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Today over one hundred local newspapers have written Editorials today decrying Trump's attacks on the media labeling them as "enemies of the people".

Here's the Boston Globe's (partial):
JOURNALISTS ARE NOT THE ENEMY
A central pillar of President Trump’s politics is a sustained assault on the free press. Journalists are not classified as fellow Americans, but rather “The enemy of the people.” This relentless assault on the free press has dangerous consequences. We asked editorial boards from around the country – liberal and conservative, large and small – to join us today to address this fundamental threat in their own words.

Replacing a free media with a state-run media has always been a first order of business for any corrupt regime taking over a country. Today in the United States we have a president who has created a mantra that members of the media who do not blatantly support the policies of the current U.S. administration are the “enemy of the people.” This is one of the many lies that have been thrown out by this president much like an old-time charlatan threw out “magic” dust or water on a hopeful crowd.

“The liberty of the press is essential to the security of freedom,” wrote John Adams.

For more than two centuries, this foundational American principle has protected journalists at home and served as a model for free nations abroad. Today it is under serious threat. And it sends an alarming signal to despots, from Ankara to Moscow, Beijing to Baghdad, that journalists can be treated as a domestic enemy.

The editorial also contains a map of all the newspapers participating.

Here's the Chicago Tribune's:
Editorial: Mr. President: We aren’t enemies of the people. We’re a check on government.

You may have read that, this week, scores of U.S. newspapers are responding in independently written editorials to President Trump’s many attacks on journalists as enemies — his word — of the American people.

As this became a national news story, we at the Tribune Editorial Board had two choices: We could stay silent and leave you wondering what message to read into that, or we could explain in our own words the dangers the president’s incitement has created. We chose Option 2 even though we generally avoid group editorial efforts.

We haven’t written at length about Trump’s vilification of journalists. Journalism isn’t supposed to be about journalists. But Trump has made us part of news stories so often that we’ll take time to talk with you about that.

Nineteen months ago, Donald Trump swore an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution. One protection in its First Amendment is the stated guarantee of a press free from government dictates, and an implied responsibility for journalists to be a check on that government’s enormous powers.

Rather than defending or at least respecting that guarantee and that responsibility, Trump has escalated from criticism to incitement: At public appearances he demonizes the reporters who cover his speeches and his crowds. He routinely insists that journalists intentionally craft false reports. As he put it in a July speech to a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Kansas City, “Don’t believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. Just remember — what you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.”...

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When they behave the way they are currently behaving.... they are the enemy of the people.
 

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When they behave the way they are currently behaving.... they are the enemy of the people.

Can we assume that with a change towards news that Trump approves of would then not be "Fake News" and that the newspapers then would not be the "enemy of the people"?

With the FCC easing the limitations on the percentage of media owned, the larger corporations will concentrate the news sources that you may read whether you agree with them or not.

The top three corporations by newspaper ownership are New Media, Gannett, and Digital First who have acquired some large, medium and small newspapers over the last decade, totaling 311 newspapers. (2016 statistics)

None of the 145 newspapers New Media owns chose to write an editorial on Trump's attack on the media.
Only two (Indianapolis Star, Des Moines Register) of Gannett's 100 newspapers wrote such an editorial.
None of Digital First's 66 newspapers wrote such an editorial.

That's 309 out of 311 newspapers who did not write an editorial objecting to attacking the independence of the news you read.

Corporate control of the news and editorials? Or are these newspapers not "enemies of the people"?
 
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Can we assume that with a change towards news that Trump approves of would then not be "Fake News" and that the newspapers then would not be the "enemy of the people"?

With the FCC easing the limitations on the percentage of media owned, the larger corporations will concentrate the news sources that you may read whether you agree with them or not.

The top three corporations by newspaper ownership are New Media, Gannett, and Digital First who have acquired some large, medium and small newspapers over the last decade, totaling 311 newspapers. (2016 statistics)

None of the 145 newspapers New Media owns chose to write an editorial on Trump's attack on the media.
Only two (Indianapolis Star, Des Moines Register) of Gannett's 100 newspapers wrote such an editorial.
None of Digital First's 66 newspapers wrote such an editorial.

That's 309 out of 311 newspapers who did not write an editorial objecting to attacking the independence of the news you read.

Corporate control of the news and editorials? Or are these newspapers not "enemies of the people"?

I used to like it better when the press used to at least pretend to be unbiased. I liked it best when they took ALL Presidents to task evenly. But the very best times were when you would get the news...without being told what to think about the news. Ahh...Glory Days!
 

