Gruden to be Hired by Oakland

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Not only can we now forget about Gruden being a head coaching possibility for ND, this is a interesting story regarding his hiring.:

Mark Davis acknowledges he got Jon Gruden first, fired Jack Del Rio only after – ProFootballTalk

Raiders owner Mark Davis confirmed what has been widely suspected: He got Jon Gruden to agree to become the next head coach of the Raiders first, then fired Jack Del Rio, then conducted the required Rooney Rule interviews.

After his press conference yesterday, Davis spoke to a group of Oakland reporters and acknowledged that he first felt like Gruden was serious about returning to the Raiders more than two months ago, when they met in Florida in late October or early November, according to Tim Kawakami of The Athletic.

At that point, the Raiders were 3-5 and Del Rio surely thought he still had time to turn the season around, get the team back to the playoffs and save his job. But Davis was already engaged in serious talks about bringing in Gruden as Del Rio’s successor. Complicating matters is that Gruden and Del Rio have the same agent. Del Rio can’t feel good about the fact that his agent had another client going behind his back to get his job.

Davis said that the agreement was solidified during a discussion on Christmas Eve. So while Gruden spent the rest of the season claiming during his ESPN work that the deal wasn’t done, it was done.

And Davis said that if Gruden hadn’t agreed to take the Raiders job, Del Rio probably would have remained in Oakland. Which means the job was never really open, and the Rooney Rule interviews of Tee Martin and Bobby Johnson were just a formality because the NFL requires them. Martin and Johnson never had a chance for the job because they were interviewing for a job that Gruden had already been offered and accepted.
 

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Yeah this is nuts.... Everything in me wants to see Gruden succeed, I just don't see it happening. But who knows, if the reports of him still getting up incredibly early to study film even without the job are true, maybe he is not that far removed from the game. He certainly seems more intimately connected than many other former coaches like Cowher or Herm Edwards who also worked in sports media
 

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I am guessing the important part of this article is being missed....

And Davis said that if Gruden hadn’t agreed to take the Raiders job, Del Rio probably would have remained in Oakland. Which means the job was never really open, and the Rooney Rule interviews of Tee Martin and Bobby Johnson were just a formality because the NFL requires them. Martin and Johnson never had a chance for the job because they were interviewing for a job that Gruden had already been offered and accepted
 

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I dont know. Honestly. This seems like BS considering the spirit of the initiative.

That's kinda been a trend for a while. Minority coaches become token interviews, and it's apparently pissed a couple guys off. Sounds like Davis never wanted anybody but Gruden, which meant that interviewing minority candidates just to "give them a chance" was nothing but wasting everybody's time
 

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I dont know. Honestly. This seems like BS considering the spirit of the initiative.

The goal of every NFL franchise is to be the absolute best. Average is rarely, if ever, acceptable. The on-field employees, coaching staff and especially the players, go through a process of discrimination unique to almost any other industry. Players are literally stripped down before they are drafted so their bodies are evaluated. They are given mental tests, psychological tests, etc. Players are cut if they gain too much weight, when they get too old or if they are not a "fit" in the organization. None of this would be tolerated in most businesses but it's a necessity to be competitive in a highly competitive league.

After evaluating players (using every form discrimination listed above), a GM picks the player he believes to be the best available. There is no requirement to evaluate or consider another player on the basis of their race alone. You just pick the person you believe will make your team better than any other player. It's unrealistic to believe a team would do anything different with respect to hiring a coach.

This is especially true in this situation b/c Gruden is a unique hire. He's a proven coach and everyone is obsessed with hiring him. He's getting the job if he has interest, and it's a total waste of time interviewing anyone else.

The Rooney rule just doesn't make sense when you think about it. Let's assume Belichick wanted to coach the Bears. Why in the hell would the Bears interview anybody else? What could a another candidate possibly say during that interview that would make anyone in the room want to hire him rather than Belichick? You could apply the same logic to black coaches who are uniquely gifted, like a Tomlin or Dungy. If Tomlin wants to coach your team, you're not sifting through the resumes of "up and coming" coordinators. You just hire the man and win. Gruden is similarly unique and the application of the Rooney rule in this instance clearly absurd.
 
