Horrible Alleged PSU Scandal

[greyhammer90]

greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
Going to Joe Pa press conference. Was told not to ask non-football questions. I didn't come here to talk fullbacks

This is going to get real nasty real fast.

 

[WaveDomer]

I think some of things that needs to be thought about are these:

-McQueary tells Paterno that he saw a disturbing incident involving Sandusky and a child.
-Sandusky has had prior troubles in this area.
-Sandusky, although not a coach anymore, has access to facilities etc.
-If McQueary's allegation is true, you have to be shocked to see Sandusky on campus and using the facilities.
-If McQueary's allegation is untrue, you have to be shocked to see McQueary roaming the sidelines at PSU for a decade.

So which is it? This isn't some secondhand allegation. This is an "eyewitness" allegation. If he is telling the truth, you are not following up on a situation regarding an old man and a child and not asking questions about why this guy is still on campus. If it's not true, you just hired someone to be your coach who is either a lunatic or a tremendous liar. It doesn't wash.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Does anyone have a link for the 12:20 presser? I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in watching this potential debacle...

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Does anyone have a link for the 12:20 presser? I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in watching this potential debacle...

Press conference cancelled. Train wreck averted

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Someone has to say something. Penn state football will not be a focus until someone addresses this.

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Someone has to say something. Penn state football will not be a focus until someone addresses this.

Actually, to avoid a PR disaster they do not have to say anything. I think that was the biggest downfall for Ohio St because more and more **** will come out and saying something could bite you in the *** later on. They tried to cover it up once, what makes you think they aren't already covering there tracks now?

 

[mgriff]

I stand behind every comment I've made here. Even if Sandusky isn't convicted, there are many people at Penn St., who should have done a lot more. It's not about a school, a football program, an iconic coach or the written law. It's about morality, the protection of children and doing the right thing. I've made it clear where I stand, I also respect (and I've defended) the rights of others to voice their opinion.


Oxbowesque? Thats not even a word dude! : )........yeah, you had me for a minute, I had to look. I didn't go to college, I was in the Army.

Now you respect opinions, after you kindly asked me to delete mine. In any event, you can feel moral laws were violated, they may have been. But JoePa was not a witness, he did not and could not conduct an investigation because of his ties to the man. So he reported it to those who would and should have conducted an investigation. A report yielded nothing so what was he supposed to do? Act on the conclusion he was given that nothing had occured? Look, we can agree to disagree here but how about critiquing my views and not calling for their outright dismissal? BGIF beat me to the point about how we reacted to both of the incidents involving the ND program over the last year, and some apparent inconsistencies when the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[BobD]

Now you respect opinions, after you kindly asked me to delete mine. In any event, you can feel moral laws were violated, they may have been. But JoePa was not a witness, he did not and could not conduct an investigation because of his ties to the man. So he reported it to those who would and should have conducted an investigation. A report yielded nothing so what was he supposed to do? Act on the conclusion he was given that nothing had occured? Look, we can agree to disagree here but how about critiquing my views and not calling for their outright dismissal? BGIF beat me to the point about how we reacted to both of the incidents involving the ND program over the last year, and some apparent inconsistencies when the shoe is on the other foot.

I wasn't diisrepectful of your opinion, I just asked if you'd rethink what it was, you're trying to defend. His career is coming to a shameful end for good reason, why would someone try to defend his moral failure to do what was right? He can't even defend it. Sadly, this is how he'll be remembered, why would you want to go down with that ship?

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Now you respect opinions, after you kindly asked me to delete mine. In any event, you can feel moral laws were violated, they may have been. But JoePa was not a witness, he did not and could not conduct an investigation because of his ties to the man. So he reported it to those who would and should have conducted an investigation. A report yielded nothing so what was he supposed to do? Act on the conclusion he was given that nothing had occured? Look, we can agree to disagree here but how about critiquing my views and not calling for their outright dismissal? BGIF beat me to the point about how we reacted to both of the incidents involving the ND program over the last year, and some apparent inconsistencies when the shoe is on the other foot.

I know what I would have done. I would have walked up to him and straight judo chopped him in the collar bone followed by a swift gouging of the eyes. Straight KO that idiot. I am sure many others would do or feel the want to do the same. I guess there are two people in this world, people who would let this atrocity go on longer or people who would want this to end the second they heard word of the happenings. I know what kind of person I am and I also know what kind of person Paterno is too, sadly.

