'12 VA S C.J. Prosise (Notre Dame Signed LOI)
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greyhammer90
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Its hard to argue speed, but vision? Prosise has often missed holes this year. Folston's entire running style is that if you give him a small amount of space, he'll get 3-5 yards out of it.
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Agreed. Can't arm tackle CJ. And, he can can go from contact to full speed in an instant.
Uh, how many games has Prosise played at RB in college?
And, including HS?
He's still learning to be a RB.
He was 5th in the nation before UMass.
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Prosise's 600 yards on 74 carries is an 8.1 average. Breaking a 95-year old record would be kinda cool.
Prosise's 600 yards on 74 carries is an 8.1 average. Breaking a 95-year old record would be kinda cool.
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So? The point is that he has still missed holes. Nothing he said was incorrect.
No, his point was that he missed holes frequently. IF that was true Posise wouldn't be a Top 5 rusher.
If he had said "sometimes" or "occasionally" he might have been correct.
Prosise only has 74 carries, how many of those missed the hole?
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This dude is morphing in Ricky Watters before our eyes.
The way he runs upright gliding behind blockers then effortlessly pulls away from people.
Ricky was also a RB/WR combo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJnOhgxv0j4
The way he runs upright gliding behind blockers then effortlessly pulls away from people.
Ricky was also a RB/WR combo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJnOhgxv0j4
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Good comparison. I liken him to Vegas Ferguson. Ricky was similar to Vegas.
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Yup. Wasn't Jonas Gray giving that record a scare for a minute in 2011?
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Can't a guy defend one ND player without insulting another? He said Prosise has better vision... I think that's really hard to say seeing that Prosise has missed running lanes several times this year and Folston has made a career out of using his vision and quick-twitch jukes to get 7 yards where I would have sworn there were only 2. Prosise undoubtedly has more speed, and he's been a stud for us, but I think definitively saying that he has better vision is wishful thinking.
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One of the top 3 RB's in the country.
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I like the comparison of Prosise to Watters for two reasons. First, it is dead on. Second, if Lou had utilized Ricky to the best of his abilities, those ND teams would have been even better.
So now we have a chance to grade the coaching staff as well as Prosise on his performance.
I don't understand how anyone can speak for certainty about what a kid who has started only his third game at running back (EVER) is or is not doing correctly, when he is dominating against D1 competition to the tune of being one of the top three or four running backs in the nation, (with the idea that those above him each have a game against lower division opponents.)
If that is correct, and the case, I hope he goes on missing holes or whatever it is that he is doing wrong!
PS. : And oh yeah, I was a fan of all three kids at the top of the roster last year; Cam, Greg, and Tarean were it in my book. But this year the three that are now at the top are hands down better! Even with one real game Dexter Williams is going to be a catastrophe in short yardage for defenses. And Josh Adams is a thoroughbred! Compare his freshman stats to any runners in ND history and tell me what kind of start he got out of the gate!
So now we have a chance to grade the coaching staff as well as Prosise on his performance.
I don't understand how anyone can speak for certainty about what a kid who has started only his third game at running back (EVER) is or is not doing correctly, when he is dominating against D1 competition to the tune of being one of the top three or four running backs in the nation, (with the idea that those above him each have a game against lower division opponents.)
If that is correct, and the case, I hope he goes on missing holes or whatever it is that he is doing wrong!
PS. : And oh yeah, I was a fan of all three kids at the top of the roster last year; Cam, Greg, and Tarean were it in my book. But this year the three that are now at the top are hands down better! Even with one real game Dexter Williams is going to be a catastrophe in short yardage for defenses. And Josh Adams is a thoroughbred! Compare his freshman stats to any runners in ND history and tell me what kind of start he got out of the gate!
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He looks, to me, like Demarco Murray did last year in Dallas.
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Folston has the best vision of any running back I've ever seen at nd. He's not very fast, and he's not very powerful, but his vision is excellent.
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I'm a huge CJ Prosise guy but IMO he's not there yet. He is still only four games into his career at running back but he's not there yet. I mean Fournette is in a category all by himself. If he runs like he's been running against USC and Clemson then let's throw him in with Henry, Elliot and Cook but I don't think he's with Chubb and Fournette quite yet.
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Man the kool-aid has been flowing on IE recently. I love me some C.J. but he is not anywhere near Fournette. I mean Fournette plays on a team that can't complete a forward pass at all and he still runs over people for 200+ yards. As a Viking fan he reminds of AP circa 2012 when we had Ponder throwing for 55 yards and teams just stacking 10 in the box but AP was still going off.
