General team info

[BobbyMac]

Proved enough to be recruited by a coach (who is making millions) to come play at an institution that will generate hundreds of millions during your time there due, in part, to your abilities.

How many hours a year do ND players participate in team activities?

 

[Redbar]

No, in zero parts due to their abilities. Total revenue if you started paying kids would be no more than total revenue if you only played with kids who didn't want to be paid. The value is in the university brand. It's not a star-driven league like the NFL or NBA.

The solution to this is so stupidly simple. Let kids get a sneaker contract or hawk sandwiches. The kids worth money will make it.

This exactly!

 

[Buster Bluth]

No, in zero parts due to their abilities. Total revenue if you started paying kids would be no more than total revenue if you only played with kids who didn't want to be paid. The value is in the university brand. It's not a star-driven league like the NFL or NBA.

The solution to this is so stupidly simple. Let kids get a sneaker contract or hawk sandwiches. The kids worth money will make it.

A brand built by whom? Players.

This reminds me of an Abraham Lincoln quote. "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

Replace capital with brand and it's the same classic standoff. Sure, the brand is the draw, but the brand is the fruit of the players' work.

How many hours a year do ND players participate in team activities?

Enough to generate millions of dollars in revenue.

 

[Redbar]

A brand built by whom? Players.

This reminds me of an Abraham Lincoln quote. "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

Replace capital with brand and it's the same classic standoff. Sure, the brand is the draw, but the brand is the fruit of the players' work.

Your analogy would be like paying reparations to these kids for the work previous players did. They are playing on the stage that other labor built. In fact, the revenue would be the same if _______never went to ND. For these reasons I think Fr. Jenkins is exactly right, the issue is not "Are universities paying money to students for their labor?", it is "Are universities educating kids as best they can for their labor?"

ESPN isn't paying BAMA money for the butts AJ McCarron can bring to the stadium, they are paying for the fan base that the University of Alabama has. Maybe they should pay the student section and the season ticket holders. lol.

 

[stlnd01]

You guys stand on principal I want to watch football at its highest level.

Then watch the NFL.

Seriously. If college football goes the free agent route it's basically minor league baseball in prettier stadiums. And who watches minor league baseball? Fans' allegiance is to the university, for a whole host of reasons that don't have much to with individual players, who come and go and mostly only get a season or two on the main stage anyway.

I'm fine with cost of attendance and such, and I think universities need to be held accountable for holding up their end of the educational bargain (as Notre Dame generally does). Frankly a real college education is worth a hell of a lot more than whatever we'd pay a backup safety anyway. But go much beyond that and you're just talking about minor league sports.

 

[Circa]

A brand built by whom? Players.

This reminds me of an Abraham Lincoln quote. "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

Replace capital with brand and it's the same classic standoff. Sure, the brand is the draw, but the brand is the fruit of the players' work.



Enough to generate millions of dollars in revenue.

Thats a huge ass. butt I do not concur.. even for the likes of a tide.

 

[clashmore_jon]

anybody notice that und.com has been really slow about posting video events (i.e. BK press conferences) lately?

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I'd like to throw this question out to you guys. Would you rather have a healthy Zaire and have suffered a loss at Va. this past weekend or take the win and move forward w Kizer?

 

[koonja]

I'd like to throw this question out to you guys. Would you rather have a healthy Zaire and have suffered a loss at Va. this past weekend or take the win and move forward w Kizer?

I'd take the L. A loss that early isn't devastating, and it's more about how you look at the end (although you obviously won't be considered if you have more than 2 losses). And i think Malik has a better chance of making us look great at the end than Kizer.

 

[GoIrish41]

I'd like to throw this question out to you guys. Would you rather have a healthy Zaire and have suffered a loss at Va. this past weekend or take the win and move forward w Kizer?

There are no guaranteed wins. There is also no guarantee that Zaire wouldn't get hurt against Ga. Tech or UMass, and he wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire against Virginia. I think you take the W and work hard to prepare for the next opponent(s). We'll win plenty of games with Kizer at the controls.

 

[dublinirish]

I'll take the W. Injuries are part of football. With a loss no chance ND goes to the playoffs and that's the only goal of this team.

 

[ThePiombino]

I'd like to throw this question out to you guys. Would you rather have a healthy Zaire and have suffered a loss at Va. this past weekend or take the win and move forward w Kizer?

The win because Notre Dame is the only P5 school outside of the Big12 that can't afford a loss if they expect to make it to the CFP.

 

[irishfan]

The win. We need 11-1 to have a shot at the playoffs. If we're losing to UVA up 26-14 with a healthy Zaire then that means he was unable to move the offense when we needed it the the most.