 

[BGIF]

I stand behind every comment I've made here. Even if Sandusky isn't convicted, there are many people at Penn St., who should have done a lot more. It's not about a school, a football program, an iconic coach or the written law. It's about morality, the protection of children and doing the right thing. I've made it clear where I stand, I also respect (and I've defended) the rights of others to voice their opinion.

I made my viewpoint clear 3 days ago:

Disturbing and despicable but unfortunately not an isolated incident.

Once again people in power closed ranks to protect the image of an institution over the protection of the innocent.

coach, priest, university president, bishop, teachers, police, school boards, DAs ...

I tied the coach, Sandusky, to another predator of the young, a priest. I tied a university president to the corresponding bishop. I noted the others who were in a postion to know, and ignored, or covered up. I was remiss in not noting the 28 year old man who could have taken immediate action. You chose to focus on one individual with hearsay and crucify him for future crimes of another.

Oxbowesque? Thats not even a word dude! : )........yeah, you had me for a minute, I had to look. I didn't go to college, I was in the Army.

I was in the Army too where chain of command was pounded into by head.

Oxbowesque is a word just as Arabesque, or Reganesque. "esque" is an adjective suffix which can be added to a word to denote a style or manner as to the Arabs, or Regan, or Oxbow or "BobD" (also not in the dictionary but can be used in a sentence).

I didn't learn about it in college (I was an engineering major considered to be the Phillistines of the collegiate world) nor in high school. I learned the usage of "esque" from St Helene in the 8th grade. She used to refer to male behavior she didn't approve of as being Cagneyesque (see White Heat).

Oxbow is from the book and movie, The Ox-Bow Incident. (My apology for not using the hypen.) The Ox-Bow Incident is about a group of people who acting on incomplete and incorrect information lynch 3 men to avenge an alleged murder and cattle rustling. Seven out of the 2 dozen or so in the posse call for due process, wanting to take the accused into town for a judge and jury to decide. The "moral majority" want their pound of flesh right then, they demand action, see no point in judge and jury, intimidate the due process Seven, and hang the 3 men. We later find out, the executed weren't guilty. The sheriff had the rustlers in custody and no one was murdered.

Good book, good movie, and relevant to Seeburg, Sullivan, and PSU.

 

[BobD]

I made my viewpoint clear 3 days ago:



I tied the coach, Sandusky, to another predator of the young, a priest. I tied a university president to the corresponding bishop. I noted the others who were in a postion to know, and ignored, or covered up. I was remiss in not noting the 28 year old man who could have taken immediate action. You chose to focus on one individual with hearsay and crucify him for future crimes of another.




I was in the Army too where chain of command was pounded into by head.

Oxbowesque is a word just as Arabesque, or Reganesque. "esque" is an adjective suffix which can be added to a word to denote a style or manner as to the Arabs, or Regan, or Oxbow or "BobD" (also not in the dictionary but can be used in a sentence).

I didn't learn about it in college (I was an engineering major considered to be the Phillistines of the collegiate world) nor in high school. I learned the usage of "esque" from St Helene in the 8th grade. She used to refer to male behavior she didn't approve of as being Cagneyesque (see White Heat).

Oxbow is from the book and movie, The Ox-Bow Incident. (My apology for not using the hypen.) The Ox-Bow Incident is about a group of people who acting on incomplete and incorrect information lynch 3 men to avenge an alleged murder and cattle rustling. Seven out of the 2 dozen or so in the posse call for due process, wanting to take the accused into town for a judge and jury to decide. The "moral majority" want their pound of flesh right then, they demand action, see no point in judge and jury, intimidate the due process Seven, and hang the 3 men. We later find out, the executed weren't guilty. The sheriff had the rustlers in custody and no one was murdered.

Good book, good movie, and relevant to Seeburg, Sullivan, and PSU.

Cool, Thanks?

 

[Irishpinoy]

Not sure if this has been posted but it's disgusting. This guys should hang by his balls....Grand jury report on alleged Penn State sex abuse - Los Angeles Times

 

[BGIF]

Exclusive: Victims Double In Penn State Case

Exclusive: Victims Double In Penn State Case
Updated: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 7:59 PM EST

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. - Fox 29 has learned the number of child-abuse in the Penn State sex-abuse scandal involving ex-coach Jerry Sandusky has more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims.

There were eight victims named in the grand jury presentment and 40 charges leveled against Sandusky, a long-time assistant to Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno. Paterno was not named in the grand jury finding as violating any laws.

