Marcus Freeman named Dick Corbett Head Football Coach

[mango4]

Well Im afraid that the “year 3 marcus freeman” vs “year 3 brian Kelly” comparison is not gonna go well for coach marcus

Year 3 Brian Kelly went 6-3-2. We can't compare Year 3 of Brian Kelly at ND to year 3 of Marcus Freeman because Kelly had quite a bit more coach experience by the time he got to ND.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Just so I am clear, you are comparing year 1 Marcus Freeman to year 25 Brian Kelly?

Do you want me to tell you how Brian Kelly did his first 2 years coaching?

I'm not trying to show huge support for Kelly because he was NOT IT. With that said, i'd really like Freeman to hurry up this "learning on the job" process that a lot of people keep making excuses for. The only thing IMO that can hold back ND in 2024 is Freeman

 

[a mike]

Freeman is very polished and knows how to play the game. I wouldn't be surprised if he has some type of a personal PR consultant type guy

Its in his best interest to tout up his employer for a multitude of reasons

He'd likely do the same for any spot he's at because that's just his MO. He's also probably pretty extroverted and it comes easy for him too i.e. a natural salesman

For all the talk about Kelly being a politician he's actually not very good at keeping up a public persona and lets his mask slip often

All these guys have huge egos so let's not disillusion ourselves, even Freeman. Dude probably spends a decent amount of his mornings trying out fits and preening in front of the mirror and always is on the scene

I'm guessing Freeman doesn't quite love ND as much as he puts on (but still has a healthy respect for overall) and Kelly didn't hate ND as much as people speculate

Truths usually lie somewhere in the middle

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I think Freeman not only gets Notre Dame, he gets people, especially the kids. I think that's huge and helps bridge that gap that he lacks in head coaching experience. He has a very experienced group around him too in Golden, Denbrock, Rudolph and McCullough. This can't be overstated.

Davie and Willingham didn't get it. Weis was an NFL guy who was an alum. Kelly always came off to me as very politician/CEO-ish and it is 100% true that he had to do an internal program audit after 2016 that resulted in a hard reboot because he was bringing in too many people from his Grand Valley State days and it wasn't working for what challenges were in the 2010s of college football. I sensed he was frustrated by the end and he came across as less politician and seemed more distant.

The early returns suggest to me that Freeman is more self aware and has tried to do a healthy combination of surrounding himself with people he knows while also looking to reach when hiring assistants.

So Kelly left it better than he found it for Freeman, and hiring Freeman as DC as a big part of that, but I think Freeman is the right person to take it into the 2020s from where Kelly gave it to him. I think he will be successful and win a lot of games. Will that result in a championship or two, I cannot say, but I certainly hope it does and I think he can be the one to finally get it done.

 

[brewdog_14527]

Do you want me to tell you how Brian Kelly did his first 2 years coaching?

I'm not trying to show huge support for Kelly because he was NOT IT. With that said, i'd really like Freeman to hurry up this "learning on the job" process that a lot of people keep making excuses for. The only thing IMO that can hold back ND in 2024 is Freeman

No, because I don't know how he did the first year or 2nd year, nor do I really care. The point is that you are constantly bitching about Freemen and his coaching acumen. The facts actually are that, in his first season as a head coach, he won 9 games with 2 qbs, who still have college eligibility, and they were so talented that one has walked on the lacrosse program at ND rather than go to a different school for football, and another who will be on his 3rd school in 1.5 years. Have there been missteps for Freeman along the way? Of course there have been. Just like there were with Saban, Smart, Dabo, Sark and everyone who has actually been a coach instead of just thinking they are one on the internet because they stayed at a motel 6 at some point. Is it ideal that his first head coaching experience is coming at ND, vs getting his feet wet at a Grand Valley St? Probably not. But that is the way things fell. We are fortunate that you come on here and remind of this all the time.

If you had watched other games besides Marshall and first year Stanford, there is plenty to get excited about. Maybe people aren't making excuses, but they actually choose to look at all the positive that is happening at ND and there seemingly new investment in, not only football, but the whole sports program. Do they do that if they don't believe in Freeman? They didn't with Kelly. Why do you think that is?

You fancy yourself as being able to break down recruits and tell us when they suck. Or break down the coaching staff and tell us when they suck. If you thought that ND was a championship contender in the first 2 years of Freeman's tenure, then maybe you aren't as astute a talent evaluator as you think. Would Kelly have won the title?