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Op-ed: 'Make the American news media great again'

President Trump’s media criticism sticks all too easily when the public doesn’t get the difference between news and opinion.

“Give us a sense of what is going on here. What does this mean?” I can’t remember the first time I heard a news anchor turn to a network correspondent and ask a question like this, but it was probably in high school, when I first considered broadcast journalism as a career and started watching closely, dreaming of doing live shots outside the White House each night in a stylish trench coat.

Years later, I realize I was observing the outlier, the exceptional moment when a reporter went from communicating facts to “sense” — which could be based his or her opinion, an off-the-record interview, or a conversation between two reporters in the hallway. Whenever the first anchor in television history turned to a reporter and said “Give us a “sense,” the news media started tip-toeing from the already contentious ground of fact-finding right down the slippery slope to analysis. Flash to today and millions of news viewers apparently think a “sense” is all most reporters have. President Donald Trump’s media criticism sticks all too easily when the public doesn’t get the difference between news and opinion.

Let’s be clear: journalists, defined here only as people who go out and get the news, aren’t the “enemy of the people” and they don’t make things up. Our president wrongly and recklessly labels any reports he doesn’t like as “fake news” and crowds cheer him and jeer nearby reporters. But media professionals, cable news in particular, must own their culpability in helping create this mess. When they turn from reporting to analysis, or their networks fill the time in between news reports with talking heads, bloviating “experts,” and panels (talking heads in a Brady Bunch box), they further blur the line.

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The Fox News Channel didn’t invent this format. FOX only proved you could build a brand around it — that talk could be the format that brought in the ratings and the money, with a little news sprinkled in. MSNBC and CNN followed suit, especially when CNN discovered All-Trump-Outrage-All-The-Time was good for business. Let’s not set aside newspapers either, such as The New York Times, that sometimes blur the line with news “analysis” pieces on the front page, or the many digital-only publications with clear points-of-view attached to their “news”.

The net result of this blurring is a public that thinks a “news” channel is what they see on cable, a journalist is a talk show host — pick the one who matches your prejudices — and much of the news is made up. One Axios.com poll recently found 72 percent of Americans believe news media at least sometimes “report news they know to be fake, false or purposely misleading.” For Republicans, it was 92 percent. Granted, news organizations make mistakes and their errors and corrections are usually well-publicized, but it makes no business sense why a legitimate news organization would knowingly publish or broadcast falsehoods.

I join with many who fear what is happening to the perception of the free press. I see charges of “fake news” even on local newspaper or television station social media. I teach potential college journalists who never watch “the news” because they aren’t interested in a bunch of blather, and must start at square one and explain — “that’s not journalism”.

My ivory-tower solution is for journalists to become educators — professors of the process who show their work. Explain how a story is reported and what attribution means — every time. Rather than broadcasting outrage panels or whining journalists after the latest presidential media bashing, news organizations should go back to drawing a hard line between news and opinion, or maybe take the opinion off the air entirely (unlikely-too much money in that banana stand). In other words, assume the worst-case scenario — they don’t believe you anymore — and rebuild that trust, one good story at a time.

It will be a long road back, but defensiveness, dismissiveness, or crying wolf at every #fakenews accusation won’t change a thing. Don’t give us a “sense” of the news, give us the news. In the words of an often-dismissed slogan “You report, we decide.” Make the American news media great again, please.

Randall King is a professor of communication and director, WIWU-TV, Indiana Wesleyan University in Marion.
 

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I find the whole thing funny AF.

-Media is a business. They are not holy crusaders.
-The overwhelming majority of media shows at minimum a medium to high bias
-Fact based reporting has been replaced by opinion based narrative
-Media has become just another component of DC politics
-Media is not reporting to educate, they are spinning narrative specifically to impact your beliefs.
-Ratings are more important than reporting current events. CNN confirmed this when they got busted/taped.
-Media is in constant political outrage. Constant outrage gets old.
-Media attacks on a party or president have never come to this level.


Reporters aren't being silenced. Reporters aren't being arrested. They are throwing punches and whining like little bitches when they get punched back. They need to put on their big boy pants and see themselves for what they really are.
 

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I find the whole thing funny AF.

-Media is a business. They are not holy crusaders.
-The overwhelming majority of media shows at minimum a medium to high bias
-Fact based reporting has been replaced by opinion based narrative
-Media has become just another component of DC politics
-Media is not reporting to educate, they are spinning narrative specifically to impact your beliefs.
-Ratings are more important than reporting current events. CNN confirmed this when they got busted/taped.
-Media is in constant political outrage. Constant outrage gets old.
-Media attacks on a party or president have never come to this level.