Sources tell Fox 29 since a press conference on Monday, the number of potential victims has more than doubled in the case.

Sandusky was arrested in the case and made bail, while two Penn State administrators face charges related to how an alleged crime was reported in the case to police and investigators.

On Monday, state officials publicized two phone numbers for past victims to call, and within a day, it seems investigators have new leads.

Also on Monday, Pennsylvania state attorney general Linda Kelly said the Sandusky case was consideried an on-going investigation and more charges could be coming.

...

A preliminary hearing set for Wednesday was postponed until December 7th.

...

more at the LINK.

 

[Irish2015]

wow

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Exclusive: Victims Double In Penn State Case

Exclusive: Victims Double In Penn State Case
Updated: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 7:59 PM EST




more at the LINK.

Sounds about right. I knew this was going to snow ball.

 

[irish1958]

How many posters have read the grand jury report?
The lock step testimony of Paterno, Curley, Schultz, and Spanier that none of them were told by McQueary that he observed Sandusky sodomizing the child boggles the imagination and smells like lawyer talk to me. After hearing this report from McQueary on Saturday, Paterno waits Sunday to tell Curley, who then waits ten days to interview McQueary with Schultz and several weeks to tell Spanier.
And here is Mr Paterno's recent statement:
"As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report.

Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators. I understand that people are upset and angry, but let's be fair and let the legal process unfold."
Does anyone really believe this?
I suggest you read the grand jury testimony:
Grand jury report on alleged Penn State sex abuse - Los Angeles Times

This whole thing looks like a conspiracy to coverup a scandal from the top down to me. I can't find the testimony of Mr. Paterno or Mr. Spanier to be credible or even remotely believable.

 

[23145tp]

I hope everyone and I mean everyone gets burned on this one, LET THE JAIL TIME BEGIN!!!!!!

 

[mgriff]

I wasn't diisrepectful of your opinion, I just asked if you'd rethink what it was, you're trying to defend. His career is coming to a shameful end for good reason, why would someone try to defend his moral failure to do what was right? He can't even defend it. Sadly, this is how he'll be remembered, why would you want to go down with that ship?

You asked me to delete it. I think you should delete your account and never post on IE again. I'm very receptive to you as a person, but we just disagree over some things so I think you'll have to go. That's not being very respectful is it? Your opinion on morality is not the same as mine or anyone else's, so stop acting as if you're some kind of moral authority and your viewpoint is the only legitimate or viable one. People disagree, a lot on here, so you better get used to it and conduct yourself in a slightly different manner around here. If you're right, I'll admit I was wrong, but you, and many others, want this at the altar of the football coach when there are already three people you should be focused on. Leave the investigations to professionals, like JoePa tried to do.

 

[Kak7304]

How many posters have read the grand jury report?
The lock step testimony of Paterno, Curley, Schultz, and Spanier that none of them were told by McQueary that he observed Sandusky sodomizing the child boggles the imagination and smells like lawyer talk to me. After hearing this report from McQueary on Saturday, Paterno waits Sunday to tell Curley, who then waits ten days to interview McQueary with Schultz and several weeks to tell Spanier.
And here is Mr Paterno's recent statement:
"As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report.

Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators. I understand that people are upset and angry, but let's be fair and let the legal process unfold."
Does anyone really believe this?
I suggest you read the grand jury testimony:
Grand jury report on alleged Penn State sex abuse - Los Angeles Times

This whole thing looks like a conspiracy to coverup a scandal from the top down to me. I can't find the testimony of Mr. Paterno or Mr. Spanier to be credible or even remotely believable.

I commented on this statement a little earlier and I agree with your assessment. If the grad assistant was obviously distraught about what he witnessed but did not provide details, why didn't Paterno ask more questions? How difficult is it to ask a person what he or she observed? He is either lying about the conversation or disregarded the grad assistant. If he is telling the truth, he was morally negligent about the entire situation and merely made it someone else's problem.

 

[BobD]

You asked me to delete it. I think you should delete your account and never post on IE again. I'm very receptive to you as a person, but we just disagree over some things so I think you'll have to go. That's not being very respectful is it? Your opinion on morality is not the same as mine or anyone else's, so stop acting as if you're some kind of moral authority and your viewpoint is the only legitimate or viable one. People disagree, a lot on here, so you better get used to it and conduct yourself in a slightly different manner around here. If you're right, I'll admit I was wrong, but you, and many others, want this at the altar of the football coach when there are already three people you should be focused on. Leave the investigations to professionals, like JoePa tried to do.