Now, before you start to criticize me as a homer, or not posting enough or whatever, I have a question for you. Driscoll takes a lot of heat on this site for his opinions, as do you. He is remodeling his kitchen based on his opinions, whatever you think of them. How come you have not taken a similar track? You could charge people for these instead of giving away the milk for free?

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[brewdog_14527]

I think Freeman not only gets Notre Dame, he gets people, especially the kids. I think that's huge and helps bridge that gap that he lacks in head coaching experience. He has a very experienced group around him too in Golden, Denbrock, Rudolph and McCullough. This can't be overstated.

Davie and Willingham didn't get it. Weis was an NFL guy who was an alum. Kelly always came off to me as very politician/CEO-ish and it is 100% true that he had to do an internal program audit after 2016 that resulted in a hard reboot because he was bringing in too many people from his Grand Valley State days and it wasn't working for what challenges were in the 2010s of college football. I sensed he was frustrated by the end and he came across as less politician and seemed more distant.

The early returns suggest to me that Freeman is more self aware and has tried to do a healthy combination of surrounding himself with people he knows while also looking to reach when hiring assistants.

So Kelly left it better than he found it for Freeman, and hiring Freeman as DC as a big part of that, but I think Freeman is the right person to take it into the 2020s from where Kelly gave it to him. I think he will be successful and win a lot of games. Will that result in a championship or two, I cannot say, but I certainly hope it does and I think he can be the one to finally get it done.

Well said.

 

[Irish#1]

Freeman is very polished and knows how to play the game. I wouldn't be surprised if he has some type of a personal PR consultant type guy

Its in his best interest to tout up his employer for a multitude of reasons

He'd likely do the same for any spot he's at because that's just his MO. He's also probably pretty extroverted and it comes easy for him too i.e. a natural salesman

For all the talk about Kelly being a politician he's actually not very good at keeping up a public persona and lets his mask slip often

All these guys have huge egos so let's not disillusion ourselves, even Freeman. Dude probably spends a decent amount of his mornings trying out fits and preening in front of the mirror and always is on the scene

I'm guessing Freeman doesn't quite love ND as much as he puts on (but still has a healthy respect for overall) and Kelly didn't hate ND as much as people speculate

Truths usually lie somewhere in the middle

I'm sure this wasn't done because he's the HC, but still.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I want to believe that Freeman means everything he says about ND and he is completely bought in. With that said, I believe he would almost assuredly bolt for pOSU if offered the reigns to that program.

 

[ulukinatme]

3089 = 3080 = 3079 = 3065 = 3036 = 3060

Somebody explain it to me like the child I am.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Somebody explain it to me like the child I am.

I think he was counting down to zero from the number of times this issue has been brought up. Although I am a bit thrown by the final number not decreasing from this previous number. Maybe a new horse was brought in to beat.

 

[Irish#1]

It's referencing all of PutUp's posts. Rinse , repeat, rinse, repeat......

 

[ulukinatme]

It's referencing all of PutUp's posts. Rinse , repeat, rinse, repeat......

Makes sense then I would have linked each so we could bask in the futility easier.

 

[PutuporShutup]

No, because I don't know how he did the first year or 2nd year, nor do I really care. The point is that you are constantly bitching about Freemen and his coaching acumen. The facts actually are that, in his first season as a head coach, he won 9 games with 2 qbs, who still have college eligibility, and they were so talented that one has walked on the lacrosse program at ND rather than go to a different school for football, and another who will be on his 3rd school in 1.5 years. Have there been missteps for Freeman along the way? Of course there have been. Just like there were with Saban, Smart, Dabo, Sark and everyone who has actually been a coach instead of just thinking they are one on the internet because they stayed at a motel 6 at some point. Is it ideal that his first head coaching experience is coming at ND, vs getting his feet wet at a Grand Valley St? Probably not. But that is the way things fell. We are fortunate that you come on here and remind of this all the time.

If you had watched other games besides Marshall and first year Stanford, there is plenty to get excited about. Maybe people aren't making excuses, but they actually choose to look at all the positive that is happening at ND and there seemingly new investment in, not only football, but the whole sports program. Do they do that if they don't believe in Freeman? They didn't with Kelly. Why do you think that is?

You fancy yourself as being able to break down recruits and tell us when they suck. Or break down the coaching staff and tell us when they suck. If you thought that ND was a championship contender in the first 2 years of Freeman's tenure, then maybe you aren't as astute a talent evaluator as you think. Would Kelly have won the title?