Reporters aren't being silenced. Reporters aren't being arrested. They are throwing punches and whining like little bitches when they get punched back. They need to put on their big boy pants and see themselves for what they really are.

This is certainly how it is. I'm just disgusted that it's this way. The press gets a lot of privileges and leeway in order to serve the public by holding our elected officials accountable, acting as the eyes, ears, and voice of the people, and being able to go after the truth and keep the public informed. They're all for enjoying those privileges, but have no interest in the responsibilities that go along with them. They've sunk to being nothing more than ratings whores and propaganda arms of one side or the other. You can find more honesty, character, and integrity in a whore house than a newsroom.
 

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We the people hold our elected officials accountable (Dallas Morning News)

Editor's note: With this editorial, The Dallas Morning News joins more than 200 newspapers across the country that are publishing editorials today on the importance of the First Amendment.

As a candidate and as president of the United States, Donald Trump has waged an unprecedented war of words on the media. He calls the press “amazingly dishonest” and major media outlets such as CNN and The New York Times “fake news.”

If the president sees inaccurate reporting, he should and has the right to call it out and draw attention to the facts. We won’t pretend that every story that has appeared in all of the various outlets that cover the presidency has been without fault. But we also won’t pretend that there isn’t a larger issue at stake here involving a free inquiry by a free press that gets to the very foundation of our republic.

Our Founding Fathers well understood that one effective way to squelch our liberty would be to silence those who — through handbills, printing presses and now digital media — work to hold the powerful accountable by opening to public scrutiny facts about how our society is governed.

As a result, they gave us the First Amendment with the expectation that a free press would arm citizens with facts and that the media would be held accountable by readers (and now a viewing public).

It is no coincidence that this newspaper's best work since its founding in 1885 has been produced by journalists who dared, in one way or another, to shine a light on societal injustices, corruption, the ravages of war, poverty and natural disasters while adhering to bedrock principles of truth and fairness.


As Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black wrote in his concurring opinion in the landmark 1971 Pentagon Papers case, New York Times Co. vs. United States, “In the First Amendment, the Founding Fathers gave the free press the protection it must have to fulfill its essential role in our democracy. The press was to serve the governed, not the governors.”

Trump is, of course, not the first U.S. president to voice his grievances with the media. Presidents from John Adams to Richard Nixon to Barack Obama often scuffled with the press corps.

But in our modern era, no president has as publicly or fundamentally challenged the legitimacy of America’s leading news organizations as the current occupant of the Oval Office. The crucial difference is that rather than taking issue with one story or even a series of stories, the intention seems to be to undermine the credibility of the press as a whole with a large swath of the citizenry.

We see this as dangerous for the simple reason that by diminishing the press, those who hold high office gain a greater ability to govern without the steadying force of public scrutiny. That’s a recipe not for empowering this president, but rather for ensuring that our leaders in Washington fall out of touch with the people and decide that they know better than the people they seek to govern.

Like with so many things, the founding generation dealt with this reality. Alexander Hamilton, a founder of the first order, believed the First Amendment was not necessary and argued against “a declaration that ‘the liberty of the press shall be inviolably preserved.’”

But in the end, James Madison and others insisted on adding a bill of rights to the Constitution — to protect the human rights of individuals against the whims of politicians, be it in 1791 or 1971 or 2018.

What followed through the course of our history has been a grand debate about how far the First Amendment should stretch. And, as with so many facets of our system, where it has settled is decidedly on the side of free and open speech. Even in critical moments, such as with the Pentagon Papers, our system has rejected prior restraint of speech.

As attorney Floyd Abrams, who argued the Pentagon Papers case, told us recently: “The First Amendment is most essential when our leaders are most hostile to freedom of expression.”

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Today, more than 200 years after the First Amendment was ratified, we urge all Americans — regardless of creed, color or political affiliation — to stand up for their First Amendment rights, and to recognize how a free press is fundamental to the continuation of our American experiment in democracy.

At the same time, we should acknowledge that the U.S. serves as a beacon, even in these uncertain times, for freedom in the world. Last year, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists, the number of journalists imprisoned worldwide hit an all-time high of 262.

The fact that none were jailed in the U.S. is testament to the enduring genius of our Bill of Rights. As Abrams recently reminded this newspaper, “We would be far less protected if Hamilton and his allies had prevailed and we had a Constitution with no Bill of Rights.”