Have you ever said something to your wife, that sparked a conversation, causing her to ramble on, and on, and on, and on, whch makes you reach a point where you wish you just would have never said anything? Thats where I'm at with this.

You seem like a decent guy, lets just move on.

 

[Shamrocks and Shenanigans]

Paterno just announced his retirement after this season. I will be surprised ifhe is coaching this team for the rest of the season.

 

[BeauBenken]

Anger, I don't think is the appropriate response to this.

Sadness and disappointment seems far more appropriate.

It's awful that the events occurred, and it's awful that there will be a horrible streak on the resume that is Joe Paterno's great career.

I wish that everyone involved recovers, finds the help they need, and goes on to live a happy life. Some will most inevitably be behind bars.

Rather than rejoice in the deserved punishment of criminals though, I'm saddened that the crimes ever occurred.

 

[irish1958]

I agree with BeauBenken except that I think anger is also anappropriate response
My final point is that Mr. Spanier (the college president and a social worker and therapist) had both a moral and legal obligation to report this matter to the police when he heard that possible sexual child abuse occurred. And he had to know of his legal obligation because of his profession.
I don't think being an important person in the comunity and/or an icon excuses the obligation to report a felonious sexual assault on a child, or excuses their guilt for not doing so.

 

[Kak7304]

Victims of molestation struggle to cope with what happened to them throughout life. My heart and prayers go out to them and I hope this provides them with some closure. I could care less about what happens to anyone else involved if there indeed was some form of cover up.
Joe Pa's legacy will be tarnished because of his own inaction. He had the opportunity to seek justice with the grad assitant incident but did not. He could have helped put this monster behind bars years ago but did not. Anyone who allowed Sandusky to remain free and hurt more children will gain no sympathy from me regardless of what they've done in the past. Child molestation is one of the most heinous acts imaginable and anyone who did not act to prevent it deserves what they get, in my opinion.

 

[mgriff]

Have you ever said something to your wife, that sparked a conversation, causing her to ramble on, and on, and on, and on, whch makes you reach a point where you wish you just would have never said anything? Thats where I'm at with this.

You seem like a decent guy, lets just move on.

Yea, but categorizing me as a wife who doesn't understand/can't comprehend what you're trying to say isn't really isn't appropriate or doing yourself any favors. In any event, we can move on.

 

[Irishpinoy]

Things getting worse for Penn State:
Just when you thought the Penn State child sex-abuse scandal couldn't possibly get any worse, we may have just scratched the surface. Joe Paterno being fired could be just the start of arguably the biggest downfall in the history of college athletics.

Pittsburgh radio personality Mark Madden, who penned a column for the Beaver County Times back in April of this year named "Sandusky a State secret," a column which foreshadowed the recent scandal which has absolutely gutted those of us in the Penn State family, was a guest on the Dennis & Callahan Morning Show on WEEI sports talk radio out of Boston on Thursday morning. During his appearance, Madden, who has been mostly right regarding this issue from the very start, dropped what can only be called a bombshell, an announcement which could mean far more than the end of Joe Paterno's career.

Madden stated that two "prominent columnists" are currently investigating a rumor that Jerry Sandusky's Second Mile Foundation, a non-profit organization aimed to serve underprivileged youths, was "pimping out young boys to rich (Penn State) donors." Madden went on to say that Jerry Sandusky was told by those running the show at Penn State football that Sandusky had to retire after allegations made in 1998 that the defensive coordinator was guilty of "improper conduct with an underage male." Sandusky, thought by some to be Joe Paterno's successor at the time, abruptly and somewhat shockingly retired from coaching in 1999.

It actually gets worse. Madden went on to say "When Sandusky quit, everybody knew; not just at Penn State. It was a very poorly kept secret around college football, in general. That is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55, young for a coach." Madden also called the Second Mile Foundation "the perfect cover" for Sandusky's scheme.

I want to be absolutely clear about a few things. These reports, as of the writing of this piece, are coming only from Mark Madden, and they are currently only rumors and speculation. With that said, Mark Madden has been mostly correct about a grand jury investigation which was sealed until very recently. I'm not suggesting that I 100 percent believe Madden to be correct. I'm certainly not ignoring a word he's saying regarding the Sandusky case at this point.

