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Article by Pat Forde on the ND schedule. He makes a good point about ND's drawing power and if schedules are adjusted, many would still want to fit ND in.


Notre Dame's Conference Independence Debate Could Flare Up in Pandemic-Shortened Season
Should Notre Dame join a conference? No matter how the 2020 schedule is reconstructed for an abbreviated season, this enduring debate could be a point of contention.
PAT FORDE12 HOURS AGO
In terms of ceaseless debate, the second-most enduring argument in college football is whether Notre Dame should join a conference.

(The most enduring argument is the postseason, no matter what variation is in vogue at the time. We’re not going there today.)

The Notre Dame debate could be fed fresh oxygen in the coming weeks. Because one of the potential models for a pandemic-abbreviated 2020 football season involves teams playing a conference-only schedule. “I think it’s a very real possibility,” Fighting Irish athletic director Jack Swarbrick told Sports Illustrated this week.

Where would such a scheduling crunch leave the small Catholic college in northwest Indiana, which has been proudly (some might say arrogantly) conference-free in football for the entirety of its 131 seasons playing the sport?

Probably OK. But potentially in trouble. Those are the two most likely answers at this still-early, still-uncertain date.

Either way, the old reliable Notre Dame debate is well-positioned to flare up with renewed fervor if non-conference games disappear for everyone except the non-conference flagship program.


Swarbrick acknowledged that the situation is “nerve wracking,” but also sounded confident. The school’s ties with the Atlantic Coast Conference and overall allure as a marquee game on every opponent’s schedule could allow the Irish to play as many games as everyone else—maybe even more—with just a little wiggle room.

“There is support for a conference-only, plus-one [non-conference game] schedule,” Swarbrick said. “If that's the model, we'd be fine, because we would be most people's plus-one. The ACC has been a great partner for us, and we've got six ACC games scheduled this year instead of the usual five. That's a pretty good building block.”

That’s not only a good building block, but one solidified a bit by ACC commissioner John Swofford on a Zoom call Thursday. Notre Dame’s ACC membership in every sport but football and men's hockey (Big Ten) has its gridiron privileges, and they are reciprocal to the schools who get to play the Irish every year. In 2020, those programs are Wake Forest, Pittsburgh, Duke, Clemson, Georgia Tech and Louisville.

“The fact that they’re already playing six games against our teams is important,” Swofford said. “If that’s something that’s best for the ACC and Notre Dame, we would certainly have that conversation. It is part of our discussions, but that’s only one of multiple paths this could take.”

In 2020, those Notre Dame ACC opponents are Wake Forest, Pittsburgh and Georgia Tech on the road; Duke, Clemson and Louisville at home. If those games are played, that gets the Irish half a schedule.

It’s the kind of arrangement that is win-win for both the ACC and Notre Dame. Those are prized schedule dates that for decades went to the likes of Big Ten programs Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue and Northwestern, but now help a conference that needs the boost in football. For the Irish, it provides Power-5 opponents that are mostly beatable while retaining the freedom to schedule the other half the season as it sees fit. They can date around without getting married, while still enjoying something of a committed relationship.

It’s also the kind of arrangement that infuriates so many others schools and their fans, who see Notre Dame operating by its own set of rules while still retaining the scheduling clout to compete for a College Football Playoff spot. The Irish may not be winning national championships anymore (32 years and counting since the last one), but they still have the cachet to command their own TV deal and more scheduling freedom than anyone in the land. Those are facts.

But what if a virus-curtailed season leaves Notre Dame with half a schedule? Is that possible? And would it lead to cackles from the conferences that dislike the school’s privileged position?

Let’s do the match on the schedule. Swarbrick said Navy “is adamant about playing us,” even if that Aug. 29 game winds up being moved out of Ireland, which seems highly likely. That’s seven games.

Notre Dame football schedule 2020 Brian Kelly
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Let’s go through the rest, game-by-game, applying Swarbrick’s conference-only plus-one construct:

• Sept. 12, home against Arkansas. Razorbacks fans with tickets to that once-in-a-lifetime road game will badly want it to be played—but would the school? Perhaps not. Given the looming budgetary apocalypse, Arkansas might prefer its lone non-conference game to be at home. Those currently on the schedule offer no sizzle (Nevada, Charleston Southern, Louisiana-Monroe), but would provide revenue without creating travel cost. They’re also far more likely to be wins than the trip to South Bend.

