If Floyd Leaves

[IrishBlood81]

Okay...so say he stays this year, but this applies even more if he doesn't, and he leaves us next year, I have seen nothing of possible recruits of WR that are tall and built like Floyd.

What do we do?! If he does leave this year....what do we do?! You guys know any recruits that would at the very least be around the 6.2ft + area?




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[Dr. Lou]

D daniels is 6-3 if i am not mistaken

 

[chyrspchuck]

George Atkinson III is 6'2 or 6'3 I think....

 

[GreatGolson]

^ Daniels looked very promising in the UA all america game

 

[Dr. Lou]

Also Rivals.com has Davaris Daniels at 6-3 190
While scouts.com has him listed at 6-2 175
Really, these 2 sites crack me up. 4 star no 5 star no 3 star. 150 no 160, 4.3 fourty no 4.4 forty.

 

[ndjish]

I really hope he stays but either way i will be shocked if one of these two isnt playing next fall.

 

[Riddickulous]

Sophomore-to-be Daniel Smith is 6'4", 215 and has been named as a standout in practice multiple times. He's an option.

 

[KPENN]

Honestly haven't thought about it cause I don't think we have anything to worry about IMO. I don't think he's leaving

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Goodman is 6'3...and FAST!

 

[calidomer43]

with our offense this year we didnt throw the fade to mike like we did in charlies offense...different scheme allows FAST wideouts to make catches and get YAC ...IMO

 

[Riddickulous]

Goodman is 6'3...and FAST!

He didn't look very good when he played this year.

 

[ND NYC]

I could be in the minority here but im not overly worried about the ND offense in a general sense putting up points for the long haul.

Its the other side of the ball that needs to get back to being dominant on a long term and consistent basis.

To use Kelly's phrase i think we are ok with "next man in" in his offense long term and for purpose of this thread with or without floyd...but defense not so much across the board.

kelly lost a starting QB, a starting RB, a starting TE (and Floyd/Reddick for some games too) mid season and we did fine

2-2-11 very important day for all of us (got to have those sigs in the front 7)

 

[Riddickulous]

I could be in the minority here but im not overly worried about the ND offense in a general sense putting up points for the long haul.

Its the other side of the ball that needs to get back to being dominant on a long term and consistent basis.

To use Kelly's phrase i think we are ok with "next man in" in his offense long term and for purpose of this thread with or without floyd...but defense not so much across the board.

kelly lost a starting QB, a starting RB, a starting TE (and Floyd/Reddick for some games too) mid season and we did fine

2-2-11 very important day for all of us (got to have those sigs in the front 7)

He went 11-3 at Cincinatti and played 5 different QBs. The offense will be fine.

And I agree, the defense is the much bigger issue.

 

[BGIF]

Okay...so say he stays this year, but this applies even more if he doesn't, and he leaves us next year, I have seen nothing of possible recruits of WR that are tall and built like Floyd.

What do we do?! If he does leave this year....what do we do?! You guys know any recruits that would at the very least be around the 6.2ft + area?


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There are several , Goodman, Walker, Smith, Daniels, that are as tall, 6'3" as Floyd, with a faster reported 40 than Floyd. None have Floyd's weight/muscle. He's bulit more like a small TE than a WR. None of themn at this point have exhibited Floyd skill level nor productivity. Kamara was taller and just as heavy but had fewer catches and yards than the 6'-0" Jones or 5'-8" Toma.

Come next season they could be a better fit for Kelly's offense than Michael has been to date. He's put up good numbers but not the great numbers expected. 79 catches/1025 yds/12 TD were big numbers in Tom Gatewood's and Tony Hunter's day but they also played a couple less games in the regular season and bowl game stats weren't added into season stats. Crist's Spread learning curve, then injury, followed by Rees rookie learning curve and arm strength contributed to Floyd's not have a Golden year but then Micheal didn't dominate games like Tate did last year. Floyd had 4, 100 yd games but only one was over 110 yds, WMU with 157 and 3 TDs.

The Riddick, Jones, Goodman, Walker, Smith, Daniels, Jackson, et al WR Corps will have more overall speed than than this year's group, will still have height, (add 6-6 Eifert, 6-4 Welch and 6-5 Koyack at TE), an additional years experience in Kelly's scheme (same for the QBs, and OLine, and an additional year of Longo conditioning. Collectively I expect the '11 Receiving Corps to be more productive than the '10 group and not a one of them will have been a 5 star recruit.

