Jack Arute on Sirius

[Buster Bluth]

I'm down for this for a couple of reasons...

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I'll go ahead and cast doubt that BK is going to the NFL. I just don't see the fit and with him getting approval for a JUCO, I see him doing more work behind the scenes at improving ND's roster.

You could make an argument as to a guy like Bill O'Brien and even Chip Kelly for making the jump but I just don't see that with BK. I do admit that anything is possible and weirder things have happened.

I think staff changes are inevitable though.

I couldn't agree more

 

[EifertPower]

I don't know if I'd call Weis an unmitigated disaster. He certainly helped move the program forward. In fact, if we do lose Kelly this year, we'll be lucky to get a coach of that caliber moving forward.

I'll get crushed for this but don't really see how Weis and Kelly are different. Year 6 is Kelly's chance to prove he's in another league than Weis. Weis' first two seasons and his Year 5 team easily could have been 11-1 or 1-11. Weis just needed an offensive line coach and a defensive coordinator and he'd still be here. he had his chance and blew it. Imagine Diaco's 2012 defense with Weis' offenses.

 

[Bluto]

I'll get crushed for this but don't really see how Weis and Kelly are different. Year 6 is Kelly's chance to prove he's in another league than Weis. Weis' first two seasons and his Year 5 team easily could have been 11-1 or 1-11. Weis just needed an offensive line coach and a defensive coordinator and he'd still be here. he had his chance and blew it. Imagine Diaco's 2012 defense with Weis' offenses.

Imagine the 2012 defense and the 2013 and or 2014 offense. Both those teams would have had 11 wins.

 

[Bluto]

In all seriousness when is this dude returning from Sirius with the supposed "big news". So far all I've seen is a greatest hits compilation of all the worst case scenarios the psyche of an ND football fan can conjure up.

 

[Catholics_Rule]

I'll get crushed for this but don't really see how Weis and Kelly are different. Year 6 is Kelly's chance to prove he's in another league than Weis. Weis' first two seasons and his Year 5 team easily could have been 11-1 or 1-11. Weis just needed an offensive line coach and a defensive coordinator and he'd still be here. he had his chance and blew it. Imagine Diaco's 2012 defense with Weis' offenses.

I agree 100%. I remember back 2005-2006 Weis was everything to everyone. He was the guy most said put Notre Dame back on the map. Then it went it downhill fast. The similarities between Weis & Kelly are spot on IMO. Besides Kelly's 2012 season it's been 7-8 wins every season. If Kelly sticks around next season, (which I think he will) that's the season he has to prove himself. He needs 10-11 wins in my book. No more next year, next year.

 

[NDRock]

I'll get crushed for this but don't really see how Weis and Kelly are different. Year 6 is Kelly's chance to prove he's in another league than Weis. Weis' first two seasons and his Year 5 team easily could have been 11-1 or 1-11. Weis just needed an offensive line coach and a defensive coordinator and he'd still be here. he had his chance and blew it. Imagine Diaco's 2012 defense with Weis' offenses.

Kelly is clearly the better coach but I remember watching the Cinci/PITT game in 09' when Kelly was going for 12-0. It was the last game of the year and it was snowing pretty hard and I remember Cinci was throwing the ball all over the place. This was the same year that Weis lost 6 games by like 28 total points. Cinci pulled it out and I remember thinking how similar they looked to our team (except they won). I wondered whether we were just getting a better version of Weis and why some coaches pull out close games and others don't. And no I don't want Kelly gone or Weis back.

 

[gkIrish]

Dammit, apparently michigan's reaching out to David Cutcliffe. I was hoping for him to come to ND if Kelly left.

That's a relatively decent hire IMO. But so much easier to swallow than some of the other names that were thrown out there.

 

[ohara831]

If Kelly were to leave, I would throw a ton of money at Harbaugh to come since he is likely out soon at San Fran. I mean a TON of money to make it so he cannot resist the temptation.

 

[koonja]

If Kelly leaves, I want someone who loves their job at ND and can't help but show it. Kelly maybe loves ND, but I never get that from him (not that I blame him with all of the shit he's dealt with).