• Sept. 19, home against Western Michigan. The Broncos would do everything possible to keep that game on the schedule, even if it looms as a likely blowout. The guarantee money and chance to play Notre Dame make it a must-do for a Mid-American Conference program.

• Oct. 3, against Wisconsin at Lambeau Field. This is Notre Dame’s annual “Shamrock Series” game, a home contest that isn’t played at home. It’s on NBC, the program’s broadcast partner, but the deal for the game calls for the two programs to split both costs and receipts. Wisconsin would obviously want the game, a high-profile opportunity played in its home state, and the anticipated revenue would probably be enough to make this a keeper on the schedule for the Badgers if it came down to choosing one non-conference game.

• Oct. 10, home against Stanford. This is an annual game for a reason, with both schools valuing it. But this could be deemed expendable compared to a home game. Stanford keeps a tight athletic budget, and the expenditure associated with this road game might be daunting compared to, say, playing BYU in Stanford Stadium. Stanford also figures to be one of the more cautious schools in the nation when it comes to taking virus-related athletic risks, another reason why staying home might be the preferable option. Then there is the Pac-12 season as a whole, which leads to …

• Nov. 28, at USC. One of the great rivalries in the sport would still have to happen, right? Well, Trojans coach Clay Helton said this week that the Pac-12 has discussed an 11-game, all-conference-game schedule. If that came to pass, it would mark the first time since 1945 that Notre Dame and USC would not play each other.

So in a world wherein teams are playing only league contests plus one non-conference opponent, Notre Dame could wind up with nine scheduled games. Maybe that's in line with the rest of the nation, maybe it's not. But if the plus-one part of the equation is eliminated, things could get dicey. Even if the ACC keeps its six ND matchups—the league only plays eight league games, one fewer than most of the rest of the Power-5—that’s only half a season.

Other opponents could materialize along the way, if schools are mixing and matching scheduling openings during a tumultuous season. Maybe those nearby traditional Big Ten rivals re-enter the picture in pandemic-induced marriages of convenience, safety and fiscal expedience.

But understand this: if the college football schedule is thrown into tumult in the fall of 2020, Notre Dame’s conference affiliation (or lack thereof) will be a hotter point of contention than ever
 

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On the schedule question: tried to post this to Reddit, but the mods axed it, what do you guys think?

If the PAC-12 OOC games can't happen, Michigan and Notre Dame should schedule each other

Michigan opens @ Washington, Notre Dame plays @ USC and Stanford. A number of scenarios have been presented that would make playing those games extremely unlikely, including the PAC-12 moving to a conference-only schedule, playing in the fall, or canceling the season entirely. Reportedly, Alabama and TCU are already making contingency plans with each other in case their PAC-12 games can't happen. ND and Michigan should do the same.

Logistically, it would a bit of a headache as the two teams don't share a bye week. It's possible though that if the Dublin game is out of the question, Navy would agree to move the game to Annapolis on October 10 when they have a bye week. Then Notre Dame-Michigan could be a season opener, probably @ ND since Michigan already has seven home games lined up.

Alternatively, they could play on the week of the Big Ten championship game, when neither Notre Dame nor Michigan are expected to play.
 

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Would love to have Michigan in the opener. Breaking in the new QB (McCaffery?) in a huge game against a top 15 opponent with a great D Line...
 

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2010, 2011, 2013, 2019...y'all are killing me with this. I drank a lot after those losses too, but did y'all really delete those memories from your brain?? Never schedule Michigan again. Putting them back on the after 2014 was so dumb.
 

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On the schedule question: tried to post this to Reddit, but the mods axed it, what do you guys think?

PLEASE! I would love to have Michigan @home and destroy them. BUT: We pull the same shenanigans they did last year, and BK was too professional to talk about.
 

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Pass on Michigan. Can't go through that again.