Here's Rivals Recruiting HT, WT, 40, Stars, and Rating followed by 2010 Ht and Wt from ND Media reports:

	Rivals		40	Stars	Rating	ND Media	
Michael Floyd 	6'3"	195	4.6	5	6.1	6'3"	227
Duvall Kamara	6'5”	209	4.6	4	6	6'4”	225
							
John Goodman	6'4"	192	4.5	3	5.7	6'3"	207
Deion Walker 	6'4"	186	4.4	4	5.8	6'3"	198
							
Roby Toma	5'9"	160	4.5	3	5.5	5'9"	175
Theo Riddick 	5'10"	185	4.4	4	5.8	5'11"	198
							
Bennett Jackson	6'1"	165	4.4	3	5.7	6'0"	172
Tai-ler Jones	6'0"	184	4.5	4	5.8	5'11"	187
Collinsworth	6'0"	178	4.7	3	5.5	6'1"	195
Daniel Smith	6'4"	205	4.6	3	5.6	6'4"	208
George Atkinson	6'2"	194	4.4	4	5.8		
Davaris Daniels	6'3"	190	4.5	4	5.8

 

[Sherm Sticky]

There are several , Goodman, Walker, Smith, Daniels, that are as tall, 6'3" as Floyd, with a faster reported 40 than Floyd. None have Floyd's weight/muscle. He's bulit more like a small TE than a WR. None of themn at this point have exhibited Floyd skill level nor productivity. Kamara was taller and just as heavy but had fewer catches and yards than the 6'-0" Jones or 5'-8" Toma.

Come next season they could be a better fit for Kelly's offense than Michael has been to date. He's put up good numbers but not the great numbers expected. 79 catches/1025 yds/12 TD were big numbers in Tom Gatewood's and Tony Hunter's day but they also played a couple less games in the regular season and bowl game stats weren't added into season stats. Crist's Spread learning curve, then injury, followed by Rees rookie learning curve and arm strength contributed to Floyd's not have a Golden year but then Micheal didn't dominate games like Tate did last year. Floyd had 4, 100 yd games but only one was over 110 yds, WMU with 157 and 3 TDs.

The Riddick, Jones, Goodman, Walker, Smith, Daniels, Jackson, et al WR Corps will have more overall speed than than this year's group, will still have height, (add 6-6 Eifert, 6-4 Welch and 6-5 Koyack at TE), an additional years experience in Kelly's scheme (same for the QBs, and OLine, and an additional year of Longo conditioning. Collectively I expect the '11 Receiving Corps to be more productive than the '10 group and not a one of them will have been a 5 star recruit.

Here's Rivals Recruiting HT, WT, 40, Stars, and Rating followed by 2010 Ht and Wt from ND Media reports:

	Rivals		40	Stars	Rating	ND Media	
Michael Floyd 	6'3"	195	4.6	5	6.1	6'3"	227
Duvall Kamara	6'5”	209	4.6	4	6	6'4”	225
							
John Goodman	6'4"	192	4.5	3	5.7	6'3"	207
Deion Walker 	6'4"	186	4.4	4	5.8	6'3"	198
							
Roby Toma	5'9"	160	4.5	3	5.5	5'9"	175
Theo Riddick 	5'10"	185	4.4	4	5.8	5'11"	198
							
Bennett Jackson	6'1"	165	4.4	3	5.7	6'0"	172
Tai-ler Jones	6'0"	184	4.5	4	5.8	5'11"	187
Collinsworth	6'0"	178	4.7	3	5.5	6'1"	195
Daniel Smith	6'4"	205	4.6	3	5.6	6'4"	208
George Atkinson	6'2"	194	4.4	4	5.8		
Davaris Daniels	6'3"	190	4.5	4	5.8

Man it is so great to have you back BGIF!

 

[irishff1014]

Daniels will replace Floyd next year but he is just not ready to step up and do that his freshman year and shouldn't be. Goodman yea his hieght is about the only thing going for him. I would be sweet for him to stay this year.

 

[irish1958]

Daniels will replace Floyd next year but he is just not ready to step up and do that his freshman year and shouldn't be. Goodman yea his hieght is about the only thing going for him. I would be sweet for him to stay this year.

Goodman can catch punts; no great return yards but no fumbles, flubs drops, poor judgement. Holtz would have loved to have had him. He lost at least two games because of punt fumbles.
The reason Goodman did so much fair catching was because our special teams couldn't block or delay the opponent's gunners, and the line didn't do much better on the rest of the opponent's special team players. This was true on kickoffs also.
With so much to do, the coaching staff really didn't develop a good special teams program. I hope it will be better next season.

 

[Ben E.]

Man it is so great to have you back BGIF!

+1

 

[mick2]

is collinsworth going to play offense because that kick return had me excited

 

[rtrn2glory]

you have to remember too how much of a rare talent a guy like floyd is, regardless of his size. sure the size helps, but his instincts, ball skills, and physicality are what make him such a great receiver. if you're taking only size into consideration duval kamara should have been an all american.

hopefully he stays and gives those young guys we're talking about a year to learn under him and become more comfortable. asking those guys to come in and do what floyd did as a freshman might be asking a little too much.

 

[IrishBlood81]

thanks a lot fellas! I can sleep a little better now.
I hadn't heard of Daniels before so he defo seems like an option.
Goodman is NOT an option. His play was way below average and i would never call him fast.
To me he looks very uncoordinated and I pray he is not our replacement for Floyd.