I'd rather need a 9-1 finish down the stretch with a backup who is a question mark but who didn't look bad at all, than need a 10-0 finish with a QB, who in this scenario, blew a 12 point lead to a middling ACC team.

 

[wizards8507]

The win because Notre Dame is the only P5 school outside of the Big12 that can't afford a loss if they expect to make it to the CFP.

ND can make the playoff at 11-1. It's no guarantee but they'd be in ahead of an 11-1 Big 12 champion, an 11-2 ACC champion, 11-2 B1G champion (not gonna happen) or 11-2 Pac 12 champion depending on common opponent USC/Stanford (or head to head if USC/Stanford is the champion).

That said, I still take the win.

 

[Dizzyphil]

ND can make the playoff at 11-1. It's no guarantee but they'd be in ahead of an 11-1 Big 12 champion, an 11-2 ACC champion, 11-2 B1G champion (not gonna happen) or 11-2 Pac 12 champion depending on common opponent USC/Stanford (or head to head if USC/Stanford is the champion).

That said, I still take the win.

Very true with exceptions. I would take 'this win' meaning Virginia. If it was U$C, I would have rather have taken the loss instead of Zaire's injury. An 11-1 team between a loss between Virginia or U$C would be totally different in the eyes of the committee IF U$C is as good as advertised - and right now, I see U$C as good as advertised so far.

 

[wizards8507]

Very true with exceptions. I would take 'this win' meaning Virginia. If it was U$C, I would have rather have taken the loss instead of Zaire's injury. An 11-1 team between a loss between Virginia or U$C would be totally different in the eyes of the committee IF U$C is as good as advertised - and right now, I see U$C as good as advertised so far.

Oh I think exactly the opposite. A loss is a loss and it's better to have a good win by beating USC and losing to Virginia than it would be to have a "good loss" by dropping to USC.

 

[irishfan]

Oh I think exactly the opposite. A loss is a loss and it's better to have a good win by beating USC and losing to Virginia than it would be to have a "good loss" by dropping to USC.

Agree there as shown with OSU losing to VT but getting the big wins over MSU and Wisky. I don't think they get in with a win over VT but a loss to MSU. Also, if we're going to somehow finish 11-1, a loss is about 99% going to happen to GT, Clemson, or USC. That means it will come in one of Kizer's early starts and also means we will end the year on a good winning streak. Another thing that parallels OSU last year.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Oh I think exactly the opposite. A loss is a loss and it's better to have a good win by beating USC and losing to Virginia than it would be to have a "good loss" by dropping to USC.

If it were a different committee - I may agree with you. Can you surely say that if ND goes in to a vote with a loss against Virginia as opposed to a top 10 team in U$C that the voters will agree?

Plus, the Irish are not going to lose the rest of the year...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

This is a trick question, because if we lost to Va., a good part would have been on Zaire's shoulders, and we may have seen Kizer, anyways. (Or wished we had.)

 

[ulukinatme]

That's a lot of names!

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[ThePiombino]

That's a lot of names!

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Can't wait to see the size of the poster board coming off playing GT this week and Navy later in the year.

 

[PANDFAN]

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[wizards8507]

Can't wait to see the size of the poster board coming off playing GT this week and Navy later in the year.

Get over it. You've been beating the "stop playing Navy" drum on ten different threads and it's getting obnoxious. Do you realize how stupid you sound blaming the triple option for injuries when our injury list is through the roof this year... mostly on offense... with the one defensive injury occurring in practice?

 

[ThePiombino]

Get over it. You've been beating the "stop playing Navy" drum on ten different threads and it's getting obnoxious. Do you realize how stupid you sound blaming the triple option for injuries when our injury list is through the roof this year... mostly on offense... with the one defensive injury occurring in practice?

I challenge you to find even one such post of mine saying to stop playing Navy.

(Hint: you won't be able to because that wasn't me lol, but way to make yourself out to be an even bigger assclown than we already thought.)

 

[IrishLion]

And once again, it appears that all of IE is sharing a cycle.

Ya'll spend too much time together.

 

[ulukinatme]

I love lamp. I love Brick.

 

[ACamp1900]

Cranberries, cranberries everywhere....

 

[Irish YJ]

God bless Dickie V
One of my favorite people on the planet

Photos: Brian Kelly, Mike Brey Thank Dick Vitale For Massive Donation To Notre Dame | College Spun

 

[Luckylucci]

ND is the first team since 2012 that has opened the season with 3 straight victories against Power 5 teams. This is from BGI.

 

[ThePiombino]

ND is the first team since 2012 that has opened the season with 3 straight victories against Power 5 teams. This is from BGI.

Pretty telling.