Manning Up

[Bishop2b5]

I'm sure by now everyone's seen the allegations about Peyton Manning sexually assaulting a female trainer when in college at UT, the coverup, trashing the woman's rep, etc. He's taking some major flak from the sports press and I watched Mike & Mike as well as Stephen A. take him to task over it this week. What he did was bad enough, but what his family and UT did to cover it up is worse.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...eaky-clean-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395

His silence and failure so far to just man up and admit he'd done something stupid as a college student doesn't look good. I'm surprised he doesn't just say, "Hey, I was a 19-year-old kid caught up in a locker room mentality and did a really stupid thing. It was 20 years ago, I'm ashamed of how immature I acted, how I treated that woman, and how I handled the aftermath."

 

[IrishLax]

First of all, let me just say that if anyone here links racist Shaun King's outrageously misleading, biased, and poorly written "article" here I'll be very disappointed. If you link that article, it shows your ignorant. So don't do it.

Second, there are very fair breakdowns on both PFT and Deadspin (and many other places) if anyone wants to Google them. Less race baiting, more informative.

Third, there is no "cover up" or "conspiracy" and anyone who says otherwise is patently uninformed. All of the facts being regurgitated now have been already known for over a decade. Every couple years, there has been a new article or two discussing them and posing the question why no one cares. For some reason, people just now give a shit.

Fourth, there are conflicting reports from first hand witnesses, but it seems he bumped her in the face with his butt. He thought it was "funny"... and frankly "acceptable" locker room behavior in the 90s is a lot different than what people think is OK in this day and age. This is simply a fact. If you don't believe me, go look at hazing laws passed since then as well as harassment laws and the implicit censorship of slurs. This doesn't mean what Peyton Manning did was OK, but it does mean that SJWs should chill out a bit.

Fifth, the lady in question has SERIOUSLY cashed in on this. So you can't point at her life being worse off for the incident in some areas, and you can point to the million dollars she has in her bank account from getting bumped in the face by a bare ass.

Sixth, the reason why Manning "trashed" her rep is because he feels like she did the same thing to him. Manning's brief incident was one of the least serious of the 27 incidents she sued Tennessee over. Once he found out that his "joke" was taken seriously he called to apologize... and she wouldn't pick up the phone, because she was only interested in getting money out of Tennessee. She also significantly changed her account of the incident many years later for her second lawsuit, specifically to sensationalize it and make it read like sexual assault so Manning would settle. So you have a plaintiff's account of an incident (that she has changed over time) up against multiple different versions from witnesses. It seems clear that Peyton's version is BS, but it also seems quite likely that her version is somewhat as well.

Seventh, the reason why Peyton Manning can't say anything is that every time he even alludes to the incident she sues him. He is LITERALLY bound by the law not to talk about this at all.

In conclusion... it seems like Peyton was a jerk, the lady saw the opportunity for a pay day from Tennessee, Peyton got upset about what he thought was unfair allegations by her and has perpetually tried to get "even," and she's sued him every chance she's had and he's counter-sued and it's just ugly. Peyton Manning is OBVIOUSLY in the wrong here and his version of events is ridiculous... but this lady does not seem like an innocent victim on many different levels.

Lastly, you cannot, CANNOT, CANNOT take a one-sided filing in a lawsuit seeking money as "fact"... do people not remember the laughable case from earlier this year where the kid at Notre Dame claimed he was "coerced" into having sex with a girl because he was black and sued for all kinds of ridiculousness? Has no one here worked at a company where someone has filed a bogus lawsuit against the company for harassment or discrimination or what have you? People can and do say all kinds of crap in lawsuits that may or may not be true.

 

[Irishnuke]

This shit again. This happened 20 years ago and was settled. Bringing it up now is absurd. Shaun King is a miserable racist piece of shit. I fully believe he's pissed about how Cam Newton has been treated and is trying to deflect and trash Manning.

 

[GATTACA!]

When you have legitimate women beaters playing in the NFL I find it hard to get upset about a class act player having done something stupid and immature 20 years ago.

 

[Irish#1]

First of all, let me just say that if anyone here links racist Shaun King's outrageously misleading, biased, and poorly written "article" here I'll be very disappointed. If you link that article, it shows your ignorant. So don't do it.

Second, there are very fair breakdowns on both PFT and Deadspin (and many other places) if anyone wants to Google them. Less race baiting, more informative.

