Horrible Alleged PSU Scandal

[aubeirish]

I knew gingers didn't have any souls.

All kidding aside, McQueary not telling the police of what he saw sickens me. He should be fired and banned from college football altogether. I will leave it at that.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Anyone here get the feeling the BOT is kinda fumbling this...whats going on here? How can you fire everyone except McQueery? Makes me wonder what in the hell is going on.

BOT being handcuffed by the AG? Do they need to keep him because of a deal? Seriously, why is this guy still employed?

it is believed that he falls under the state of Pennsylvania's "whistle-blower status". Link.

Which due to his position at the outset and his subsequent informing of Coach Paterno, he and his job is protected.

 

[phgreek]

it is believed that he falls under the state of Pennsylvania's "whistle-blower status". Link.

Which due to his position at the outset and his subsequent informing of Coach Paterno, he and his job is protected.

makes sense to me if he instigated this...but he didn't. Highschool administrators started this, and he apparently answered questions honestly...but thats not the same as a whistle blower in my book.

I don't know...maybe he heard about this latest investigation, and came forward...I guess that works. I guess we'll see.

If he is, why wouldn't someone just say he is a whistle blower...would probably stop the threats and questions.

 

[tko]

He's going to have to become Eric Gustafson.

 

[woolybug25]

If he is, why wouldn't someone just say he is a whistle blower...would probably stop the threats and questions.

I don't think the threats are coming from people that are unaware of him telling his story to Paterno. The threats are coming from people that are infuriated that he walked away from a kid that was in the middle of being molested.

Can't say I blame them, but unfortunately, he is also the key witness in the case. I think that has more to do with his preferable treatment than being a whistle-blower. He is the only eye witness to one of counts. That being said, he is also a coward of the worst kind.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I don't think the threats are coming from people that are unaware of him telling his story to Paterno. The threats are coming from people that are infuriated that he walked away from a kid that was in the middle of being molested.

Can't say I blame them, but unfortunately, he is also the key witness in the case. I think that has more to do with his preferable treatment than being a whistle-blower. He is the only eye witness to one of counts. That being said, he is also a coward of the worst kind.

It's a tough situation... What would a man do in the face of adversity.

Everyone is a hardass here...I get it.

But a young man, coming up in the ranks sees something which isn't right by someone of rank, I can see how he reacted as he did. Keep in mind fellas, not everyone is alpha male, raging with hormones, looking for their next taste of meat, beating the s!hit out of each other..... His first instinct, was to lean on someone whom he trusted....his dad. Now, this is where things go wrong....I'm gonna be honest here.... I probably would have looked for some counsel myself based on what I saw. That said, his pops did him no favors in going to Paterno instead of the law. That guy's been dead for 25 years...Does anyone with a pulse think he's going to rat out a member of his "Greatest Coaching Scam Of All Time" tour just to lose out on his handsome paycheck and rocking chair dedication and free vacations at the end of the journey?

Pops should have instructed McQueary to immediately call police upon hearing the full details. The hell with chain of command, the hell with Joe Poo Poopie pants....ALL OF THEM. I'm sick to death of this situation and I'm sick to death that little boys were molested at the hands of a so called man who's ...........I'm gonna leave it at that because I'm getting really angry.

God bless the kids involved. I can only hope they find peace and an end game in all of this... I can't imagine the pain they've been through.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

As they peal this onion back...it gets uglier. Man....this makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

I dont know...any child being rapped (or anyone) and I was a witness and did nothing!? Doesnt take a ALPHA male to do something .... takes a decent person to do what is right.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I dont know...any child being rapped (or anyone) and I was a witness and did nothing!? Doesnt take a ALPHA male to do something .... takes a decent person to do what is right.

Completely understood.... Just gives a man a moment of pause and sometimes you lean on those you trust. That was my point. Pops gave the wrong advice.

It's tough to put ourselves in that type of situation when we've never been in it. It's always easier to comment from the outside when you're not faced with it.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Completely understood.... Just gives a man a moment of pause and sometimes you lean on those you trust. That was my point. Pops gave the wrong advice.

It's tough to put ourselves in that type of situation when we've never been in it. It's always easier to comment from the outside when you're not faced with it.

Fair enough...man this is so sad. I have a pit in my stomach.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Fair enough...man this is so sad. I have a pit in my stomach.

I'm with ya, brah...... I'm to the point of hugging my 10 year old son every time I see him. I'm so sick to my stomach it's not even funny. Every time I see that Shrek looking (Sandusky) mofo on tv I need to change the channel.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

I'm with ya, brah...... I'm to the point of hugging my 10 year old son every time I see him. I'm so sick to my stomach it's not even funny. Every time I see that Shrek looking (Sandusky) mofo on tv I need to change the channel.