I'm pretty sure Floyd stays as well..its 2012 that I was mostly worried about.


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[IrishBlood81]

Double post sorry
so I might as well say I'm THRILLED to hear that Aaron decommitted!!!!! whoooooooooo

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[rtrn2glory]

At best...hopefully we can get at least a Robby Parris like performance out of Goodie his last couple of years. Kid's track fast, but for whatever reason has not translated to the speed I thought he had on the football field.

Doesn't say much for Bishop Dwenger either unfortunately.

 

[DillonHall]

I've never liked Goodman, but I remember Kelly saying toward the end of the year that he'd been looking good in practice. Also, I thought he looked pretty fast after his catch in the Sun Bowl. In any case, it would be awesome for the team if Floyd came back. He's not only a great player but also a great leader (I think he was offensive captain 5 times).

 

[TDHeysus]

Okay...so say he stays this year, but this applies even more if he doesn't, and he leaves us next year, I have seen nothing of possible recruits of WR that are tall and built like Floyd.

What do we do?! If he does leave this year....what do we do?! You guys know any recruits that would at the very least be around the 6.2ft + area?

I dont think there is a player on the team that will fill Floyd's role. Because I believe Floyd is a unique WR in ND history (at least recent history). I think ND is stocked with good WR's, but not a #1, go to WR-type like Floyd. But when has ND had that before? Smardjiza was more of a johnny-on-the-spot type, rather than a flat-out go-to, ride or die type player. Take the Miami game, BK and Rees has said in post game interviews the game plan was to get the ball to Floyd early and often. How many WR's on next years team can BK put that type of responsibility on?

then you have the unknown of college football...maybe one of the guy on the team next year has a break out year, and has a Golden Tate type of year. I'm not too worried about the WR position because I believe they are a compotent bunch, even if there appears to not be any break out stars at the position.

 

[eNDzone]

I could be in the minority here but im not overly worried about the ND offense in a general sense putting up points for the long haul.

Its the other side of the ball that needs to get back to being dominant on a long term and consistent basis.

To use Kelly's phrase i think we are ok with "next man in" in his offense long term and for purpose of this thread with or without floyd...but defense not so much across the board.

kelly lost a starting QB, a starting RB, a starting TE (and Floyd/Reddick for some games too) mid season and we did fine

2-2-11 very important day for all of us (got to have those sigs in the front 7)

See thread Solid Defense and then tell me you are still worried about the D.

 

[IrishBlood81]

I dont think there is a player on the team that will fill Floyd's role. Because I believe Floyd is a unique WR in ND history (at least recent history). I think ND is stocked with good WR's, but not a #1, go to WR-type like Floyd. But when has ND had that before? Smardjiza was more of a johnny-on-the-spot type, rather than a flat-out go-to, ride or die type player. Take the Miami game, BK and Rees has said in post game interviews the game plan was to get the ball to Floyd early and often. How many WR's on next years team can BK put that type of responsibility on?

then you have the unknown of college football...maybe one of the guy on the team next year has a break out year, and has a Golden Tate type of year. I'm not too worried about the WR position because I believe they are a compotent bunch, even if there appears to not be any break out stars at the position.

Yeah, your totally right. I'm just hoping that, and obviously he is, that Kelly is actively REALLY looking for a Floyd 2 for 2012.
He is so huge for our offence we gotta get somebody that the Defense fears.


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[Old Man Mike]

Mike Floyd was/is one in a million, so lets not talk of anyone being Mike Floyd. We however can well survive it if he goes. Goodman is a lot better than people are giving him credit for [we, by the way, rarely had a returnable punt kicked to us and I was delighted that {with the exception of one game where his eyes were crossed and he ham-handed everything,} he was our punt receiver---and didn't try to run with gunners right in his shirt.]

Secondly, Kelly has been high on Daniel Smith ever since the opening of summer practice, but with Floyd, Riddick, and TJ, plus the vets, saw no reason to push him in there yet---in fact I was surprised that he let him in on the kick coverages later. He has also praised Collingsworth.

Daniels and AIII are going to be instant threats. Kelly's problems there are strategic--to play or redshirt due to us being loaded with talent. Kelly has said that some freshmen force you to play them because they're just too good not to. We'll look for that out of the two newbies. If we see either of them sneaking into the lineup like TJ did, we'll know we're really loaded.

I'm continuously astonished at how good the depth on this team is generally, though in some areas developmental. Fortunately, it seems that this staff is very good at coaching & polishing gems.

 

[Rudy89]

Im just hopin he stays especiallly now that rudy is gone. Im sure someone will step up but floyd is just one in a million and id love for him to stay because he deserves to play in a bcs bowl

 

[choo choo]

Man it is so great to have you back BGIF!

i'll second that...good stuff bgif...thanks