Third, there is no "cover up" or "conspiracy" and anyone who says otherwise is patently uninformed. All of the facts being regurgitated now have been already known for over a decade. Every couple years, there has been a new article or two discussing them and posing the question why no one cares. For some reason, people just now give a shit.

Fourth, there are conflicting reports from first hand witnesses, but it seems he bumped her in the face with his butt. He thought it was "funny"... and frankly "acceptable" locker room behavior in the 90s is a lot different than what people think is OK in this day and age. This is simply a fact. If you don't believe me, go look at hazing laws passed since then as well as harassment laws and the implicit censorship of slurs. This doesn't mean what Peyton Manning did was OK, but it does mean that SJWs should chill out a bit.

Fifth, the lady in question has SERIOUSLY cashed in on this. So you can't point at her life being worse off for the incident in some areas, and you can point to the million dollars she has in her bank account from getting bumped in the face by a bare ass.

Sixth, the reason why Manning "trashed" her rep is because he feels like she did the same thing to him. Manning's brief incident was one of the least serious of the 27 incidents she sued Tennessee over. Once he found out that his "joke" was taken seriously he called to apologize... and she wouldn't pick up the phone, because she was only interested in getting money out of Tennessee. She also significantly changed her account of the incident many years later for her second lawsuit, specifically to sensationalize it and make it read like sexual assault so Manning would settle. So you have a plaintiff's account of an incident (that she has changed over time) up against multiple different versions from witnesses. It seems clear that Peyton's version is BS, but it also seems quite likely that her version is somewhat as well.

Seventh, the reason why Peyton Manning can't say anything is that every time he even alludes to the incident she sues him. He is LITERALLY bound by the law not to talk about this at all.

In conclusion... it seems like Peyton was a jerk, the lady saw the opportunity for a pay day from Tennessee, Peyton got upset about what he thought was unfair allegations by her and has perpetually tried to get "even," and she's sued him every chance she's had and he's counter-sued and it's just ugly. Peyton Manning is OBVIOUSLY in the wrong here and his version of events is ridiculous... but this lady does not seem like an innocent victim on many different levels.

Lastly, you cannot, CANNOT, CANNOT take a one-sided filing in a lawsuit seeking money as "fact"... do people not remember the laughable case from earlier this year where the kid at Notre Dame claimed he was "coerced" into having sex with a girl because he was black and sued for all kinds of ridiculousness? Has no one here worked at a company where someone has filed a bogus lawsuit against the company for harassment or discrimination or what have you? People can and do say all kinds of crap in lawsuits that may or may not be true.

Game, Set, Match!

 

[Irish YJ]

Lax - nicely said and reps. Whatever he did was in poor taste as a college kid, but the one-sidedness of most of the media coverage is nothing but a ratings/click grab. There's a lot more to this story as you mentioned, and to compare to some of the other stuff out there is ludicrous. I think we can all agree that his behavior since this has been role model.

 

[tko]

First of all, let me just say that if anyone here links racist Shaun King's outrageously misleading, biased, and poorly written "article" here I'll be very disappointed. If you link that article, it shows your ignorant. So don't do it.

Second, there are very fair breakdowns on both PFT and Deadspin (and many other places) if anyone wants to Google them. Less race baiting, more informative.

Third, there is no "cover up" or "conspiracy" and anyone who says otherwise is patently uninformed. All of the facts being regurgitated now have been already known for over a decade. Every couple years, there has been a new article or two discussing them and posing the question why no one cares. For some reason, people just now give a shit.

Fourth, there are conflicting reports from first hand witnesses, but it seems he bumped her in the face with his butt. He thought it was "funny"... and frankly "acceptable" locker room behavior in the 90s is a lot different than what people think is OK in this day and age. This is simply a fact. If you don't believe me, go look at hazing laws passed since then as well as harassment laws and the implicit censorship of slurs. This doesn't mean what Peyton Manning did was OK, but it does mean that SJWs should chill out a bit.

Fifth, the lady in question has SERIOUSLY cashed in on this. So you can't point at her life being worse off for the incident in some areas, and you can point to the million dollars she has in her bank account from getting bumped in the face by a bare ass.