Indeed, the “fact that the First Amendment is in writing,” Abrams continued, “that it has been understood from the very beginning to be not a mere aspirational statement but a legal limitation on the government, and that it has become viewed as the centerpiece of the Constitution, provides us all with infinitely more protection against any president who is tempted to strip us of our freedoms.”

There's a reason that Freedom of Speech is the First Amendment and reflective of our Founding Fathers experiences with a monarchy that would suppress that freedom of expression, which is the foundation of American society.

Trump at campaign rally in Fort Worth, October 2016:
"One of the things I'm going to do if I win, and I hope we do and we're certainly leading. I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money. We're going to open up those libel laws. So when The New York Times writes a hit piece which is a total disgrace or when The Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they're totally protected."

The New York Times just dared Donald Trump to sue (Wash Post, Oct 2016)

The New York Times has a message for Donald Trump: Bring it on.

After the Republican presidential nominee threatened to sue over sexual assault allegations made against him in an article published Wednesday night, the Times responded Thursday with a letter daring Trump to go through with a lawsuit.

"We did what the law allows," an attorney for the Times wrote. "We published newsworthy information about a subject of deep public concern. If Mr. Trump disagrees, if he believes that American citizens had no right to hear what these women had to say and that the law of this country forces us and those who would criticize him to stand silent or be punished, we welcome the opportunity to have a court set him straight."

You wouldn't want IE to eliminate those comments that you disagreed with, would you?

In other news, Trump's military parade of armaments similar to those in Russia, North Korea, China and France has been put off by the Pentagon until 2019. The last such parade was in 1991 at the end of the Gulf War. The cost is estimated to be $92 million.
 
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This is certainly how it is. I'm just disgusted that it's this way. The press gets a lot of privileges and leeway in order to serve the public by holding our elected officials accountable, acting as the eyes, ears, and voice of the people, and being able to go after the truth and keep the public informed. They're all for enjoying those privileges, but have no interest in the responsibilities that go along with them. They've sunk to being nothing more than ratings whores and propaganda arms of one side or the other. You can find more honesty, character, and integrity in a whore house than a newsroom.

One poll, I think Gallup, shows only 35ish percent of people trust the media.
The poll results were flip flopped in the 70s (with 60-70 percent trusting the media), and has tilted the other way since. Neither party trust the media.

They can't blame all of this lack of confidence on Trump. He's just the latest excuse to be a victim too.
 

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You can find more honesty, character, and integrity in a whore house than a newsroom.

I've nothing against prostitutes. It's a reasonably honest trade. But if you're going to make that comparison, I'm curious, how much time have you spent in newsrooms? How many journalists do you actually know?
 

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I've nothing against prostitutes. It's a reasonably honest trade. But if you're going to make that comparison, I'm curious, how much time have you spent in newsrooms? How many journalists do you actually know?

lol... does one need to personally know politicians or spend time in the State House to know DC is full of shitbags?
 

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I've nothing against prostitutes. It's a reasonably honest trade. But if you're going to make that comparison, I'm curious, how much time have you spent in newsrooms? How many journalists do you actually know?

Actually, I know a few. My sister was a news producer for CBS for more than a decade. She finally quit, went back to grad school, and changed careers over the very things many of us complain about regarding the news media: willful dishonesty, ratings over integrity, spewing propaganda instead of reporting the news, and slanting every story or choosing which stories to report or not according to their agenda. I have another friend who left the news and went into sports journalism for the same reasons.


As YJ pointed out in the Gallup Poll he referred to, our news media was once respected and trusted. No longer. They love the right they have to be a free press, but have turned their backs on the responsibility that comes with that. We all want a free press. We also want one that's fair, unbiased, and honest in how and what they present to us.


Imagine how you'd feel if ND was playing USC and all but one of the officials on the field and in the replay booth were avid USC fans, USC grads, or had sons who played for USC... and they were calling every ticky-tack foul on ND and letting USC get away with murder. That's how a lot of us feel about the media today. We don't want the news media to call it all our way. We want them to be honest, fair and unbiased, and just report the news accurately. That they don't is why they're under attack, being called out, and are so reviled.
 

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Actually, I know a few. My sister was a news producer for CBS for more than a decade. She finally quit, went back to grad school, and changed careers over the very things many of us complain about regarding the news media: willful dishonesty, ratings over integrity, spewing propaganda instead of reporting the news, and slanting every story or choosing which stories to report or not according to their agenda. I have another friend who left the news and went into sports journalism for the same reasons.