What differentiates college from pro to me is passion and that's why I love the college game. That passion spills into the students, fans, players, and recruits. ND has a lot to offer coaches and especially recruits.

I'm tired of the business-like approach. I want the players, coaches, and students to have fun and make ND games a riot again.

I want someone who is all in and can go into a kid's living room and get him excited to be on the team that wakes up the echoes.

 

[Wild Bill]

If Kelly leaves, I want someone who loves their job at ND and can't help but show it. Kelly maybe loves ND, but I never get that from him (not that I blame him with all of the shit he's dealt with).

What differentiates college from pro to me is passion and that's why I love the college game. That passion spills into the students, fans, players, and recruits. ND has a lot to offer coaches and especially recruits.

I'm tired of the business-like approach. I want the players, coaches, and students to have fun and make ND games a riot again.

I want someone who is all in and can go into a kid's living room and get him excited to be on the team that wakes up the echoes.

The business-like approach works. Who are the best coaches in the game? Saban, Urban, Briles, Stoops, Dantonio, Kelly, etc, are all business-like coaches. I want someone with passion but I don't want a moron like James Franklin whoopin' it up in a recruits living room like a fool.

I'll take Bill Snyder and a time machine.

 

[Irish Insanity]

^Koon for NDFB coach

 

[Me2SouthBend]

So I'd rather not flip through 15 pages of posts to find what if any actual conclusion was reached as to the news that was supposed to be coming out. Was anything aactually announced?

 

[koonja]

^Koon for NDFB coach

I'd coach the F out of that team and if you don't have abs, you don't play.

 

[NDRock]

So I'd rather not flip through 15 pages of posts to find what if any actual conclusion was reached as to the news that was supposed to be coming out. Was anything aactually announced?

Kelly is going to the NFL, Koon smoked weed with Bryant and is our new Coach.

 

[scUM Hater]

Kelly is going to the NFL, Koon smoked weed with Bryant and is our new Coach.

And muck fichigan

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Kelly is going to the NFL, Koon smoked weed with Bryant and is our new Coach.

Ok. And here I was bracing for bad news.

 

[Cackalacky]

I hear the Bears are in need of a coach.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I'd coach the F out of that team and if you don't have abs, you don't play.

Damn the oline and dline will be thin


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[NDRock]

Damn the oline and dline will be thin


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First order of business for Koon, fire Longo and hire this guy...

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Ummmmmmmm......what is happening here? Took a whopping one day off, and 60 pages appear of who will replace Kelly. WTF is going on?

 

[EifertPower]

I agree 100%. I remember back 2005-2006 Weis was everything to everyone. He was the guy most said put Notre Dame back on the map. Then it went it downhill fast. The similarities between Weis & Kelly are spot on IMO. Besides Kelly's 2012 season it's been 7-8 wins every season. If Kelly sticks around next season, (which I think he will) that's the season he has to prove himself. He needs 10-11 wins in my book. No more next year, next year.

The general trend seems to be coaches at ND only win with their predecessor's players. Willingham won with Davie's in 2002. Weis won with Willingham's in 2005 and 2006. Kelly won with Weis' in 2012.

Kelly came in and criticized Weis and his players, saying and inferring that you can tell the difference between the players Kelly recruited and the ones he didn't. At the time it ruffled a lot of feathers and upset a lot of the Weis players (even the ones like Rudolph who was already in the NFL when Kelly made this quote).

But to me the most successful players and the closest to the RKGs that Kelly always loves talking about were Weis' guys: Te'o, Eifert, Z Martin, Riddick.

Who are the RKG that Kelly has recruited? One can argue that if he was, in fact, recruiting RKGs he wouldn't have to continually deal with these academic issues, integrity issues, and character issues that unfortunately have plagued the program under his watch.

A program full of RKGs wouldn't go through the yearly distractions that ND has to go through over the past couple of years.

This said, I like Kelly and want him back next year, and i'm not implying that a mediocre year next year should get him fired but next year will show us all Kelly's true coaching/recruiting ability and his ceiling at ND.

