'12 VA S C.J. Prosise (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[NDPhilly]

You guys really comparing Prosise to Fournette? Prosise is good at breaking arm tackles, Fournette is good at breaking through brick walls. I love Prosise but some you are drinking spiked kool aid. I like the comparison to last years demarco Murray. Good but not elite back fitting perfectly into an system that allows him to put up elite number.

And if Prosise is a high draft pick, and I mean like 3rd round high it'll be more due to his versatility. The guy did put up 500+ yards last year at wideout. Though for some reason this team refuses to throw to backs out of the backfield I think he has like 2 catches or something.

hey don't say that

 

[ACamp1900]

In what ways does he remind you of Bush??

 

[Grahambo]

I got Prosise as a mid-round pick this year. Very limited experience as a RB and has run against suspect D's thus far. Need more and need it against better competition.

 

[domerdude]

Running style, explosive ability, ability to break through first line and make a guy miss in space. Every time I watched the ball find him, I feared he could take it to the house. CJ doesn't get overused like Bush did, (return game) but both are playing college ball behind talented O lines. Both run upright...

 

[Irish Insanity]

Running style, explosive ability, ability to break through first line and make a guy miss in space. Every time I watched the ball find him, I feared he could take it to the house. CJ doesn't get overused like Bush did, (return game) but both are playing college ball behind talented O lines. Both run upright...

But how well does he push his QB in to the endzone?

 

[domerdude]

Truth, I was at that game. Most deflating moment of my fan career.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Seriously. Fournette is one of the best tailbacks we've seen in ever.

Yes. The AP comparison is APT. Dude is cut from a single block of steel. I love our players but Fournette may have already hit 1k behind our line. Prosise has been an incredible surprise and may be one of the better tailbacks we've had since Kelly has been here, he may move higher than that. But we are 4 games into his first season at RB and we're throwing superlatives around like: Reggie Bush and Fournette.

Let's see what we do against the better defenses on our schedule.

This may be sacrilege, but does anyone see a comparison of Reggie Bush?

No. Not at all. Very different movements and athletic attributes (running style especially)

 

[Irish#1]

Denson

He did say "that he's ever seen", but you can add Pinkett and Ferguson to the list with Denson and CJ when you mention vision.

 

[SoIll]

This may be sacrilege, but does anyone see a comparison of Reggie Bush?

I agree. Not saying he is as good as Reggie was, but just by comparing by the way the 2 run. Very similar running styles.

 

[theclassickiller]

You guys really comparing Prosise to Fournette? Prosise is good at breaking arm tackles, Fournette is good at breaking through brick walls. I love Prosise but some you are drinking spiked kool aid. I like the comparison to last years demarco Murray. Good but not elite back fitting perfectly into an system that allows him to put up elite number.

And if Prosise is a high draft pick, and I mean like 3rd round high it'll be more due to his versatility. The guy did put up 500+ yards last year at wideout. Though for some reason this team refuses to throw to backs out of the backfield I think he has like 2 catches or something.

I disagree with that. Fournette is strong, but he got this reputation for running through brick walls from one truck last year. Other than that he breaks arm tackles. The Auburn tackler he shrugged off two weeks ago would've fallen off of Tommy Rees. That dude doesn't deserve to see the field after that piss-poor attempt at tackling.

Here's Shumate hitting Fournette in the endzone:

https://youtu.be/XboroWtVEMI?t=3m15s

Here's Prosise going into the endzone against UMass:

https://youtu.be/T3afbWJ5ufQ?t=4s

Prosise is a big body. Don't act like he couldn't truck someone in poor position like Fournette.

Also... again I'm not saying Prosise is better, just defending him against those who think Fournette is WAY better.

 

[irishfan]

I've posted this before, but IMO he looks like AP when he gets through the hole. In no way does he run as hard or shed tacklers that way, but once he gets to the second level I think he looks like an AP clone. There are no wasted movements when he runs, and there's time he will bounce it outside and pick up about 7-8 more yards than you would think possible due to his acceleration.

 

[phillyirish]

I disagree with that. Fournette is strong, but he got this reputation for running through brick walls from one truck last year. Other than that he breaks arm tackles. The Auburn tackler he shrugged off two weeks ago would've fallen off of Tommy Rees. That dude doesn't deserve to see the field after that piss-poor attempt at tackling.

Here's Shumate hitting Fournette in the endzone:

https://youtu.be/XboroWtVEMI?t=3m15s

Here's Prosise going into the endzone against UMass:

https://youtu.be/T3afbWJ5ufQ?t=4s

Prosise is a big body. Don't act like he couldn't truck someone in poor position like Fournette.

Also... again I'm not saying Prosise is better, just defending him against those who think Fournette is WAY better.

Totally different scenarios. CJ is colliding with a defender to break into the plane of the endzone, obviously hes gotta truck it there. Shumate hit Fornette after he scored and let up raising his body and down. Good hit by Shumate but it was unwarranted and borderline late hit.

 

[EuropeanDomer22]

C.J. Prosise is the real deal

Take a look at these two running backs through four games:

RB 1 – 600 yards, 184 yards after contact, 25 first downs, six TDs, 20 missed tackles

RB 2 – 450 yards, 173 yards after contact, 23 first downs, five TDs, 13 missed tackles

Any way you slice it, these are two dominant running backs. RB2 entered the season as a heavy Heisman favorite and a household name to college football fans (Ohio State’s Ezekiel Elliott). RB1 is a former wide receiver turned backup running back turned starter just three weeks ago (C.J. Prosise).

certainly luck involved in college football, and it’s fair to say the Irish coaching staff lucked into Prosise. Statistically, he’s been among the most dominant rushers in the nation, far exceeding expectations for Tarean Folston, let alone expectations for himself.