As YJ pointed out in the Gallup Poll he referred to, our news media was once respected and trusted. No longer. They love the right they have to be a free press, but have turned their backs on the responsibility that comes with that. We all want a free press. We also want one that's fair, unbiased, and honest in how and what they present to us.


Imagine how you'd feel if ND was playing USC and all but one of the officials on the field and in the replay booth were avid USC fans, USC grads, or had sons who played for USC... and they were calling every ticky-tack foul on ND and letting USC get away with murder. That's how a lot of us feel about the media today. We don't want the news media to call it all our way. We want them to be honest, fair and unbiased, and just report the news accurately. That they don't is why they're under attack, being called out, and are so reviled.

Before I moved to ATL, I hung with a few Colts players in the early/mid 90s, and got to be friends with a few reporters who were always "around". One of them was pretty cool, and I'd hang out with him and other reporters and various paper and tv guys (not just sports) at Jackson Street and few other places.

They were an interesting bunch. For the most part, general news did not interest them. It was all about finding dirt, or finding a good conspiracy or rumor. And it was obvious they did not trust each other which made for interesting evenings... What really got me, was their lack of caring for anyone they reported on. They didn't give a shit about anyone, just something to get them a headline. The guy I got to be friends with, was actually loved by the players because he was honest... He soon bolted like your sister for many of the same reasons. Not sure what happened to him though.
 

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Actually, I know a few. My sister was a news producer for CBS for more than a decade. She finally quit, went back to grad school, and changed careers over the very things many of us complain about regarding the news media: willful dishonesty, ratings over integrity, spewing propaganda instead of reporting the news, and slanting every story or choosing which stories to report or not according to their agenda. I have another friend who left the news and went into sports journalism for the same reasons.

OK. I'm sorry your sister felt that way. I can't speak to network TV, but I've worked with and around journalists - primarily local newspaper reporters - for almost 20 years. I know lots of them. There are a few jerks, as I think you'd find in any profession, the willfully dishonest headline chasers you all seem to despise. I can't disagree with you on that. And, as a class of people, they are nosy gossip traders, that's why they became reporters. Also most, but by no means all, are liberal/progressive in their personal politics, and of course that colors their view of the world. Conservatives who think everything is just peachy don't tend to go into that line of work.

But also, they tend to be people who are committed to their communities. Why else would you sit through tedious town council meetings week after week unless you thought someone should bear witness to what they're doing? They believe in facts and the truth and the responsibility to report accurately. Those things are drilled deep. They firmly believe that telling the stories of whatever city/town they live in, and asking hard questions of those places, will help make it a better place. And when it comes to politics and dirt, they tend to care less about the letter after a politician's name than the wrong that politician is doing. Just ask any number of Democratic mayors, Governors, Senators who have been taken down by their local newspaper. Fundamentally they're after a story, and the truth, not any particular political agenda.

I would agree that cable news - particularly the talking head shows - is a different animal. It is more entertainment than journalism at this point, on both sides of the spectrum. But that's not what most journalists do. And most journalists are no more "enemies of the people" than teachers or social workers or the coach of your kid's Little League team. In many ways they're the same people.
 

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I think this entire media scenario is blown out of portion. Trump whines because he is thin skinned and is use to getting/dictating how things are going to be. On the other side, the media has lowered themselves and jumped into the fray whining about Trump. Both need to shut up and do their job.
 

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Some thoughts after looking through this thread:

1) In most cases, those who scream about media bias are the ones least likely to actually handle real reporting and facts.

2) To build off the above, media bias has become a unifying topic for those considerably to the right. It's a central tenet of supporting Trump, and he spends an inordinate amount of time struggling with it.

3) I don't believe those on the right truly want an unbiased media. It takes up too much of their political beliefs and gives them an enemy and easy target. Trump never could've been elected otherwise.

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4) What they do want--and this thread is clear evidence--is to equate anything in the middle of this chart with the places on the bottom right. By any objective measure, Fox News is far more biased than CNN and yet through reading this thread you'd think it's the exact opposite. Someone literally chuckled at comparing CNN to Breibart.

5) I'd point out that this thread has contained a lot of shared links to stories, many of them from traditional news sources either from the top of the chart, slightly left, or from Fox News. However, there's also been links to Twitchy, The Blaze, and Zero Hedge--all right-wing or conspiratorial sites with no left-wing equivalent in this thread. Not one word was spent on the most biased links that were shared here.

