Missouri Football Players to Strike

[ThePiombino]

I would think a 9-0 team in the Playoff hunt who wanted to strike would have more leverage.

They just might, but I think the point with that statement is the players/coaches wouldn't be a part of it if they had that much to lose and that this is generally disingenuous as a result.

 

[RDU Irish]

I didn't know you were Chinese.

What are you talking about? When I visited for VEISHA I was surrounded by rednecks.

 

[NDgradstudent]

You have to give Mizzou credit for capitalizing on two media obsessions in the past couple years -gay rights and 'white privilege'- in order to get attention for no reason. What are in fact meaningless events (somebody announcing that he is gay and someone using racist language) become national "conversations" and earn Mizzou lots of praise from the ESPN-industrial complex.

 

[GoIrish41]

You have to give Mizzou credit for capitalizing on two media obsessions in the past couple years -gay rights and 'white privilege'- in order to get attention for no reason. What are in fact meaningless events (somebody announcing that he is gay and someone using racist language) become national "conversations" and earn Mizzou lots of praise from the ESPN-industrial complex.

Except Sams didn't come out until he was going to get drafted by the NFL and that wasn't really anything the university had anything to do with. Also, having your President resign over accusations of racism on campus is really not really the sort of thing that paints the university in a positive light.

 

[Ndaccountant]

You have to give Mizzou credit for capitalizing on two media obsessions in the past couple years -gay rights and 'white privilege'- in order to get attention for no reason. What are in fact meaningless events (somebody announcing that he is gay and someone using racist language) become national "conversations" and earn Mizzou lots of praise from the ESPN-industrial complex.

I am eagerly awaiting The Onion's take on this.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Except Sams didn't come out until he was going to get drafted by the NFL and that wasn't really anything the university had anything to do with. Also, having your President resign over accusations of racism on campus is really not really the sort of thing that paints the university in a positive light.

He did come out to the team before his senior season, just not to the media.

 

[Grahambo]

Prepare for all the random stories of racism that someone experienced at Mizzou over the last X amount of years.

 

[IrishLax]

Prepare for all the random stories of racism that someone experienced at Mizzou over the last X amount of years.

Half of which will likely be made up, like the UVA rape expose in Rolling Stone.

 

[GoIrish41]

He did come out to the team before his senior season, just not to the media.

Exactly. How does that "help" the university?

 

[IrishinSyria]

Thus is going to start a bad chain of events mark my words!

Yup. Football players starting to wake up to how much leverage they have if they act together....


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I love the fake outrage over the PRECEDENT it sets to let FOOTBALL PLAYERS CALL THE SHOTS. These dudes literally work their asses off all year and quite possibly sacrifice their actual brains for your amusement/profit. It's long past time they started realizing they have some juice.

Also if the president actually went immediately and sat down with the team when they first made this complaint known (with the coach's backing), there's a good chance they could have had an honest dialogue and worked things out but there's no evidence that anything like that happened. As a general rule when you treat people with some respect and make it feel like you're listening to them you get good results.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I'm waiting on the #5 team at the end of the year to go on strike. Maybe then we can get to the 8 team playoff quicker.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm waiting on the #5 team at the end of the year to go on strike. Maybe then we can get to the 8 team playoff quicker.

Since you're already cheering that team on let's just put bama in the five spot now and have them go on strike for the next ten years...

fight for the people...

 

[IrishinSyria]

I'm waiting on the #5 team at the end of the year to go on strike. Maybe then we can get to the 8 team playoff quicker.

Actually not a bad idea. How much $$$ would it cost the NCAA if a team forfeited a major bowl game. How many other 20 year olds have leverage worth millions of dollars like that?

 

[BGIF]

Actually not a bad idea. How much $$$ would it cost the NCAA if a team forfeited a major bowl game. How many other 20 year olds have leverage worth millions of dollars like that?

Probably nothing.

Now if a team refused to show up for an event actually run by the NCAA like the Final Four ...

 

[IrishinSyria]

Probably nothing.

Now if a team refused to show up for an event actually run by the NCAA like the Final Four ...

Good point, but I'd be shocked if the NCAA didn't have their hand in that pot one way or another. Can't find any information on revenue outside of bowl payouts to schools though.

 

[Irish_Passion]

I cannot believe we have become a nation that approves this type of action. I blame the media for this crap.

How is it that whites can be regarded as racist, yet every movement over the past 2 years has its foundation built off of racism?!?! #blacklivesmatter? uhmm, #alllivesmatter

Maybe all the white football/basketball players in college and NFL/NBA should start a strike so that whites get equal opportunity to make a team/earn a scholarship. Guess what, the "BEST" candidate is given the opportunity! Same thing goes in the workforce. I am sure there are some examples of racism that exists in places (likely nepotism is worse), but for the most part, employers are hiring the best possible candidates for the roles they are hiring for.

Just cannot believe that this came about like this.. This is just the tip of the iceberg.. Now that the desired results have been achieved, this garbage will continue all over the place.