Sixth, the reason why Manning "trashed" her rep is because he feels like she did the same thing to him. Manning's brief incident was one of the least serious of the 27 incidents she sued Tennessee over. Once he found out that his "joke" was taken seriously he called to apologize... and she wouldn't pick up the phone, because she was only interested in getting money out of Tennessee. She also significantly changed her account of the incident many years later for her second lawsuit, specifically to sensationalize it and make it read like sexual assault so Manning would settle. So you have a plaintiff's account of an incident (that she has changed over time) up against multiple different versions from witnesses. It seems clear that Peyton's version is BS, but it also seems quite likely that her version is somewhat as well.

Seventh, the reason why Peyton Manning can't say anything is that every time he even alludes to the incident she sues him. He is LITERALLY bound by the law not to talk about this at all.

In conclusion... it seems like Peyton was a jerk, the lady saw the opportunity for a pay day from Tennessee, Peyton got upset about what he thought was unfair allegations by her and has perpetually tried to get "even," and she's sued him every chance she's had and he's counter-sued and it's just ugly. Peyton Manning is OBVIOUSLY in the wrong here and his version of events is ridiculous... but this lady does not seem like an innocent victim on many different levels.

Lastly, you cannot, CANNOT, CANNOT take a one-sided filing in a lawsuit seeking money as "fact"... do people not remember the laughable case from earlier this year where the kid at Notre Dame claimed he was "coerced" into having sex with a girl because he was black and sued for all kinds of ridiculousness? Has no one here worked at a company where someone has filed a bogus lawsuit against the company for harassment or discrimination or what have you? People can and do say all kinds of crap in lawsuits that may or may not be true.

This is like a Mark Philippoussis serve down the T at 140 mph, next.

 

[IrishLion]

(Clay Travis reference inbound even though I hate him)

Clay Travis has been digging up info on this for the past two weeks.

He's a Tennessee homer, and so what he says should be taken lightly, and he would go to his grave defending Manning (he hasn't said a word about the recent sexual assault news at Tennessee, if that tells you where he stands on things)... but he dug up the list of so-called "demands" that the trainer wanted as part of her lawsuit. Among many of the things, she wanted a ring from one of their bowl games. Just her own ring. As part of a sexual assault lawsuit. Those things don't add up to me.

Also, in the initial case, she gave a statement/testimony that Manning was mooning her, and that she bumped into him when she sat up. Now, of course that was what Manning wanted to happen, but she went on to say that she "pushed him away from me and called him an ass." That doesn't sound like the reaction of someone who feels assaulted in a serious manner. But maybe I'm jumping too far in my conclusion, because assault IS a serious business. It's just my opinion that her requests and statements don't match the seriousness of the issue.

 

[ulukinatme]

Stupid move on Manning's part back then, whatever he did almost 20 years ago, but by all accounts it sounds like this was taken care of ages ago in court and she was more than compensated. Why this is coming up now is anyone's guess, but it certainly seems like the media is looking for a story while Manning is fresh in everyone's mind from the Super Bowl. Someone wants to knock him down a few pegs. Seems pointless to go down this path again, horrible reporting, this isn't news.

 

[wizards8507]

First of all, let me just say that if anyone here links racist Shaun King's outrageously misleading, biased, and poorly written "article" here I'll be very disappointed. If you link that article, it shows your ignorant. So don't do it.

Second, there are very fair breakdowns on both PFT and Deadspin (and many other places) if anyone wants to Google them. Less race baiting, more informative.

Third, there is no "cover up" or "conspiracy" and anyone who says otherwise is patently uninformed. All of the facts being regurgitated now have been already known for over a decade. Every couple years, there has been a new article or two discussing them and posing the question why no one cares. For some reason, people just now give a shit.

Fourth, there are conflicting reports from first hand witnesses, but it seems he bumped her in the face with his butt. He thought it was "funny"... and frankly "acceptable" locker room behavior in the 90s is a lot different than what people think is OK in this day and age. This is simply a fact. If you don't believe me, go look at hazing laws passed since then as well as harassment laws and the implicit censorship of slurs. This doesn't mean what Peyton Manning did was OK, but it does mean that SJWs should chill out a bit.

Fifth, the lady in question has SERIOUSLY cashed in on this. So you can't point at her life being worse off for the incident in some areas, and you can point to the million dollars she has in her bank account from getting bumped in the face by a bare ass.