Late Wednesday evening after Joe Paterno was fired by Penn State, an "in the know" individual told me that this story was going to get uglier, and that there were, at the very least, "dozens of more victims." My absolute worst fear regarding the issue is what Mark Madden spoke on Thursday morning. It's been widely reported that the US Department of Education is currently investigating Penn State. Are they going to find that Jerry Sandusky was running a multimillion-dollar criminal organization, one which resulted in dozens, possibly hundreds (or even more), of youths being sexually abused? Will they find that higher-ups at Penn State, including now former football coach Joe Paterno, covered-up Sandusky's heinous crimes? All I know this morning is that, after the worst week of my Penn State life, I don't know if anything would shock me

 

[Ben E.]

Things getting worse for Penn State:
Just when you thought the Penn State child sex-abuse scandal couldn't possibly get any worse, we may have just scratched the surface. Joe Paterno being fired could be just the start of arguably the biggest downfall in the history of college athletics.

Pittsburgh radio personality Mark Madden, who penned a column for the Beaver County Times back in April of this year named "Sandusky a State secret," a column which foreshadowed the recent scandal which has absolutely gutted those of us in the Penn State family, was a guest on the Dennis & Callahan Morning Show on WEEI sports talk radio out of Boston on Thursday morning. During his appearance, Madden, who has been mostly right regarding this issue from the very start, dropped what can only be called a bombshell, an announcement which could mean far more than the end of Joe Paterno's career.

Madden stated that two "prominent columnists" are currently investigating a rumor that Jerry Sandusky's Second Mile Foundation, a non-profit organization aimed to serve underprivileged youths, was "pimping out young boys to rich (Penn State) donors." Madden went on to say that Jerry Sandusky was told by those running the show at Penn State football that Sandusky had to retire after allegations made in 1998 that the defensive coordinator was guilty of "improper conduct with an underage male." Sandusky, thought by some to be Joe Paterno's successor at the time, abruptly and somewhat shockingly retired from coaching in 1999.

It actually gets worse. Madden went on to say "When Sandusky quit, everybody knew; not just at Penn State. It was a very poorly kept secret around college football, in general. That is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55, young for a coach." Madden also called the Second Mile Foundation "the perfect cover" for Sandusky's scheme.

I want to be absolutely clear about a few things. These reports, as of the writing of this piece, are coming only from Mark Madden, and they are currently only rumors and speculation. With that said, Mark Madden has been mostly correct about a grand jury investigation which was sealed until very recently. I'm not suggesting that I 100 percent believe Madden to be correct. I'm certainly not ignoring a word he's saying regarding the Sandusky case at this point.

Late Wednesday evening after Joe Paterno was fired by Penn State, an "in the know" individual told me that this story was going to get uglier, and that there were, at the very least, "dozens of more victims." My absolute worst fear regarding the issue is what Mark Madden spoke on Thursday morning. It's been widely reported that the US Department of Education is currently investigating Penn State. Are they going to find that Jerry Sandusky was running a multimillion-dollar criminal organization, one which resulted in dozens, possibly hundreds (or even more), of youths being sexually abused? Will they find that higher-ups at Penn State, including now former football coach Joe Paterno, covered-up Sandusky's heinous crimes? All I know this morning is that, after the worst week of my Penn State life, I don't know if anything would shock me

wow, the tip of the iceberg...

 

[johnnyoooo]

Retired New York City detective here and suspect others are going to get arrested down the road. Sandusky was doing his evil behavior a long time and convinced many others have criminal information about him or will give up others who do. I heard the FBI is involved and suspect both them and State investigators will dig up even more worse stuff. I would suspect also another grand jury will take a deeper look at what went down. Do not be surprised if there a much bigger time bombs about to cook off.

 

[johnnyoooo]

Detective Gathering

Detective Gathering

One thing detectives look forward to in a investigation is the amount of people they can interview. The more out there to interview the greater chance of developing criminal information. Also the greater opportunity of flipping people to incriminate others. Sandusky has a long track record of criminal behavior at Penn State so there should be plenty individuals for them to interview. Again suspect we have not seen the worst yet. My guess is some individuals are going to flip talk and then a investigation that will really take off.

 

[tadman95]

Paterno's going to have to live with this, his reputation is defintely taking a hit.

I hope he doesn't do an interview, he doesn't seem to have a realistic view of the public's perception.

I do think he is a decent guy that made a huge mistake. Would like to see him see a new life mission, champion a foundation that helps find the children and see that their emotional needs are met and provide an education and lifelong support system if needed.