For the record, I despise racism. I like people for people, regardless of color, but I haven't read anything that leads me to believe that the president was racist. Maybe he was, and got what he deserved, but the tactics for pulling this off was built off a foundation of racism itself.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Since you're already cheering that team on let's just put bama in the five spot now and have them go on strike for the next ten years...

fight for the people...

The "run" will end at some point. They always do.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I cannot believe we have become a nation that approves this type of action. I blame the media for this crap.

How is it that whites can be regarded as racist, yet every movement over the past 2 years has its foundation built off of racism?!?! #blacklivesmatter? uhmm, #alllivesmatter

Maybe all the white football/basketball players in college and NFL/NBA should start a strike so that whites get equal opportunity to make a team/earn a scholarship. Guess what, the "BEST" candidate is given the opportunity! Same thing goes in the workforce. I am sure there are some examples of racism that exists in places (likely nepotism is worse), but for the most part, employers are hiring the best possible candidates for the roles they are hiring for.

Just cannot believe that this came about like this.. This is just the tip of the iceberg.. Now that the desired results have been achieved, this garbage will continue all over the place.

For the record, I despise racism. I like people for people, regardless of color, but I haven't read anything that leads me to believe that the president was racist. Maybe he was, and got what he deserved, but the tactics for pulling this off was built off a foundation of racism itself.

Most can be traced to "Political Correctness."

While I am for all things that can assist any minority the right to advance, I am also for making people live up to the responsibilities they have with that as well. Sadly, we appear to be raising a generation of people - of all colors, races, etc. - that don't understand that it isn't a right to have everything you desire and if you don't get it then you can blame the establishment. Hard work, dedication, self preservation, responsibilities, etc has long since left a large part of this particular generation of individuals. Not all as there are some that still understand those principles and strive daily to achieve great things. And yes, the liberal media in this country, along with the liberal college campuses, drive this poison to the extreme.

I haven't really read up on the Mizzou situation so I won't comment on that specifically. Maybe those that decided to "strike" have justifiable reasons for doing so and I applaud them if that is the case. If it is another example of political correctness then I vehemently disagree with their actions.

 

[NDgradstudent]

It is particularly hilarious that this is happening at a school where the football and basketball players have an appalling record of committing crimes. And yet, in spite of that, its the Mizzou President who is fired for endorsing (?) 'racism'? Meanwhile, the coach overseeing this extraordinary Tiger crime spree morally preens about how Mizzou can now "fix its problems"?

Pinkel said that a student's "life was on the line." A graduate student was on a hunger strike to protest "systematic racism" on campus. Pinkel is saying that if somebody threatens violence to himself or to others then he should get what he wants. I assumed there was some limit to the stupidity, but I haven't found it yet.

I'm pulling hard for BYU this week: a university with well-behaved, non-criminal student athletes and an administration that does not cede its authority to hysterical race-baiting bullies.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Missouri Football Players to Strike

I'm pulling hard for BYU this week: a university with well-behaved, non-criminal student athletes and an administration that does not cede its authority to hysterical race-baiting bullies.

I wouldn't annoint BYU the bastion of wholesomeness. The Mormon cult is very self-serving.

*Another thread for another time

 

[IrishinSyria]

Most can be traced to "Political Correctness."

While I am for all things that can assist any minority the right to advance, I am also for making people live up to the responsibilities they have with that as well. Sadly, we appear to be raising a generation of people - of all colors, races, etc. - that don't understand that it isn't a right to have everything you desire and if you don't get it then you can blame the establishment. Hard work, dedication, self preservation, responsibilities, etc has long since left a large part of this particular generation of individuals. Not all as there are some that still understand those principles and strive daily to achieve great things. And yes, the liberal media in this country, along with the liberal college campuses, drive this poison to the extreme.

I haven't really read up on the Mizzou situation so I won't comment on that specifically. Maybe those that decided to "strike" have justifiable reasons for doing so and I applaud them if that is the case. If it is another example of political correctness then I vehemently disagree with their actions.

Clearly they believed they had a justifiable reason for doing so. In essence, the Missouri president failed to convey to the black students at Mizzou that he took their concerns about racism seriously. Who knows if there was actually an unusual amount of racism at Mizzou (though it seems easy enough to believe). The story is really about a president's failure to communicate with a group of minority students and the students discovering that they had more leverage than they (or anyone) thought.

 

[Grahambo]

Half of which will likely be made up, like the UVA rape expose in Rolling Stone.

Yup. Pretty much my point. Now, all of a sudden, everyone just so happened to have experienced racism.

Yup. Football players starting to wake up to how much leverage they have if they act together....


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This isn't at you IiS, just to that message board post.

I'm sick and tired of that bullshit excuse. Football is a game. Enough with the whole, 'they put their brains on the line for our amusement.' This isn't the fucking Roman gladiators where you were forced to fight to the death. Its a fucking game. If you don't like it, don't want it, too scared to get hurt then don't play. And that's not some macho bullshit either. It's seriously just a game. Much more to life then football. Many have survived just fine without it so if you don't want it then figure out another way to pay for your education like everyone else and lead a perfectly good life doing something else.

The 'woe is me' attitude is so pathetic.