Sixth, the reason why Manning "trashed" her rep is because he feels like she did the same thing to him. Manning's brief incident was one of the least serious of the 27 incidents she sued Tennessee over. Once he found out that his "joke" was taken seriously he called to apologize... and she wouldn't pick up the phone, because she was only interested in getting money out of Tennessee. She also significantly changed her account of the incident many years later for her second lawsuit, specifically to sensationalize it and make it read like sexual assault so Manning would settle. So you have a plaintiff's account of an incident (that she has changed over time) up against multiple different versions from witnesses. It seems clear that Peyton's version is BS, but it also seems quite likely that her version is somewhat as well.

Seventh, the reason why Peyton Manning can't say anything is that every time he even alludes to the incident she sues him. He is LITERALLY bound by the law not to talk about this at all.

In conclusion... it seems like Peyton was a jerk, the lady saw the opportunity for a pay day from Tennessee, Peyton got upset about what he thought was unfair allegations by her and has perpetually tried to get "even," and she's sued him every chance she's had and he's counter-sued and it's just ugly. Peyton Manning is OBVIOUSLY in the wrong here and his version of events is ridiculous... but this lady does not seem like an innocent victim on many different levels.

Lastly, you cannot, CANNOT, CANNOT take a one-sided filing in a lawsuit seeking money as "fact"... do people not remember the laughable case from earlier this year where the kid at Notre Dame claimed he was "coerced" into having sex with a girl because he was black and sued for all kinds of ridiculousness? Has no one here worked at a company where someone has filed a bogus lawsuit against the company for harassment or discrimination or what have you? People can and do say all kinds of crap in lawsuits that may or may not be true.

 

[wizards8507]

Why this is coming up now is anyone's guess...

It doesn't require any guessing. It has very little to do with Peyton Manning and everything to do with Cam Newton.

Cam Newton: 'I'm an African-American QB that may scare a lot of people' with unique skills

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It's not hard to see what The Narrative (TM) is. Some people make their money in the grievance industry. The people who scream "racism" the most are the ones who make their money and get their website clicks from those accusations. They're stoking the flames of a race war.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Stupid move on Manning's part back then, whatever he did almost 20 years ago, but by all accounts it sounds like this was taken care of ages ago in court and she was more than compensated. Why this is coming up now is anyone's guess, but it certainly seems like the media is looking for a story while Manning is fresh in everyone's mind from the Super Bowl. Someone wants to knock him down a few pegs. Seems pointless to go down this path again, horrible reporting, this isn't news.

You are absolutely right. Hit the nail on the head. This is NOT news! Peyton admitted YEARS ago that it was immature and more of a prank. He settled up and that should be the end of it. But some idiot reporter wants the story to resurface to get a few clicks. Just stupid. Peyton is a class act. He did something trivial and stupid in college in the nineties. Really?! What about the civic good he has done? Here in Indy we will always love him, not because of a Superbowl but because of his love, support and dedication to kids.

 

[Irish#1]

Good thing he didn't fart when it happened. Otherwise it might have been assault with a deadly weapon.

I'll be here all week. Try the veal and don't forget to tip your waitress.

 

[BeauBenken]

Think some people may be brushing off the sexual assault too easily. While it may have just been some dumb joke done by a 19 year old boy, sexual assault still needs to be regarded as serious.

That being said, this was 20 years ago, and it was handled then. And again at a later date. I think people just can't stand letting Peyton's retirement be graceful because they dislike him for whatever reason(s).

As well, any comparison this King fella does with how Cam behaved at the Super Bowl this year compared to how Peyton did back in 2010 is just hogwash, and how each may have been judged had almost nothing (have to account for the Glen Beck's of the world, I suppose) with the color of their skin. Cam simply acts over-emotional at ALL times which is not signs of a good leader.

Didn't realize any of that had to do with being black.

 

[wizards8507]

Think some people may be brushing off the sexual assault too easily. While it may have just been some dumb joke done by a 19 year old boy, sexual assault still needs to be regarded as serious.

Yeah but even if he did EXACTLY what he was accused of doing, that ain't sexual assault by any common sense definition of the word.

 

[bkess8]

If half of the things some of you guys did as 19 yo kids was ever brought up some of you would be in some deep sh!t. This is old news move on.

 

[irishff1014]

If half of the things some of you guys did as 19 yo kids was ever brought up some of you would be in some deep sh!t. This is old news move on.

right on!!!