 

[ND NYC]

Getting from that second tier to the first tier is difficult. But I do think Kelly is on the right track. Yes it has been five years now, but the program was down quite a bit and it takes time to build the depth and get the quality of players needed to get to that first tier group. Miss on a few recruits each class and have the injury bug hit and it becomes much more difficult. This season would have played out differently if the Frozen Five and the injuries had not happened. That should give the Irish fans some hope moving forward. Just need to hang in there and keep trying to get higher quality players that fits moving forward.

we will hang in there. like we always have.
just as you did through the Perkins, Curry, Dubose, Franchione, Shula eras down there in Bama.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Ummmmmmmm......what is happening here? Took a whopping one day off, and 60 pages appear of who will replace Kelly. WTF is going on?

as far as the Arute tease....he said was nothing "negative" (as in scandal or suspension). Rather he was alluding to the fact that an NFL team(s) was courting Kelly.

Arute's comments had nothing to do w/ Folston/Bryant. Either that's a separate story or it's an internet concoction b/c nothing has come out of any of the ND sites. I'd be pleasantly surprised if there was nothing to it, but then who & why would that rumor get out?

 

[Junkhead]

Arute's comments had nothing to do w/ Folston/Bryant. Either that's a separate story or it's an internet concoction b/c nothing has come out of any of the ND sites. I'd be pleasantly surprised if there was nothing to it, but then who & why would that rumor get out?

I shouldn't share this, but I heard they were spotted with NDOM at Ponderosa.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I'll get crushed for this but don't really see how Weis and Kelly are different.

One has won 46% of his games, the other has won 73%.

Weis just needed an offensive line coach and a defensive coordinator and he'd still be here.

Since offense is normally split into skill and OL, you're saying that only 3/4 of the team needed to be replaced. Or, to put it more simply, that Weis can't coach worth a shit outside of being an OC.

Then keep in mind that Lewis-Moore said he wasn't even during squats under Weis, Longo had to install that when he first got here. So add that to the list. Guys were dropping weight like crazy during the season and getting physically dominated in November every year. ND got a reminder of that his year when they played freshmen and sophomores, Weis fielded teams with the physicality of freshmen and sophomores every single season. Let's not forget that.

Imagine Diaco's 2012 defense with Weis' offenses.

Or switch it around and just give Brian Kelly Jimmy Clausen and see what happens.

I agree 100%. I remember back 2005-2006 Weis was everything to everyone.

In 2005 an 2006 alone--Weis' best teams--they were blown out four times. That's only happened as many times in Kelly's five years here. In Weis' five years the embarrassment of being totally outclassed physically and strategically was felt ~15 times.

Then it went it downhill fast. The similarities between Weis & Kelly are spot on IMO. Besides Kelly's 2012 season it's been 7-8 wins every season.

These two sentences don't make sense toegther. The implosion of Weis' program has really no comparison at all with Kelly.

If Kelly sticks around next season, (which I think he will) that's the season he has to prove himself. He needs 10-11 wins in my book.

I'm in agreement with you here. 2015 is make or break for Kelly.

No more next year, next year.

It's never been that from a program standpoint. Kelly has worked to get this program to a reloading level (and he hasn't, and I doubt it's even possible at Notre Dame to be honest), but has had them on an every-other-year plan since he got here. 2010 built for 2011, 2012 built for 2013, and 2014 built for 2015. Turnovers doomed 2011, Golson's suspension doomed 2013. The jury is out on 2015 obviously. But the important point is please let's not act like we're getting the "next year, next year" talk after high expectations fail. NO ONE should have had great expectations for 2014, just like they didn't in 2012.

On the "Notre Dame doesn't reload" bit, I'd argue historically that's been the case for decades. It's just not a football factory and we should act like it. In modern times, there hasn't been a triumphant team return to win it all the next season, just look at the previous records the year before winning it all:

1987: 8-4
1976: 9-3
1973: 8-3
1965: 7-2-1

Simply saying, winning 10+ games with rebuilding squads isn't exactly common at Notre Dame.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

One has won 46% of his games, the other has won 73%.