As someone slightly right of center the media bias topic is really depressing these days. It's not that hard to do your homework on the media and sort through the BS. Too often, media bias is used as a crutch to avoid debating facts, it was bad enough in the 90's when this movement began to collect steam, now it's become a full on roid-rage.

There's still tons of great reporting out there and media holding the government to account. Media bias is a very, very small problem compared to the people who scream 'fake news' at legitimate reporting and investigations, so that the charade of building a core political belief around media bias can continue. It's a viscous circle that for many they will not escape from. It shouldn't be that hard to ignore the fringe and focus on the legitimate reporting. Instead, it's easier to call the press the 'enemy of the people' and continue making the problem they claim to want gone worse than ever.
 
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Media bias was a major issue long before Trump ran for president. Several polls and researches have consistently shown that for the past few decades about 90-95% of all journalists identify as Dems or lean left in the politics. It has a huge effect on how they report the news and on which stories they report.
 

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Media bias was a major issue long before Trump ran for president. Several polls and researches have consistently shown that for the past few decades about 90-95% of all journalists identify as Dems or lean left in the politics. It has a huge effect on how they report the news and on which stories they report.

1. Excellent post by Rocket89. More than fair points and good observations.
2. The breakdown in the image posted of the "Media" shows how diverse as well as a degree of bias.
3. Not to pick on Bishop, but I personally prefer - and we expect this of journalists - links to such "90-95% of all journalists are Dems or left-leaning". Another comment I would have preferred to see the reference to is "One poll, I think Gallup, shows only 35ish percent of people trust the media. The poll results were flip flopped in the 70s (with 60-70 percent trusting the media), and has tilted the other way since. Neither party trust the media." Maybe those stats are accurate, maybe not. Otherwise, one is guilty of what one may be criticizing.
4. The Internet - social media is more of a factor in disinformation today as more people get their "news" from that. The Russians recognized that fact which is not Fake News.
5. Getting specific about who and what "The Media" is begins to break down politicized stereotypes. Mainstream media, regional news orgs like the Chicago Tribune, LA Times, Dallas Morning News, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, etc, medium to small media limited to state or local reach, business or economic media. So many of these provide necessary coverage with insight into vital issues and won Pulitzer Prizes for their coverage of disasters, opioid crisis, mass shootings or killings, immigration, sex abuse of women, environmental or health issues, etc. (2018 PP winners)
6. Americans are the ultimate judges. One does oneself and others a disservice in general statements about bias which imply undue influence. I would always err on the side of more information, more facts, more reporting based on verifiable multiple sources.
7. Defending First Amendment rights is not only to protect what is written, said, and published, but, and maybe more importantly, to give Americans freedoms to access information and opinions without direct or indirect government influence. I previously linked Jeff Flake's speech, addressing Trump's use of "enemy of the people"
“It is a testament to the condition of our democracy that our own president uses words infamously spoken by Josef Stalin to describe his enemies. It bears noting that so fraught with malice was the phrase ‘enemy of the people,’ that even Nikita Khrushchev forbade its use, telling the Soviet Communist Party that the phrase had been introduced by Stalin for the purpose of ‘annihilating such individuals’ who disagreed with the supreme leader.”
 
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Legacy, here are just a few links I found when I searched for how journalists vote. All are rather well-written and worth the read.

Media Bias Basics

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...han-even-a-decade-ago/?utm_term=.a9b366cc2035

https://freebeacon.com/issues/no-white-house-reporter-republican/

https://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/18/us/increasingly-reporters-say-they-re-democrats.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/8/republicans-media-bias-claims-boosted-by-scarcity-/

As to social media becoming as much of an opinion former as traditional news, that's true and it's also full of extraordinary bias. The NYT hired Sarah Jeong to its editorial board despite some extremely racist anti-White tweets from her, which Twitter had let stand. When someone spoofed them and substituted other ethnic groups' names, her account got suspended.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/5/candace-owens-mimics-sarah-jeong-gets-suspended-tw/

Facebook, Instagram and other social media platforms have been caught multiple times allowing racist or demeaning attacks on straights, Whites, men, etc., but quickly suspending accounts where the target was a "preferred or protected" group. Google has also been exposed multiple times for manipulating search results to push a political agenda.


On a personal level, I recently responded to a Quora poster who was advocating violence and harassment against a Republican senator. My reply couldn't have been more civil as I simply said I disagreed with her stance and felt that being opposed to a politician's positions didn't give anyone the right to harass and threaten them. She reported my comment to Quora and they removed it, saying it violated their "Be nice" policy (apparently disagreeing with that type of person's opinion is mean). When I protested and asked what wasn't nice & civil about my reply and pointed out that her comment advocating violence had been left standing, they refused to answer. If anything, social media is more biased and hypocritical than our mainstream media.
 