 

[BeauBenken]

Yeah but even if he did EXACTLY what he was accused of doing, that ain't sexual assault by any common sense definition of the word.

...What?

Placing your genitals on someone's face ISN'T sexual assault? I'm pretty sure you must be insane.

Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape.

- The Department of Justice

If you simply touch someone without their consent in a way that can be perceived as sexual, it is sexual assault. Let alone slapping them in the face with your taint.

 

[wizards8507]

...What?

Placing your genitals on someone's face ISN'T sexual assault? I'm pretty sure you must be insane.

That's not the allegation. The allegation is that he was bare-assed and his butt touched her face when she stood up.

- The Department of Justice

If you simply touch someone without their consent in a way that can be perceived as sexual, it is sexual assault. Let alone slapping them in the face with your taint.

I said "common sense definition," not some bullshit technical legal definition.

Have you ever had sex with a woman who had a few drinks? Legally, that woman was unable to consent to the act and you're a rapist. Think about that for a second.

 

[wizards8507]

If half of the things some of you guys did as 19 yo kids was ever brought up some of you would be in some deep sh!t. This is old news move on.

Exactly right. Any one of us who had sex with a woman after a few drinks can be accused and convicted of rape in many states. That's a sick and twisted notion of justice.

 

[IrishLion]

Have you ever had sex with a woman who had a few drinks? Legally, that woman was unable to consent to the act and you're a rapist. Think about that for a second.

So what if I've been drinking, and my wife hasn't, and then she takes advantage of me... is that assault?

Even if I enjoy it?

 

[NDRock]

Lax - nicely said and reps. Whatever he did was in poor taste as a college kid, but the one-sidedness of most of the media coverage is nothing but a ratings/click grab. There's a lot more to this story as you mentioned, and to compare to some of the other stuff out there is ludicrous. I think we can all agree that his behavior since this has been role model.

I like Manning and think he's probably a good guy but I'm not sure I would agree on role model behavior. He's donated quite a bit to charity but I've also heard quite a few accounts of him committing adultery. I'm also not convinced he didn't use HGH. I'm not going to get sanctimonious about any of that, I just wouldn't exactly call it role model behavior.

 

[woolybug25]

That's not the allegation. The allegation is that he was bare-assed and his butt touched her face when she stood up.

Question... and I am completely guessing here... was this a situation where they play the trick of the "Impossible Situp"?

That sh!t isn't sexual assault...

 

[wizards8507]

So what if I've been drinking, and my wife hasn't, and then she takes advantage of me... is that assault?

Even if I enjoy it?

In Ohio, you're off the hook if it's your spouse.

2907.02 Rape.
(A)

(1) No person shall engage in sexual conduct with another who is not the spouse of the offender or who is the spouse of the offender but is living separate and apart from the offender, when any of the following applies:

(a) For the purpose of preventing resistance, the offender substantially impairs the other person's judgment or control by administering any drug, intoxicant, or controlled substance to the other person surreptitiously or by force, threat of force, or deception.

(b) The other person is less than thirteen years of age, whether or not the offender knows the age of the other person.

(c) The other person's ability to resist or consent is substantially impaired because of a mental or physical condition or because of advanced age, and the offender knows or has reasonable cause to believe that the other person's ability to resist or consent is substantially impaired because of a mental or physical condition or because of advanced age.

 

[RDU Irish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKrUZsvBqP4

Found this to be pretty funny. Peyton is alright in my book.

 

[BeauBenken]

That's not the allegation. The allegation is that he was bare-assed and his butt touched her face when she stood up.


I said "common sense definition," not some bullshit technical legal definition.

Have you ever had sex with a woman who had a few drinks? Legally, that woman was unable to consent to the act and you're a rapist. Think about that for a second.

Perhaps you should re-read the allegation.

At that point, she said, he forcefully maneuvered his naked testicles and rectum directly on her face with his penis on top of her head.

Common sense tells me that if someone does that to someone, it's sexual assault.

Besides, the fact of the matter is if someone does something illegal, it doesn't really matter if you disagree with the law at the end of the day. Like I said, I think the issue is done and over, but some of you are brushing it off as if it didn't happen at all.

 

[IrishLion]

Perhaps you should re-read the allegation.

Common sense tells me that if someone does that to someone, it's sexual assault.

