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What do you guys think of this new Eagles team? This is History in the making if you want to believe that.... Defenses will try to stop this but it's another breed of defensive player that's gonna have to turn into a hybrid speed/bulk to stop what's about to happen!
 

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Seems to be working pretty well. But the Eagles do have more athleticism on O than most teams.
 

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Not sure about the athleticism part.. we're talking about guys getting paid millions... to do their job! This is about to get interesting enough to get exciting! NFL turned into a bunch of over-paid, walk- through till the playoff's type of system! LOVE IT!
 

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Just the next exciting thing that will fade.
 

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Just the next exciting thing that will fade.

I don't think it will fade completely away but with QB's getting paid the money they get paid, the owners are not going to want them getting hit as often as they will. The NFL is still a passing league.
 

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Washington's D sucks more than Philadelphia's offense looks good. I say a good D puts Vick in the hospital.
 

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It's fun to watch though.....till someone gets hurt.
 

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I don't think it will fade completely away but with QB's getting paid the money they get paid, the owners are not going to want them getting hit as often as they will. The NFL is still a passing league.

What about Chip's offensive play calling isn't about passing yourself into a run?
 
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It took an entire half and a few minutes for their offense to slow down and Vick to get hurt.
 

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There's a place for this offense in the NFL, but only in bursts. It can't work full-time due to injuries. Chip knows this, there's a reason he drafted the way he did. I'd expect their O to look more like the Niners by the end of the year.
 

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What do I think? The next big ESPN hype job. I love the Eagles but this isn't anything thats groundbreaking in any way. I loved how the announcers kept bringing up play count. The Eagles ran 77 plays compared to the Redskins 70. While yesterday the Patriots ran 88. Seriously this will be like the pitch count in the MLB, everyone will be crazy about the number of plays and a target for each game.
 

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Next year it will be as popular as

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what I see changing is the QB position; just like how to RB position has changed over the last 20years, the QB I can see changing in a similar way. I think your gonna see less and less of the 10-year decade long franchise QB, and more of a QB that their careers are shorter and less focused on pocket passing, and more focused on mobility/passing. (which will translate to shorter careers for the obvious reasons).

of course there will always be exceptions along the way
 

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I think you'll just see QBs that are a lot better athletes. Stronger, faster guys that aren't necessarily classified as running QBs, but they can rip off big chunks of yards as the opportunity presents itself.
 

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It took an entire half and a few minutes for their offense to slow down and Vick to get hurt.

This.

These coaches are too smart, and the players are all big and fast in the NFL. There are no Nichols States to beat up on.
 

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Its all fun and games til your 20 million per year qb gets broken in half. At least Vick is cheap.
 

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I need to see a much larger sample size before I buy into a new age revolution concept...
 

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The bubble screen with the read option and the TE running up the seam was a thing of beauty. So many options (Throw the bubble, Vick run, McCoy run, throw the seam).

I think it was the second TD but they ran the same play numerous times
 

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It's, to an extent, the wave of the future. It's already changed how we think about quarterbacking and offense. Will the whole spread option become the future of the NFL lock, stock, and barrel? No of course not.

However mobile athletic QBs will be more highly sought after and zone reading has already started to happen in the NFL. And of course no huddle and hurry up offenses are becoming popular. One reason that the spread option is so attractive is you don't need a stud QB like Manning, Brees, or Brady to have success.

Traditional NFL offenses require a QB who can drop back, hang tough in the pocket, and read and react to defenses. This requires a high level of sophistication and it's the reason that QB contracts are so ridiculous and guys like Joe Flacco get way more money than they're worth because such a premium is placed on the QB. However if you run a spread style offense the QB isn't asked to do nearly as much dropping back and reading of defenses. I think that's part of the reason young kids like RGIII, Kaepernick, and Wilson can have such quick success, they just simply aren't asked to do as much. Of course those guys are very good and eventually will probably begin to handle a more traditional offense if so desired.

Most of the passes in the zone read offense are quick and don't require standing in the pocket letting long routes develop. Those who criticize the spread transitioning to the NFL because "20 million dollar QBs will get hurt," don't realize that the spread takes the premium off of elite QB play and place it more on solid blocking, running, and stretching the field. If QBs aren't held in such high regard and it's no longer considered as vital to have a "franchise" QB, contracts will start to fall. When I was younger the the maxim was "running and defense wins championships," however almost no one thinks like that anymore. Running back used to be considered a very important position and RBs were huge stars now most teams consider a running game an afterthought. (Outside my beloved Vikings of course.) Teams like the Colts (with Manning and without), the Patriots, the Packers, the Falcons, and the Saints have recently had success without much of a running game or even good defenses. Even the Vikings in 2009 with Favre our running game was complimentary to our passing attack.

My point is the game has changed and evolved and it will change and evolve again. More uptempo, spread style attacks with quick athletic QBs are the future. Even up to last year I thought the spread was a gimmick and I didn't like it however after really watching Oregon and studying the spread I become a believer.

Though they're made by an Oregon fan, these tutorials are the best breakdowns of the inside and outside zone read I've ever seen:
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The bubble screen with the read option and the TE running up the seam was a thing of beauty. So many options (Throw the bubble, Vick run, McCoy run, throw the seam).

I think it was the second TD but they ran the same play numerous times
Chip Kelly's offense only runs a limited amount of plays mostly based off of the IZR and the OZR.
 
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