Funny you say that...I have been hugging my 8 yo and 12 yo boys today..and they asked "dad, are you ok?"

 

[irishfan]

Kids at U. of Miami, USC, Ohio St. etc. also worked real hard their entire lives and are dealing with something they didn't have any part of. It happens. Plus, this isn't something that is outside of Penn State football, like something happened in State College. The football program is front and center in this. But people are going to have different takes on it. As for me, I could really care less for college football at this point. All the hero worship, money, and all the other BS that is part and parcel with this crime has made me pretty disgusted. And even though it's a Penn State deal, I don't feel much like watching any teams at this point. It just doesn't feel important right now.

I've tried looking at the whole thing as if I were a die hard PSU fan. I would want the season to be played out. Its a chance for the true fans to not only support their players who did nothing wrong, but to show that they are classy and don't represent the idiots that were outside rioting after JoePa was fired. Penn State is a big time program and has to move past this with class, and that can start now.

 

[woolybug25]

It's a tough situation... What would a man do in the face of adversity.

Everyone is a hardass here...I get it.

But a young man, coming up in the ranks sees something which isn't right by someone of rank, I can see how he reacted as he did. Keep in mind fellas, not everyone is alpha male, raging with hormones, looking for their next taste of meat, beating the s!hit out of each other..... His first instinct, was to lean on someone whom he trusted....his dad. Now, this is where things go wrong....I'm gonna be honest here.... I probably would have looked for some counsel myself based on what I saw. That said, his pops did him no favors in going to Paterno instead of the law. That guy's been dead for 25 years...Does anyone with a pulse think he's going to rat out a member of his "Greatest Coaching Scam Of All Time" tour just to lose out on his handsome paycheck and rocking chair dedication and free vacations at the end of the journey?

Pops should have instructed McQueary to immediately call police upon hearing the full details. The hell with chain of command, the hell with Joe Poo Poopie pants....ALL OF THEM. I'm sick to death of this situation and I'm sick to death that little boys were molested at the hands of a so called man who's ...........I'm gonna leave it at that because I'm getting really angry.

God bless the kids involved. I can only hope they find peace and an end game in all of this... I can't imagine the pain they've been through.

I get what you are saying, and I understand where you are going, but I believe that I have to stick with my original thoughts.

I feel every human being has a "flee or fight" instinct in them, and seeing a child being sodomized (sorry for the graphic term, but I want to make sure that everyone is clear on what McQueary saw) by an adult would trigger this mental fork in the road. I really don't think that it has anything to do with being a tough guy or being filled with testosterone. I think it has everything to do with what instinct gets triggered in a person during times of trauma.

In my opinion, I believe 90% of people would have taken immediate action to try to stop it. Whether that be to attack Sandusky or to simply start yelling and running to get help, most people would have done something other than running away and calling their daddy. McQueary will always be a coward in my opinion, and it has nothing to do with him not being a "tough guy" and trying to physically fight Sandusky, it has everything to do with simply being a "weak guy" and fleeing the situation leaving a child in their time of need. I would feel the same way whether he was a 28 year former QB or if he was a 92 year old crippled man. His "flight" triggered where most people would "fight".

 

[irishfan]

In my opinion, I believe 90% of people would have taken immediate action to try to stop it. Whether that be to attack Sandusky or to simply start yelling and running to get help, most people would have done something other than running away and calling their daddy. McQueary will always be a coward in my opinion, and it has nothing to do with him not being a "tough guy" and trying to physically fight Sandusky, it has everything to do with simply being a "weak guy" and fleeing the situation leaving a child in their time of need. I would feel the same way whether he was a 28 year former QB or if he was a 92 year old crippled man. His "flight" triggered where most people would "fight".

I agree completely, but what makes no sense is that there is a story of McQueary breaking up a knife fight between two players a couple of years ago. He seemed to be more of a "fight" than "flight" guy then. I don't want to defend the guy completely, but it seems like he was more caught in a conflicting situation where he would have to potentially put his career on the line to stop Sandusky and he froze.

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Pretty much how I feel about this situation. I think he sums it up the best. I can't believe they are actually have the nerve to keep McQueary on board and it going to coach the game on Sat. Penn St is sending a bad message to the nation about what they think is important.

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[BGIF]

Pretty much how I feel about this situation. I think he sums it up the best. I can't believe they are actually have the nerve to keep McQueary on board and it going to coach the game on Sat. Penn St is sending a bad message to the nation about what they think is important.