Besides, the fact of the matter is if someone does something illegal, it doesn't really matter if you disagree with the law at the end of the day. Like I said, I think the issue is done and over, but some of you are brushing it off as if it didn't happen at all.

That was the original allegation... but then they settled it, and the allegation was proven to be not true, based on her own statements, if I read things correctly about the case.

 

[woolybug25]

At that point, she said, he forcefully maneuvered his naked testicles and rectum directly on her face with his penis on top of her head.

Link? That is not what I found the court documents:

Manning claimed in his book that, while in the training room, in response to a track athlete who made a remark, Manning dropped his shorts to moon the athlete. "I did it thinking the trainer wasn't where she would see. ... Even when she did, it seemed like something she'd have laughed at, considering the environment, or shrugged off as harmless. Crude maybe, but harmless."

Naughright and her lawyer provided a different version of events. In a court filing, her lawyer wrote that she was examining Manning to see why Manning was having pain in one of his feet and was crouched behind him when "entirely unprovoked, Peyton Manning decided to pull down his shorts and sit on Dr. Naughright's head and face."

As Naughright described it in a deposition entered into the court record: "It was the gluteus maximus, the rectum, the testicles and the area in between the testicles. And all that was on my face when I pushed him up. ... To get leverage, I took my head out to push him up and off."

The court record includes a letter to Manning from former Tennessee cross country runner Malcolm Saxon, who Manning said was the intended target of the mooning. Written in December 2002, the letter reads, in part: "Bro, you have tons of class, but you have shown no mercy or grace to this lady who was on her knees seeing if you had a stress fracture. ...

"She was minding her own business when your book came out. Peyton, the way I see it, at this point, you are going to take a hit either way, if you settle out of court or if it goes to court. You might as well maintain some dignity and admit to what happened. ... Your celebrity doesn't mean you can treat folks that way. ... Do the right thing here."

In a court filing, Naughright's lawyer says his client reported the incident within hours to the Sexual Assault Crisis Center in Knoxville.

According to a filing by Naughright's lawyer, Manning at first didn't call the incident a "mooning." The lawyer wrote that Manning "denied" that anything had occurred between him and Naughright. An associate trainer, Mike Rollo, was never a witness to the incident, but he got involved because he tried to intervene to help Manning come up with a story.

In a deposition cited in the filing, Rollo was asked if Naughright had ever referred to the incident as mooning. "No, unfortunately, I think that tagging is with me," Rollo answered.

The next question: "In other words, you were the first person to characterize it as a mooning, is that correct?"

"Unfortunately."

Reached by telephone Monday, Rollo referred questions to Tennessee's lawyers, who didn't return telephone calls Monday.

In court documents, Naughright's lawyer wrote that after the incident with Manning, Manning taunted her by re-enacting his conduct on two occasions. The document also said that Manning called her a "bitch" during a drug test, when he snatched a pen, which he was supposed to use to sign and date the specimen, and threw it across the room.

 

[Irish#1]

...What?

Placing your genitals on someone's face ISN'T sexual assault? I'm pretty sure you must be insane.

- The Department of Justice

If you simply touch someone without their consent in a way that can be perceived as sexual, it is sexual assault. Let alone slapping them in the face with your taint.

I would agree with this, except you're comparing something that happened 20 years ago (different time, different climate) to how it may be construed today.

I like Manning and think he's probably a good guy but I'm not sure I would agree on role model behavior. He's donated quite a bit to charity but I've also heard quite a few accounts of him committing adultery. I'm also not convinced he didn't use HGH. I'm not going to get sanctimonious about any of that, I just wouldn't exactly call it role model behavior.

I may be forgetting, but I don't remember any local news, sports talk or the Indy Star ever reporting or mentioning Manning and infidelity. Someone who works for me has done a lot of work for Manning thru PM's personal assistant ever since PM arrived in Indy. He's shared info, but never anything about infidelity.

 

[wizards8507]

Perhaps you should re-read the allegation.

Common sense tells me that if someone does that to someone, it's sexual assault.

Besides, the fact of the matter is if someone does something illegal, it doesn't really matter if you disagree with the law at the end of the day. Like I said, I think the issue is done and over, but some of you are brushing it off as if it didn't happen at all.

Come on, the RECTUM!? You can't put a rectum *on* something. Your rectum is inside your asshole. It's not even anatomically possible to put your rectum on a person's face with your penis on their head. Taints don't bend that direction.