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[ulukinatme]

I don't see the Reggie Bush comparison. Go back and watch some of Reggie's highlights. While both players have great speed, I think CJ is more of a hard nosed runner with great speed while Bush was always a very elusive back. When Bush got players one on one in space he had that stutter step and then would cut and burn you. CJ hits the hole and he doesn't really stop till contact, and once he does get contact he's fighting for extra yards. That's not to say CJ won't get a little lateral to find open space, but he generally isn't stopping for anything once the ball touches his hands, he does much less dancing than Reggie.

If you can hold down your lunch, watch this below video. In just about every highlight Bush employs his shifty stutter step or puts some other move on the defense to elude them. The few times he doesn't dance a bit is when he has the break-away speed to just blow by defenders and avoid them completely.

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[theclassickiller]

Totally different scenarios. CJ is colliding with a defender to break into the plane of the endzone, obviously hes gotta truck it there. Shumate hit Fornette after he scored and let up raising his body and down. Good hit by Shumate but it was unwarranted and borderline late hit.

My point was CJ's big body absolutely lit that defender up. Fournette lowered his shoulder and Shumate still forced him to change directions. God-forbid CJ starts getting into "trucking" mode as we can't absorb his loss, but I have no doubt he could.

The only thing to do is line them up head-on and see who wins...

 

[ACamp1900]

Bush was a totally different type of back imo... if anything Michael Bush from Louisville would be a better comparison imo.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

I've posted this before, but IMO he looks like AP when he gets through the hole. In no way does he run as hard or shed tacklers that way, but once he gets to the second level I think he looks like an AP clone. There are no wasted movements when he runs, and there's time he will bounce it outside and pick up about 7-8 more yards than you would think possible due to his acceleration.

My biggest criticism on Fournette is that if the running lane doesn't develop, he's very average. Obviously not everybody can turn nothing into something, and his ability to break one long given his speed and size are rare, but if we're going to call him a once in a generation talent that's something I'd expect.

 

[IrishLax]

In terms of running style, CJ is very similar to Matt Forte. Shocked that I haven't seen that comparison yet. He might not be quite as quick as Forte, but then again he might be... I haven't seen enough of Prosise to really know.

He also runs similar to Adrian Peterson. That's a fair comparison, they're both straight up runners with similar build. However, I don't think he is close to Peterson in his prime in terms of sheer explosion and athleticism. Fournette on the other hand...

 

[ACamp1900]

Yeah his style is akin to AP... it's just such an unfair comparison for CJ though, tried to think of someone more of this planet.....

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

In terms of running style, CJ is very similar to Matt Forte. Shocked that I haven't seen that comparison yet. He might not be quite as quick as Forte, but then again he might be... I haven't seen enough of Prosise to really know.

He also runs similar to Adrian Peterson. That's a fair comparison, they're both straight up runners with similar build. However, I don't think he is close to Peterson in his prime in terms of sheer explosion and athleticism. Fournette on the other hand...

Easily the best comparison. Reps

 

[ACamp1900]

Still stuck on the Reggie comparison... what about CJ makes you think, "cheater"????

 

[BobbyMac]

In terms of running style, CJ is very similar to Matt Forte. Shocked that I haven't seen that comparison yet. He might not be quite as quick as Forte, but then again he might be... I haven't seen enough of Prosise to really know.

He also runs similar to Adrian Peterson. That's a fair comparison, they're both straight up runners with similar build. However, I don't think he is close to Peterson in his prime in terms of sheer explosion and athleticism. Fournette on the other hand...

Style wise, Forte - Prosise is a good call but body wise, Forte and Adams are dead ringers.

 

[SoIll]

on the bush comparisons, I meant they are similar by their running strides, hands swinging, etc. The way they run when they're in space. Not the way they compare as runningbacks. Thought, I do like the Matt Forte comparisons.

 

[NOLAIrish]

In terms of running style, CJ is very similar to Matt Forte. Shocked that I haven't seen that comparison yet. He might not be quite as quick as Forte, but then again he might be... I haven't seen enough of Prosise to really know.

He also runs similar to Adrian Peterson. That's a fair comparison, they're both straight up runners with similar build. However, I don't think he is close to Peterson in his prime in terms of sheer explosion and athleticism. Fournette on the other hand...

I think Forte is a very good comparison. One other guy comes to mind when I see Prosise. Upright running style, more of a slider than a juker, big back with homerun speed:

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[Sherm Sticky]

Erick Dickerson? I went there


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[Irish YJ]

Guys, anyone guess what the over/under would be on CJP's yardage this game. I'm thinking about 140. I'd take the under... slightly.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Erick Dickerson? I went there


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I'd call the way Derrick Henry runs the ball to Dickerson, but I mostly agree with you. Still think he's more Stephen Jackson like, not that the differences are altogether to significant. I still think Adrian Peterson is and was on another level than either Fournette looks now or likely be going forward (IMO), even he becomes an All-Pro. But who knows, he may end up proving me wrong.

 

[ulukinatme]

You know who he reminds me of? Barry Sanders.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

You know who he reminds me of? Barry Sanders.

I know you're joking but only Barry Sanders ever looked like Barry sanders.

 

[dublinirish]

I know you're joking but only Barry Sanders ever looked like Barry sanders.

Barry Sanders JR aint even look like Barry Sanders