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McQueary is NOT coaching Saturday. He's on paid administrative leave.

Some people have posted that PSU can't terminate him due to a PA whistleblower law. I don't know if that's accurate OR pertains, IF he didn't tell Paterno, and/or Culver and those that wrote that investigative report the details he's now relating to the Grand Jury.

 

[BGIF]

I agree completely, but what makes no sense is that there is a story of McQueary breaking up a knife fight between two players a couple of years ago. He seemed to be more of a "fight" than "flight" guy then. I don't want to defend the guy completely, but it seems like he was more caught in a conflicting situation where he would have to potentially put his career on the line to stop Sandusky and he froze.

I hadn't read about a knife fight but I'm not sure that's not apples and oranges. Did he step in front of a knife, bark at the participants, throw a chair at them, threaten to call police? Was his action a physical interventation or a verbal one? It is his responsiblity as a coach to at least intervene verbally with his players. IF he didn't would he lose his job for failure to supervise?

Your last sentence deals with a much different scenario. Here it wasn't a couple of young men, 19 or 20 years old players but a situation with a child and grown man, a powerfully built man. Here it wasn't in his job description to supervise a young boy and a retired former employee BUT as a man he came upon a questionable scene OR terrible scene depending upon the version. He now describes a terrible scene more graphic from that which Paterno, Curley, et al claim he described he years ago. IF he did observe sexual contact with a child, he was at the "fork in the road" and went home.

It makes me think of Chappaquidick where someone thought of his career and also didn't notify anybody until the next day. (I sure there's similar examples on both sides of the aisle so let's not go down the politics road.) My point is about a man failing to get notify anyone until a day or so later.

 

[BGIF]

Didn't see this one posted here

Didn't see this one posted here

Sandusky Made $457G From Pennsylvania Charity Despite Child Sex Allegations, Tax Records Show | Fox News

Sandusky founded his charity, The Second Mile, in 1977 as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys. In 2001, the charity began paying Sandusky an annual "consulting" fee of $57,000, tax documents reviewed by FoxNews.com show. The fees added up to $457,000 over eight years.

In November 2008, Sandusky informed the charity that he had learned he was being investigated as a result of allegations made against him by a young man in Pennsylvania's Clinton County. The consulting fees abruptly ended after 2008.

...

Thus, from 2008 to present, Mr. Sandusky has had no involvement with Second Mile programs involving children.

New Characters ...

But in 1998, according to a grand jury report, Victim No. 6, who is now 24, told his mother he had showered with Sandusky in Penn State's Holuba Hall. Wendell Courtney, Penn State's general counsel, reviewed that report on behalf of the university before submitting it to then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar.

Courtney reportedly also represented The Second Mile at the time.

Courtney didn't respond to FoxNews.com's request for comment for this story, though on Wednesday, he told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that he did not begin to represent The Second Mile until early 2009, calling reports to the contrary "factually incorrect." He told the Post-Gazette that he didn't inform the Second Mile a sexual abuse investigation had been conducted at Penn State, and he withdrew as the organization's counsel on Monday over conflict of interest concerns.

A spokesman for Attorney General Linda Kelly, however, disputed Courtney's claim.

"It's clear from the findings of the grand jury that Mr. Courtney had direct dealings with both Penn State and The Second Mile, and he had knowledge and was aware of the 1998 incident," spokesman Nils Frederiksen told the newspaper

Meanwhile, The Second Mile's CEO, Jack Raykovitz, has earned more than $1.3 million since 1998. Raykovitz was informed in 2002 by Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley -- who is now on paid administrative leave and faces criminal charges -- that an individual had reported to Curley that he was uncomfortable about seeing Sandusky in the locker room shower with a young boy.

"Mr. Curley also shared that the information had been internally reviewed and that there was no finding of wrongdoing," read a statement on The Second Mile's website. "At no time was The Second Mile made aware of the very serious allegations contained in the Grand Jury report."

 

[BGIF]

Articles on PSU General Counsel

Articles on PSU General Counsel

PSU made a change in 2010 after using a local firm for 5 decades.


A Penn State Attorney Who Reviewed The 1998 Police Report Against Jerry Sandusky Also Represented The Second Mile


Penn State Live - Penn State names new vice president and general counsel

 

[phork]

Just gets worse and worse.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Pretty much how I feel about this situation. I think he sums it up the best. I can't believe they are actually have the nerve to keep McQueary on board and it going to coach the game on Sat. Penn St is sending a bad message to the nation about what they think is important.

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Mark May nailed it.