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The goal of every NFL franchise is to be the absolute best. Average is rarely, if ever, acceptable. The on-field employees, coaching staff and especially the players, go through a process of discrimination unique to almost any other industry. Players are literally stripped down before they are drafted so their bodies are evaluated. They are given mental tests, psychological tests, etc. Players are cut if they gain too much weight, when they get too old or if they are not a "fit" in the organization. None of this would be tolerated in most businesses but it's a necessity to be competitive in a highly competitive league.

After evaluating players (using every form discrimination listed above), a GM picks the player he believes to be the best available. There is no requirement to evaluate or consider another player on the basis of their race alone. You just pick the person you believe will make your team better than any other player. It's unrealistic to believe a team would do anything different with respect to hiring a coach.

This is especially true in this situation b/c Gruden is a unique hire. He's a proven coach and everyone is obsessed with hiring him. He's getting the job if he has interest, and it's a total waste of time interviewing anyone else.

The Rooney rule just doesn't make sense when you think about it. Let's assume Belichick wanted to coach the Bears. Why in the hell would the Bears interview anybody else? What could a another candidate possibly say during that interview that would make anyone in the room want to hire him rather than Belichick? You could apply the same logic to black coaches who are uniquely gifted, like a Tomlin or Dungy. If Tomlin wants to coach your team, you're not sifting through the resumes of "up and coming" coordinators. You just hire the man and win. Gruden is similarly unique and the application of the Rooney rule in this instance clearly absurd.
I agree and I am not arguing this, but the point is the Rooney Rule is a Rule, right? Like the concussion protocol? Either have it and do it or don't. Its par for the course with the NFL like CTE.

Its BS IMO as it diminishes the real aspect that it is supposed to be about. We all acknowledge its important to have opportunities in life for minorities and, via discrimination that quite obviously exists, it is difficult for minorities to get that experience.
 
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I agree and I am not arguing this, but the point is the Rooney Rule is a Rule, right? Like the concussion protocol? Either have it and do it or don't. Its par for the course with the NFL like CTE.

Agreed. Teams should play by the rules. It appears Gruden's agreement prior to the Rooney interviews was merely oral so I'm guessing that will be their out.
 

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Also, wasn't part of the reason the Rooney Rule was implemented was so minority coaches, even if they are not candidates for the job, would get experience in interviewing for NFL jobs? In that case the Raiders did fulfill that part of the intent.

This is going to be really interesting. Over/under Gruden is the Raiders coach...6 years?
 

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Also, wasn't part of the reason the Rooney Rule was implemented was so minority coaches, even if they are not candidates for the job, would get experience in interviewing for NFL jobs? In that case the Raiders did fulfill that part of the intent.

This is going to be really interesting. Over/under Gruden is the Raiders coach...6 years?
Under. Gone in 3 years.
 

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Under. I doubt very seriously that Gruden is going to suddenly being a guru after being mediocre his whole career. I also think the Raiders are going to really struggle with having the team in Las Vegas. Too many distractions/ways to lose money. It's going to be inmates running the asylum.
 

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I also think the Raiders are going to really struggle with having the team in Las Vegas. Too many distractions/ways to lose money. It's going to be inmates running the asylum.

I'm still stuck on the thought of the cheerleader tryouts every year...
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jon Gruden lost his virginity in the most Jon Gruden way of all time <a href="https://t.co/1iNH2M7vHm">pic.twitter.com/1iNH2M7vHm</a></p>— Barstool Sports (@barstoolsports) <a href="https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1054827078992961536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I mean, that's exactly how I lost mine too......
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jon Gruden lost his virginity in the most Jon Gruden way of all time <a href="https://t.co/1iNH2M7vHm">pic.twitter.com/1iNH2M7vHm</a></p>— Barstool Sports (@barstoolsports) <a href="https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1054827078992961536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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