybe I'm mis-understanding, but the framing that control of the football program has been taken from him seems like it may exaggerate what's going on here.

BGIF · Dec 30, 2016

stlnd01 said:
Must say I don't entirely understand this theory. If Kelly didn't hire his new coordinators, who did? Swarbrick? And if the plan - such as it is - is a new coach by this time next year, won't a new coach want to hire his own coordinators? At least one of them?
I understand if the idea is that Kelly was told the staff needed some big changes. And I get how three-year contracts give the coordinators stability that may well outlast Kelly's. And I think it makes sense for BK to bring in high-quality assistants and shift to more of a CEO type role.
But he's still the head coach, and this plan doesn't work if he's not fully on board. He's going to work with these people every day. Maybe I'm mis-understanding, but the framing that control of the football program has been taken from him seems like it may exaggerate what's going on here.

I read the tea leaves the same way you do. What new head coach comes without his own cadre of assistants? "You want me to win 10 games with a staff assembled by committee, seriously?"

Or, is there a HC in waiting already on the back burner pulling the strings? Bizarre scenario.

Are the Russians hacking the ND Athletic Department and the BOT?

dwshade · Dec 30, 2016

irishff1014 said:
I am calling bullshit. Kelly's agent would have this out in the air and making ND look bad and not his client.

It is complete BS. Not a grain of truth to it.

Dizzyphil · Dec 30, 2016

Watch Memphis Tigers football a lot. They run a Pro-Style offense. It is fast and fun to watch. I think last year, Fuentes had a lot to do with the success of the team before he left for VT.

ND Fan Vancouver · Dec 30, 2016

Bogtrotter07 said:
I am telling you guys, Kelly didn't hire anyone. And Kelly isn't in charge of anything except winning games next year. None of this.

Also remember, Kelly had seven years to put together a cohesive staff; and this last go was an unbelievably incredible failure. In the history of failures and coaching staff, this nearly tops the list, from Uncle Rico, to Gilmore, to . . . well lets just say I am still livid about any recruit hearing any two coaches argue during a visit.

I think of you as one of the most knowledgable ND fans around and I admit I don't know nearly as much as you but in my opinion this whole conspiracy-ish motion that Kelly didn't make the new hires and is on his way out is false. I think Kelly had a long hard look at everything after the horrid season and decided that he need to get rid of his buddies and overhaul the failing offensive and defensive schemes as well as getting Polian back here to get our ST where it needs to be. He brought in two up and coming Coordinators from smaller schools that are producing great things with lower talent. Especially Elko, he will do great things with his scheme at ND.
Folks around here have a HUGE hard on to see Kelly go but I just don't see it happening. I don't see ND having another losing season next year.

Jimmy3Putt · Dec 30, 2016

Dizzyphil said:
Watch Memphis Tigers football a lot. They run a Pro-Style offense. It is fast and fun to watch. I think last year, Fuentes had a lot to do with the success of the team before he left for VT.

I don't watch any Memphis football, but after a quick youtube search it's definitely not a "pro style" system. Every video I've found has them running a spread.

Dizzyphil · Dec 30, 2016

Jimmy3Putt said:
I don't watch any Memphis football, but after a quick youtube search it's definitely not a "pro style" system. Every video I've found has them running a spread.

Google has a pretty good search engine you could use to find this out. Plus I did watch many of their full games.... not just a couple of plays on YouTube......

Chip Long talks Memphis' offensive scheme

Downinthebend · Dec 30, 2016

Dizzyphil said:
Google has a pretty good search engine you could use to find this out. Plus I did watch many of their full games.... not just a couple of plays on YouTube......

Chip Long talks Memphis' offensive scheme

Its not pro style by most usages of the word

ulukinatme · Dec 30, 2016

Dizzyphil said:
Google has a pretty good search engine you could use to find this out. Plus I did watch many of their full games.... not just a couple of plays on YouTube......

Chip Long talks Memphis' offensive scheme

Memphis will not huddle, Long said. The quarterback will take snaps both under center and out of the shotgun, and have the freedom to audible out of a bad play at the line of scrimmage or shift his protection to pick up a blitz. The Tigers will also use two- and three-back sets in which backs can shift out wide to exploit mismatches

Sounds like some elements of the Oregon offense with the 2 (And to a lesser extent 3) back sets, fast pace, and the option to be under center or shotgun. Sexy! Definitely doesn't sound like Pro Style Offense though unless one of those backs is a Fullback....in which case...

NDinBoston · Dec 30, 2016

I think this is where the staff is currently:
1. DC = Elko
2. DL = Gilmore
3. LB = Elston
4. DB = Lyght
5. ST = Polian
6. OC = Chip Long
7. OL = HH
8. RB = Denson

Unrepresented are WR/TE/QB with one more opening? Almost all good recruiters. Should be interesting to see if there is one more change or more than one.

Luckylucci · Dec 30, 2016

NDinBoston said:
I think this is where the staff is currently:
1. DC = Elko
2. DL = Gilmore
3. LB = Elston
4. DB = Lyght
5. ST = Polian
6. OC = Chip Long
7. OL = HH
8. RB = Denson

Unrepresented are WR/TE/QB with one more opening? Almost all good recruiters. Should be interesting to see if there is one more change or more than one.

It seems like a forgone conclusion that Elko is bringing one coach with him and most are pretty confident it's Clark Lea, LB's coach. But, as of today, you are probably right.

NDinBoston · Dec 30, 2016

Luckylucci said:
It seems like a forgone conclusion that Elko is bringing one coach with him and most are pretty confident it's Clark Lea, LB's coach. But, as of today, you are probably right.

Thanks! That's what I read earlier and was wondering if you guys thought that was still a possibility. Any idea if he is a good recruiter?

dwshade · Dec 30, 2016

A vote on teams being able to have ten assistants comes in April so the staff could grow by one. Also Long has experience coaching TE's.

dwshade · Dec 30, 2016

Luckylucci said:
It seems like a forgone conclusion that Elko is bringing one coach with him and most are pretty confident it's Clark Lea, LB's coach. But, as of today, you are probably right.

If Lea comes in either Elston goes to DL and Gilmore is gone or if Elko likes Gilmore, Elston could could coach TE's in addition to being recruiting coordinator.

Dizzyphil · Dec 30, 2016

ulukinatme said:
Sounds like some elements of the Oregon offense with the 2 (And to a lesser extent 3) back sets, fast pace, and the option to be under center or shotgun. Sexy! Definitely doesn't sound like Pro Style Offense though unless one of those backs is a Fullback....in which case...

Nice post. You should get an award. Oh wait, you probably did. An erect one since you say it only gets so erect.

Dizzyphil · Dec 30, 2016

Downinthebend said:
Its not pro style by most usages of the word

Article and what I have watched over the years shows a pro-style so, don't know what else it could be.

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