 

[PJWhitfield]

I'm not surprised. Corporations, governments and institutions have a history of trying to hide scandals. People who spend their lives trying to get the choice positions in any organization don't get there by speaking truth. They get there because they have the suck-butt gene in abundance. They're more interested in playing the system than doing what's right.

 

[Irish Fam]

I think ESPN has had incredibly respectful coverage of this situation. Their reporters and analysts have said and done all of the right things from what I have seen

 

[BGIF]

Yet another wrinkle ...

Yet another wrinkle ...

It's being reported that the judge who released Sandusky on $100,000 unsecured bail did work for the Second Mile Foundation as an attorney yet didn't recuse herself for his case.

The L.A. Times and other news organizations have articles on the situation but they all seem to reference this deadspin link:

Judge Who Set Unsecured Bail For Jerry Sandusky Is a Second Mile Volunteer

 

[phgreek]

It's being reported that the judge who released Sandusky on $100,000 unsecured bail did work for the Second Mile Foundation as an attorney yet didn't recuse herself for his case.

The L.A. Times and other news organizations have articles on the situation but they all seem to reference this deadspin link:

Judge Who Set Unsecured Bail For Jerry Sandusky Is a Second Mile Volunteer

These folks are simply unbelieveable...This thing won't be unwound for a decade. It gets sicker and more twisted every day.

I read a couple pieces that talked about how Sandusky has gotten off lighter than the others in terms of the media coverage...got me thinking, it could well be the same on the civil and criminal side of things too. Lets compare to Curley as an example...Assume both guys are convicted.

Civil:
Sandusky: I bet we find out there is no real money to be had by bringing civil action upon him...he knew this was a possibility for quite some time...money is off shore
Curley: Obviously never saw this coming, and will be financially crushed by the end

Criminal:
Sandusky: He can negotiate to give names such that his vicitms can be found and supported. That is worth a ton to the state, and he can work a significantly reduced sentence.
Curley: Nothing he can really say that the state doesn't already know. Whatever the sentence is the sentence.

I predict NO ONE is going to be happy with this outcome...and justice may not appear to be served....

...I'd be OK with all of it if folks that were impacted by Sandusky got the help they needed. But that is a lesson and then some...if you cover, YOU get burned the worst...maybe its as it should be.

 

[BobD]

It's being reported that the judge who released Sandusky on $100,000 unsecured bail did work for the Second Mile Foundation as an attorney yet didn't recuse herself for his case.

The L.A. Times and other news organizations have articles on the situation but they all seem to reference this deadspin link:

Judge Who Set Unsecured Bail For Jerry Sandusky Is a Second Mile Volunteer

Wow! Is there not an ethical or moral leader left in Pennsylvania?

 

[johnnyoooo]

Paterno A Cult

Paterno A Cult

ESPN showed pictures of the Paterno fans kneeling in front of his house literally in a vigil. This suggests to me that Joe Paterno eroded into a God like cult figure with his staff and the Penn State Adminstration his followers. What is the old Lord Acton quote " Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely ". A former assistant coach commented that Sandusky was strange and had a habit of coming up to close to players and fellow coaches. He added the coaches had a ritual he found real strange they all showered together. So more is slowly creeping out about Sandusky. Not sure if Mark Madden is on to something mentioning Sandusky may have been pimping kids off to big buck donors but would not surprise me. Told you in previous blogs in New York Organized Crime dominates teen porn and teen hooking. But tend to doubt that is the case with Sandusky being associated with them. My educated guess now why Sandusky was allowed to continue on so long was Paterno and his cult just got totally morally corrupt blinded by their absolute cult powers. Like Doctor Faust they made their deal with the " Devil ".

 

[johnnyoooo]

Money Is Power

Money Is Power

Keep in mind Penn State off their football program pulled in ninty four million dollar in profits. So a lot of assistant coaches and staff were more then beholden not to rock the boat. Mix that factor with the cult of Joe Paterno, the blind arrogance of power and and then you beget classical evil. I am starting to suspect now Sandusky may have been involved sexually with staff too based on what a former coach hinted at. If so this scandal may spread to a homosexual ring among the coaching staff too. Keep in mind regards McQuaery he is being kept on only because he is a key witness against Paterno, the two arrested and possibly many others. I am convinced more shocking facts will come out down the road and suspect eventually more arrests. Truly we are down in one of Dante's Inferno levels and think it will end up in a even lower level before all is discovered.

 

[phork]

Not sure if this was posted in this thread, but the DA at the time of the McQueary shower surprise ended up going missing and is assumed dead. His car was found abandoned and his laptop in the river without hard drive.