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FYI... recently came thru that the judge in the Manafort case denied a motion from CNN & Buzzfeed (among others) to release the names and addresses of the jurors.

In doing so he stated that he has received threats and has US Marshal protection currently.

Honestly, who thinks that would be a good idea?
 

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Some thoughts after looking through this thread:

1) In most cases, those who scream about media bias are the ones least likely to actually handle real reporting and facts.

2) To build off the above, media bias has become a unifying topic for those considerably to the right. It's a central tenet of supporting Trump, and he spends an inordinate amount of time struggling with it.

3) I don't believe those on the right truly want an unbiased media. It takes up too much of their political beliefs and gives them an enemy and easy target. Trump never could've been elected otherwise.

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4) What they do want--and this thread is clear evidence--is to equate anything in the middle of this chart with the places on the bottom right. By any objective measure, Fox News is far more biased than CNN and yet through reading this thread you'd think it's the exact opposite. Someone literally chuckled at comparing CNN to Breibart.

5) I'd point out that this thread has contained a lot of shared links to stories, many of them from traditional news sources either from the top of the chart, slightly left, or from Fox News. However, there's also been links to Twitchy, The Blaze, and Zero Hedge--all right-wing or conspiratorial sites with no left-wing equivalent in this thread. Not one word was spent on the most biased links that were shared here.

As someone slightly right of center the media bias topic is really depressing these days. It's not that hard to do your homework on the media and sort through the BS. Too often, media bias is used as a crutch to avoid debating facts, it was bad enough in the 90's when this movement began to collect steam, now it's become a full on roid-rage.

There's still tons of great reporting out there and media holding the government to account. Media bias is a very, very small problem compared to the people who scream 'fake news' at legitimate reporting and investigations, so that the charade of building a core political belief around media bias can continue. It's a viscous circle that for many they will not escape from. It shouldn't be that hard to ignore the fringe and focus on the legitimate reporting. Instead, it's easier to call the press the 'enemy of the people' and continue making the problem they claim to want gone worse than ever.

Both the left and the right prefer to censor opposition so I agree with the bold above. I just can't figure out why right wing commentators like Alex Jones and right wing political dissidents on social media platforms are being censored, banned, de-platformed while nobody on the left is facing the same given that the "right" is in control of every branch of the federal government. Why do you think they allow this to happen given the power they currently hold?

Why does the establishment media support the censorship? Shouldn't they be opposing censorship given their commitment to "free speech"?
 

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None of those links back up this claim, though:

"Several polls and researches have consistently shown that for the past few decades about 90-95% of all journalists identify as Dems or lean left in the politics."

Many journalists leaning left isn't exactly breaking news.
 

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Legacy, here are just a few links I found when I searched for how journalists vote. All are rather well-written and worth the read.

Media Bias Basics

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...han-even-a-decade-ago/?utm_term=.a9b366cc2035

https://freebeacon.com/issues/no-white-house-reporter-republican/

https://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/18/us/increasingly-reporters-say-they-re-democrats.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/8/republicans-media-bias-claims-boosted-by-scarcity-/

As to social media becoming as much of an opinion former as traditional news, that's true and it's also full of extraordinary bias. The NYT hired Sarah Jeong to its editorial board despite some extremely racist anti-White tweets from her, which Twitter had let stand. When someone spoofed them and substituted other ethnic groups' names, her account got suspended.
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What I took from those four stories (two of which are from outlets well-known to lean right, especially Free Beacon), was that while registered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans, a large and growing majority of American journalists are registered independents, and that many White House reporters - and probably other DC political reporters, don’t vote at all (which may be a good thing when you think about the influence of confirmation bias).

Of course, there’s a difference between your party registration and your political leanings, and I’d agree a majority of journalists lean liberal in their personal views (and even many of those who lean conservative don’t have much use for Trump). But it’s also a sign that they value independence over partisanship, and act like professionals.

Also the notion that reporters are handmaids of the Democratic Party would not be shared by, for instance, the Obama Administration, which battled the press on all kinds of issues - though not like Trump. The difference is that Obama (and Bush before him) also respected the benefits of a free press, while Trump seems to view journalists as a threat and a useful foil to rally his base.
 