Now, before you start to criticize me as a homer, or not posting enough or whatever, I have a question for you. Driscoll takes a lot of heat on this site for his opinions, as do you. He is remodeling his kitchen based on his opinions, whatever you think of them. How come you have not taken a similar track? You could charge people for these instead of giving away the milk for free?

I

you literally asked me if i'm comparing freeman year 1 as HC to kelly year 25 as HC to prove a point? But now you don't care about how kelly did year 1 or 2 because it doesn't fit your narrative?

There's very few ND games I haven't watched multiple times. Last year I attended 4 ND games in person, 2 of which were at Duke and at Clemson. The teams lack of any sort executable game plan, their lack of any sort of energy pre game or during the game, and poor coaching decisions throughout give me large concerns regarding freeman's ability to have the team prepared every week. Yes we smashed some terrible teams last year and that was fun. Even though we beat NC state pretty good, the rain delay saved us as we had absolutely no plan or energy vs NC state before then.

I don't come on here and only say why freeman sucks, because it wouldn't be accurate or fair as he's doing many things exceptionally well. If you are reading everything i've wrote, you would see over and over my opinion about how he's put together probably the best team on paper ND has had in 30 years potentially. He's also put together possibly the best coaching staff in 30+ years. He's done an unbelievable job being an ambassador of ND. With that said, we also had a really really good team on paper last year and a really good staff minus an OC he hand picked and we went 9-3 with an easy schedule. In the end, winning football games is what this is about.

Like i said before, freeman has put us in such a good position for 24, the only thing that will prevent us from having a great season is freeman.

 

[PutuporShutup]

It's referencing all of PutUp's posts. Rinse , repeat, rinse, repeat......

I should just copy paste more, thank you

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I want to believe that Freeman means everything he says about ND and he is completely bought in. With that said, I believe he would almost assuredly bolt for pOSU if offered the reigns to that program.

First, it needs to become available. Second, they have to want him.

Freeman is 19-8. Ryan Day is 56-8 with the ninth most expensive buyout in college football. This is a bridge we cross when we get there and at this point we're pretty far down the road to even really mention it based on multiple assumptions concerning a job that isn't presently open.

 

[PutuporShutup]

First, it needs to become available. Second, they have to want him.

Freeman is 19-8. Ryan Day is 56-8 with the ninth most expensive buyout in college football. This is a bridge we cross when we get there and at this point we're pretty far down the road to even really mention it based on multiple assumptions concerning a job that isn't presently open.

What no one knows, at least i don't think anyone does, other than freeman and his family, what's freeman's ultimate goal?

NFL? Win as many championships as possible? Make as much money as possible? - If it's any of those 3, if he does awesome at ND over the next few years he won't be here long.

Legacy, stability, morals/character of a program, highest quality, championship potential - He could be at ND for awhile if he does well

 

[Valpodoc85]

Give the man a break. This just isn't a thirty something trying to figure out how to be a head coach. This is a man trying to figure out Covid, NIL, Notre Dame, and multiple other variables we don't even know. He is doing a good job. Succeeding in recruiting and tradition. His infield success is good but not yet great. I think he is in rarefied air here. Not too many men could walk that walk

 

[Huntr]

I should just copy paste more, thank you

You don't do that?

 

[ulukinatme]

You don't do that?

Inefficient trolling detected!

 

[Irish#1]

you literally asked me if i'm comparing freeman year 1 as HC to kelly year 25 as HC to prove a point? But now you don't care about how kelly did year 1 or 2 because it doesn't fit your narrative?

There's very few ND games I haven't watched multiple times. Last year I attended 4 ND games in person, 2 of which were at Duke and at Clemson. The teams lack of any sort executable game plan, their lack of any sort of energy pre game or during the game, and poor coaching decisions throughout give me large concerns regarding freeman's ability to have the team prepared every week. Yes we smashed some terrible teams last year and that was fun. Even though we beat NC state pretty good, the rain delay saved us as we had absolutely no plan or energy vs NC state before then.

I don't come on here and only say why freeman sucks, because it wouldn't be accurate or fair as he's doing many things exceptionally well. If you are reading everything i've wrote, you would see over and over my opinion about how he's put together probably the best team on paper ND has had in 30 years potentially. He's also put together possibly the best coaching staff in 30+ years. He's done an unbelievable job being an ambassador of ND. With that said, we also had a really really good team on paper last year and a really good staff minus an OC he hand picked and we went 9-3 with an easy schedule. In the end, winning football games is what this is about.

Like i said before, freeman has put us in such a good position for 24, the only thing that will prevent us from having a great season is freeman.