Since offense is normally split into skill and OL, you're saying that only 3/4 of the team needed to be replaced. Or, to put it more simply, that Weis can't coach worth a shit outside of being an OC.

Then keep in mind that Lewis-Moore said he wasn't even during squats under Weis, Longo had to install that when he first got here. So add that to the list. Guys were dropping weight like crazy during the season and getting physically dominated in November every year. ND got a reminder of that his year when they played freshmen and sophomores, Weis fielded teams with the physicality of freshmen and sophomores every single season. Let's not forget that.



Or switch it around and just give Brian Kelly Jimmy Clausen and see what happens.



In 2005 an 2006 alone--Weis' best teams--they were blown out four times. That's only happened as many times in Kelly's five years here. In Weis' five years the embarrassment of being totally outclassed physically and strategically was felt ~15 times.



These two sentences don't make sense toegther. The implosion of Weis' program has really no comparison at all with Kelly.



I'm in agreement with you here. 2015 is make or break for Kelly.



It's never been that from a program standpoint. Kelly has worked to get this program to a reloading level (and he hasn't, and I doubt it's even possible at Notre Dame to be honest), but has had them on an every-other-year plan since he got here. 2010 built for 2011, 2012 built for 2013, and 2014 built for 2015. Turnovers doomed 2011, Golson's suspension doomed 2013. The jury is out on 2015 obviously. But the important point is please let's not act like we're getting the "next year, next year" talk after high expectations fail. NO ONE should have had great expectations for 2014, just like they didn't in 2012.

On the "Notre Dame doesn't reload" bit, I'd argue historically that's been the case for decades. It's just not a football factory and we should act like it. In modern times, there hasn't been a triumphant team return to win it all the next season, just look at the previous records the year before winning it all:

1987: 8-4
1976: 9-3
1972: 8-3FIFY
1965: 7-2-1

Simply saying, winning 10+ games with rebuilding squads isn't exactly common at Notre Dame.

Good points on all accounts. I would argue though that as recently as the 88-93 era, ND was a football factory (in a good sense). With Lou Holtz as HC & Vinny Cerrato as the recruiting coordinator, they really did reload every year. Did they stumble and drop some games that woud have had them in the NC hunt? Sure, but it wasn't from lack of talent.

 

[Crazy Balki]

A lot of ND's issues with reloading, at least in the Kelly era, derive from the collapsing junior and senior classes. By year 5, I would've expected a consistently good team, but given the 2011 and 2012 classes as they currently stand, it makes sense how this has stunted the growth of the program. 2011 started out really good, but has since flopped due to transfers, suspensions, early departures and injuries. 2012, much of the same, except it was already short on bodies to begin with. Long story short, when you only have about 20 or so upperclassmen, most of which were lower ranked players (2-4 star guys), you can see why this team has struggled.

 

[Irishnuke]

Ummmmmmmm......what is happening here? Took a whopping one day off, and 60 pages appear of who will replace Kelly. WTF is going on?

Oh you know, the usual...nothing.

 

[stlnd01]

A lot of ND's issues with reloading, at least in the Kelly era, derive from the collapsing junior and senior classes. By year 5, I would've expected a consistently good team, but given the 2011 and 2012 classes as they currently stand, it makes sense how this has stunted the growth of the program. 2011 started out really good, but has since flopped due to transfers, suspensions, early departures and injuries. 2012, much of the same, except it was already short on bodies to begin with. Long story short, when you only have about 20 or so upperclassmen, most of which were lower ranked players (2-4 star guys), you can see why this team has struggled.

Indeed.
Not to make excuses, but picture this year's team with:
Tuitt
Lynch
Vanderdoes
Ishaq
Jarrett Grace
Tee Shepherd
K Russell
Davonte Neal
Daniels
Niklas
Atkinson
Kiel

Or even with half of them.
It's tough to "reload" when you lose half of your elite guys to random fire along the way.