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pretty much every single post in the last two days in this thread had at least one statement that made me:

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I'd submit we are ALL just seeing, hearing, deducing what we want...
 

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Both the left and the right prefer to censor opposition so I agree with the bold above. I just can't figure out why right wing commentators like Alex Jones and right wing political dissidents on social media platforms are being censored, banned, de-platformed while nobody on the left is facing the same given that the "right" is in control of every branch of the federal government. Why do you think they allow this to happen given the power they currently hold?

Why does the establishment media support the censorship? Shouldn't they be opposing censorship given their commitment to "free speech"?

It's a tough question, for sure. Censorship and free speech are never going to be topics everyone agrees upon.

I'd ask another question, with so much time spent on the liberal leaning mainstream media why has the alt-right, conspiracy community become so aggressive in recent years? Who is the left-wing equivalent to Alex Jones and how popular are they? I'd think those answers would likely address most of your questions.
 

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What I took from those four stories (two of which are from outlets well-known to lean right, especially Free Beacon), was that while registered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans, a large and growing majority of American journalists are registered independents, and that many White House reporters - and probably other DC political reporters, don’t vote at all (which may be a good thing when you think about the influence of confirmation bias).

Of course, there’s a difference between your party registration and your political leanings, and I’d agree a majority of journalists lean liberal in their personal views (and even many of those who lean conservative don’t have much use for Trump). But it’s also a sign that they value independence over partisanship, and act like professionals.

Also the notion that reporters are handmaids of the Democratic Party would not be shared by, for instance, the Obama Administration, which battled the press on all kinds of issues - though not like Trump. The difference is that Obama (and Bush before him) also respected the benefits of a free press, while Trump seems to view journalists as a threat and a useful foil to rally his base.

Yeah, all Obama did was have his DOJ subpoena the phone records at the AP and put James Rosen under criminal investigation so they can gain access to his personal email and phone records. Respect.

Wikileaks exposed several of these journalist hacks emailing Podesta to clear an article before print. One of them, if I recall correctly, called himself a hack. This is what was found in John Podesta's email. Imagine if we searched them all.

These people are propagandists. All of them. Left and right.
 

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Yeah, all Obama did was have his DOJ subpoena the phone records at the AP and put James Rosen under criminal investigation so they can gain access to his personal email and phone records. Respect.

Wikileaks exposed several of these journalist hacks emailing Podesta to clear an article before print. One of them, if I recall correctly, called himself a hack. This is what was found in John Podesta's email. Imagine if we searched them all.

These people are propagandists. All of them. Left and right.

We also had the IRS going after conservative groups under Obama. The Obama admin was just smoother and more polished about the shit they did.

NY AGs continue to go after anything on the right.
 

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It's a tough question, for sure. Censorship and free speech are never going to be topics everyone agrees upon.

I'd ask another question, with so much time spent on the liberal leaning mainstream media why has the alt-right, conspiracy community become so aggressive in recent
years?

Many reasons. Mainly cultural and economic decline. It's exposing neo-liberalism and people are looking for an alternative. The explicit anti white male narrative on Twitter with the blue checks and the msm is pushing hordes of young whites into the open arms of the alt right too.

Who is the left-wing equivalent to Alex Jones and how popular are they? I'd think those answers would likely address most of your questions.


I don't know, to be honest. I have only watched Alex Jones on clips that mock his over the top behavior. Maybe The Young Turks would be the equivalent. I don't watch them either, though. Maybe they're only similar to the extent they have a lot of subscribers on youtube.

There's loads of left leaning hatred online and nobody is censored. Really doesn't answer my questions.
 
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What I took from those four stories (two of which are from outlets well-known to lean right, especially Free Beacon)...

Did you notice that one was from WAPO and another from the NYT? The majority of the mainstream media journalists are Dems and/or lean strongly to the left. It impacts their coverage of the news. A lot of us just want an unbiased, honest, accurate reporting of the news.
 

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Did you notice that one was from WAPO and another from the NYT? The majority of the mainstream media journalists are Dems and/or lean strongly to the left. It impacts their coverage of the news. A lot of us just want an unbiased, honest, accurate reporting of the news.

The NYT story was like 30 years old. The WaPo story said 28 percent of surveyed journalists are registered Democrats, and a majority are independents. Those were the first words of the story.

Either way, journalists are not monks. They have personal beliefs. The good ones - and there are many - know how to be professional and deliver the honest, accurate reporting you’re talking about. And even if they are Democrats with a capital D, that does not make them “enemies of the people.”
 
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