It's been said before, but it's worth repeating. It's not necessarily your opinion that people have an issue with, it's you repeating the same mantra over and over. It's like you're hoping one more post is going to change someone's mind.

You know what makes this board great? Damn near everyone here knows and understands football and its nuances very well. Just because they don't post with a couple of paragraphs of detail every time doesn't mean they don't see or understand what's going.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Does anyone know if Freeman actually interviewed for the A&M job? Just Curious. I give Freeman a B+ so far and so far he is head and shoulders better than Kelly and here are a few examples why.
Kelly would keep bad assitants around way to long, Freeman has shown that if it isn't working to move on.
Under Kelly how many times did we have players suspended, not elgible? Ect. I haven't seen that happen under Freeman.
Freeman has seemed to upgrade everything he loses an assistant.
Kelly was notrious for settling for the QB he had on the roster, Freeman doesn't care whose feelings he hurts he has brought in guys to compete and has used the portal a lot better.

 

[Lberry]

Does anyone know if Freeman actually interviewed for the A&M job? Just Curious. I give Freeman a B+ so far and so far he is head and shoulders better than Kelly and here are a few examples why.
Kelly would keep bad assitants around way to long, Freeman has shown that if it isn't working to move on.
Under Kelly how many times did we have players suspended, not elgible? Ect. I haven't seen that happen under Freeman.
Freeman has seemed to upgrade everything he loses an assistant.
Kelly was notrious for settling for the QB he had on the roster, Freeman doesn't care whose feelings he hurts he has brought in guys to compete and has used the portal a lot better.

I want to know what MF was going to do if Troy didn't come out of no where and save his offense...

 

[NDohio]

I want to know what MF was going to do if Troy didn't come out of no where and save his offense...

What makes you think Troy came out of no where? What makes you think Troy was the only job GP was interviewing for?

 

[mrmcgrail]

I think Freeman told him to find a new job or he was going to be demoted and denbrock was in the fold well before he was hired by troy

 

[ab2cmiller]

If all the stuff about MF talking up the LSU offense to Deuce this fall is true, then it would seem that the plan was always to bring Denbrock back.

So the only real question is, what would've MF done with Parker. Would've he tried to find a spot for him on the staff if a decent opportunity didn't come calling or would've he been willing to fire his friend.

 

[PutuporShutup]

If all the stuff about MF talking up the LSU offense to Deuce this fall is true, then it would seem that the plan was always to bring Denbrock back.

So the only real question is, what would've MF done with Parker. Would've he tried to find a spot for him on the staff if a decent opportunity didn't come calling or would've he been willing to fire his friend.

I think firing stuckey was the only firing he was willing to do last year.

 

[DONTH8]

Does anyone know if Freeman actually interviewed for the A&M job? Just Curious. I give Freeman a B+ so far and so far he is head and shoulders better than Kelly and here are a few examples why.
Kelly would keep bad assitants around way to long, Freeman has shown that if it isn't working to move on.
Under Kelly how many times did we have players suspended, not elgible? Ect. I haven't seen that happen under Freeman.
Freeman has seemed to upgrade everything he loses an assistant.
Kelly was notrious for settling for the QB he had on the roster, Freeman doesn't care whose feelings he hurts he has brought in guys to compete and has used the portal a lot better.

I think this is a little questionable.

Rees to Parker was definitely not an upgrade. And Rudolph instead of Hiestand is debatable.

Also losing O'Leary and the changes on the defense will be determined since he didn't bring in a safties guy and instead hired a LB coach and shifted Mickens over.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I think this is a little questionable.

Rees to Parker was definitely not an upgrade. And Rudolph instead of Hiestand is debatable.

Also losing O'Leary and the changes on the defense will be determined since he didn't bring in a safties guy and instead hired a LB coach and shifted Mickens over.

Joe Moore wasn’t available

 

[Irish#1]

I think Freeman told him to find a new job or he was going to be demoted and denbrock was in the fold well before he was hired by troy

If all the stuff about MF talking up the LSU offense to Deuce this fall is true, then it would seem that the plan was always to bring Denbrock back.

So the only real question is, what would've MF done with Parker. Would've he tried to find a spot for him on the staff if a decent opportunity didn't come calling or would've he been willing to fire his friend.

That comment I came across sure makes it seem that Freeman was already working on this while the season was underway. My guess is he would have let him go regardless. If Parker didn't have experience teaching whatever spot opened up, it would only delay the inevitable.

 

[Irish#1]

Joe Yonto wasn’t available

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