Agreed, he's not anywhere near Chubb either. CJ is running great with great vision but that O line is dominate as well. Could you imagine Cook, Chubb or Fournette behind that line? Lordy, let CJ run more than four games before we continue this talk
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I like CJ Prosise. He is his own player, not like anyone else I've seen that I can recall. He seems like a superior "animal force" who doesn't have [yet] the fineries of a lifetime running back, but is already a rather awesome force. He doesn't gain yards every play, but the OLine cannot block enough folks every play either. He doesn't gain yards every play, but I've seen Fournette get stopped at times also ... or Peterson ... to say nothing of someone like Barry Sanders who was stopped for losses or no gains in painfully regular occurrences.
What's the point? To me is: does our guy get the job done? Define "getting the job done": does he gain a bunch of yards? Yep. Is he a threat such that the DC of the opponents has to game plan against him? Yep. Does he convert reasonable third downs, often by his power when all seems in doubt? Yep. Does he score points? Yep. Does he represent a legitimate pass-catching threat out of the backfield. Oh yes. Can he be lined up in a large variety of positions and still threaten the opponent? Yep.
I wonder what we want out of our guy. His array of production is nearly beyond belief especially for such a "rookie" college back. I'm not sure that I'd take anyone else in that spot given his obvious growth potential on top of his actual excellence.
What I want out of CJ the rest of the season? Health. That's all.
What's the point? To me is: does our guy get the job done? Define "getting the job done": does he gain a bunch of yards? Yep. Is he a threat such that the DC of the opponents has to game plan against him? Yep. Does he convert reasonable third downs, often by his power when all seems in doubt? Yep. Does he score points? Yep. Does he represent a legitimate pass-catching threat out of the backfield. Oh yes. Can he be lined up in a large variety of positions and still threaten the opponent? Yep.
I wonder what we want out of our guy. His array of production is nearly beyond belief especially for such a "rookie" college back. I'm not sure that I'd take anyone else in that spot given his obvious growth potential on top of his actual excellence.
What I want out of CJ the rest of the season? Health. That's all.
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Very Frank Gore of him.
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I mostly agree... but Fournette has had the benefit of playing terrible defenses so far (two of them being SEC which gives people the impression they must be good). NOT saying Prosise is as good as Fournette, but I think he would be performing almost the same in that situation. Fournette has as many carries in 3 games and Prosise has in 4, and per carry they are putting up almost the same numbers.
Call me a hater, but the SEC showed last bowl season that they are beyond terrible against the run. Their accepted defensive prowess is strictly a product of their own offensive ineptitude, not the other way around. Fournette will run ALL OVER them this year, but Prosise would (and did) too.
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Fournette is big and strong and fast, but IMO lacks a lot of running back skills and has mediocre lateral movement. In what I've seen of him, he gets stuffed a lot at the LOS and even takes a lot of TFL's. What makes him dangerous is that a the second level in stride, he's too big for a DB to take down (even linebackers a lot of the time) and too fast for the linebackers, which is why he has so many long runs. Even in his "breakout" game against us, a huge portion of the yardage he got against us were long runs where he ran virtually straight ahead, helped by huge holes by the LSU O-line.
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Who doesn't see CJ as better after first contact than Fournette? What do you all think?
I believe the program insiders. CJ is a 230 lb 4.4 flat forty guy, that has one or two extra gears. On his long runs, he never loses a step.
He is really hard to bring down. Not the hardest, but specifically, I haven't seen Leonard show that kind of brolic.
Also, I didn't think about it per se, but Leonard is a little short on lateral movement skills; and CJ sure isn't!
And excellent point, Classic! Reps, sir! (on the counter comparison of LF and CJ.)
I believe the program insiders. CJ is a 230 lb 4.4 flat forty guy, that has one or two extra gears. On his long runs, he never loses a step.
He is really hard to bring down. Not the hardest, but specifically, I haven't seen Leonard show that kind of brolic.
Also, I didn't think about it per se, but Leonard is a little short on lateral movement skills; and CJ sure isn't!
And excellent point, Classic! Reps, sir! (on the counter comparison of LF and CJ.)
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You guys really comparing Prosise to Fournette? Prosise is good at breaking arm tackles, Fournette is good at breaking through brick walls. I love Prosise but some you are drinking spiked kool aid. I like the comparison to last years demarco Murray. Good but not elite back fitting perfectly into an system that allows him to put up elite number.
And if Prosise is a high draft pick, and I mean like 3rd round high it'll be more due to his versatility. The guy did put up 500+ yards last year at wideout. Though for some reason this team refuses to throw to backs out of the backfield I think he has like 2 catches or something.
And if Prosise is a high draft pick, and I mean like 3rd round high it'll be more due to his versatility. The guy did put up 500+ yards last year at wideout. Though for some reason this team refuses to throw to backs out of the backfield I think he has like 2 catches or something.
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Seriously. Fournette is one of the best tailbacks we've seen in ever.