 

[Grahambo]

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Remember, these people forced a man out of a job.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Yup. Pretty much my point. Now, all of a sudden, everyone just so happened to have experienced racism.



This isn't at you IiS, just to that message board post.

I'm sick and tired of that bullshit excuse. Football is a game. Enough with the whole, 'they put their brains on the line for our amusement.' This isn't the fucking Roman gladiators where you were forced to fight to the death. Its a fucking game. If you don't like it, don't want it, too scared to get hurt then don't play. And that's not some macho bullshit either. It's seriously just a game. Much more to life then football. Many have survived just fine without it so if you don't want it then figure out another way to pay for your education like everyone else and lead a perfectly good life doing something else.

The 'woe is me' attitude is so pathetic.

I think I disagree with this, a lot. No current college player is making this claim, but that's kind of the problem. Kids in this country start playing football in grade school and are competing for college scholarships starting at 15 or 16. The negative consequences don't start showing up until the athlete is in their 30's or beyond. The system doesn't really encourage rational decision making with full knowledge.

It's not even a little bit disturbing to you that this game encourages people to get up to 400lbs, that it frequently leads to permanent head injuries? Maybe the trade-off is worth it, but as a fan, I'm certainly worried about the morality of the game.

 

[kmoose]

Yup. Pretty much my point. Now, all of a sudden, everyone just so happened to have experienced racism.



This isn't at you IiS, just to that message board post.

I'm sick and tired of that bullshit excuse. Football is a game. Enough with the whole, 'they put their brains on the line for our amusement.' This isn't the fucking Roman gladiators where you were forced to fight to the death. Its a fucking game. If you don't like it, don't want it, too scared to get hurt then don't play. And that's not some macho bullshit either. It's seriously just a game. Much more to life then football. Many have survived just fine without it so if you don't want it then figure out another way to pay for your education like everyone else and lead a perfectly good life doing something else.

The 'woe is me' attitude is so pathetic.

And another thing............ if football is your only way out of poverty, so you "have to" participate in such a dangerous endeavor in order to escape? GO TO FVCKING CLASS, STUDY, GET YOUR DEGREE, AND STOP SELLING POT TO MAKE ENDS MEET!!

Sorry........ had a "was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" moment there.

 

[IrishinSyria]

And another thing............ if football is your only way out of poverty, so you "have to" participate in such a dangerous endeavor in order to escape? GO TO FVCKING CLASS, STUDY, GET YOUR DEGREE, AND STOP SELLING POT TO MAKE ENDS MEET!!

Sorry........ had a "was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" moment there.

Again, I don't think it's "woe is me" because it's largely fans and sports media asking the questions... maybe former players too, who are just starting to experience the downsides of the game.

I think the gladiatorial games are a good example- they wouldn't be any (or at least, much) less problematic if you could prove that the gladiators loved them, that it provided them with social mobility, etc. The concerns are larger than that- they're about the morality of a society that watches men kill each other for sport. The more we learn about TBI, the more it starts to seem like we have to ask ourselves similar questions about football. It lacks the immediacy, but the damage can be real and permanent.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I wouldn't annoint BYU the bastion of wholesomeness. The Mormon cult is very self-serving.

*Another thread for another time

Also batshit.

 

[Cackalacky]

This has been beat to death but those kids generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. Just the threat of cancelling a game put tons of pressure on the Missouri University System to do something. That is power you can't buy and it's all schools own fault for being leveraged so heavy on a never-ending supply of resources.

And it seems the main complaint is that there were numerous incidents on campus that were reported and the President failed to respond appropriately. There were even faculty preparing to strike as well.

I am not judging here but it seems to me there are several posters here who have claimed anger or dismay at the perceived assault of their Christian religion at the hand of the majority secularists in the past.... interesting the shoe can't be viewed from the other foot.

 

[gkIrish]

Was it the football team or the possibility that a kid would die because of a hunger strike? Or both?

I wouldn't want that "blood" on my hands even if I thought I didn't do anything wrong.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Clearly they believed they had a justifiable reason for doing so. In essence, the Missouri president failed to convey to the black students at Mizzou that he took their concerns about racism seriously.

The job of a university President is not to hold students' hands because somebody said something racist to them. The demands they issued were so extraordinary -mandatory white guilt classes for all students, racial quotas for faculty, etc.- that "taking their concerns seriously" would have required the adoption of unjust and destructive policies.

Who knows if there was actually an unusual amount of racism at Mizzou (though it seems easy enough to believe).

The shrieking racists elected a black student body President.

The story is really about a president's failure to communicate with a group of minority students and the students discovering that they had more leverage than they (or anyone) thought.

We know that plenty of players, including black players, thought the entire thing was ridiculous. Pinkel and the AD today said that there was no desire to get anybody fired. The tweet demanded that the President resign or be fired- did nobody tell Pinkel et al what they were signing up for?

The football players effectively fired the President and Chancellor. Mizzou is a football team with a university attached.

I wouldn't annoint BYU the bastion of wholesomeness. The Mormon cult is very self-serving.

*Another thread for another time

Well, they're good at forming functioning families and communities. In contemporary America that's a considerable achievement.