2010, 2011, 2013, 2019...y'all are killing me with this. I drank a lot after those losses too, but did y'all really delete those memories from your brain?? Never schedule Michigan again. Putting them back on the after 2014 was so dumb.

Co-signed. They need us far more than we need them. Never play the skunkbears again.
 

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Pass on Michigan. Can't go through that again.

I don't understand this weird 'I'm afraid' because we might lose thing? "I drink too much thing", "I just feel like life Is falling apart thing". Over a football game thing.... Of course we love the wins, but not everyone wins all the time... Unlesss........ You Cheat.

It's kinda why we are In a recession thing. Soft people that have never struggled in their entire life feel as If they should win because they live life. The ridiculous way of losing is just part of life, and should drive us to want more,.... This Is one of those Thingies...... Too.


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I think ND would run train on scUM this year, but I’ve reached the point of quarantine where I’ve convinced myself that (1) ND would win the natty for sure but (2) of course the season is gonna get cancelled or just be super weird instead.
 

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Co-signed. They need us far more than we need them. Never play the skunkbears again.

This is my argument. We should have never scheduled 18-19 and we shouldn't schedule more. They can have last year, we still have our independence (and 37-0).
 

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Keep playing Michigan.

One big loss and we go running scared, and whining?

I sure hope our players, BK, and Swarbrick can handle adversity better than some of you. They are the ones actually involved in the bloody game. We just watch. I’m sure they all want revenge, especially returning players!
 

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Being scared of playing Michigan again is basically calling them big brother. Get your shit together! Go Irish!
 

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There´s never been any brotherhood in this relationship. We are simply the two regional powerhouses forced to face each other by proximity.

From the beginning, Michigan never wanted to play against us - anti-Catholicism, big-school arrogance and xenophobia. That attitude continues to this day with Michigan´s exclusiveness. disrespect and disgust for our football, faith-community and academic excellence.

We are a small catholic school that became a an internationally recognized football and academic powerhouse despite this kind of parochial prejudice. We don´t need to prove ourselves against them anymore.

We have a limited number of opportunities to choose top-flight and interesting teams. Let´s use them with big-draw universities that are excited to play us.
 

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There´s never been any brotherhood in this relationship. We are simply the two regional powerhouses forced to face each other by proximity.

From the beginning, Michigan never wanted to play against us - anti-Catholicism, big-school arrogance and xenophobia. That attitude continues to this day with Michigan´s exclusiveness. disrespect and disgust for our football, faith-community and academic excellence.

We are a small catholic school that became a an internationally recognized football and academic powerhouse despite this kind of parochial prejudice. We don´t need to prove ourselves against them anymore.

We have a limited number of opportunities to choose top-flight and interesting teams. Let´s use them with big-draw universities that are excited to play us.

Ummm. It’s the ultimate brotherhood. Big brother teaches little brother how to play the game, beats up on him until little brother is his equal, then acts like a chump and doesn’t wanna play little brother anymore. Then big brother turns the rest of the story into Cain and Abel. ND’s tradition with Michigan is defined by its untraditional history. It should remain that way. They should play A back to back every six years. And I wouldn’t mind if the games were played in Detroit Chicago or Indy.
 

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And newsflash to everyone: fielding Yost has been dead for 75 years.
 

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It has nothing to do with me, or my feelings or I'm soft. Its just a constant reminder that we are not anywhere near where we need to be to compete for a national championship. Michigan has been historically bad to mediocre for the last, what, 20 years? ND is 7-8 vs them in that time frame. Sorry I'd rather try someone else. I love the rivalry, love the game. But it doesn't suit our goals any more.
 

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And newsflash to everyone: fielding Yost has been dead for 75 years.

And the entire fan base are still insufferable assholes.

You don’t get to blackball Our Lady’s school and get forgiven just because Yost died.
 

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USC
Rice/Tulane
Army/Navy/Air Force
Michigan/Ohio State/Penn State
Michigan State/Wisconsin/Iowa/Nebraska/Northwestern
Purdue/Pitt/BC/Syracuse
Florida State/Miami/Clemson
Stanford/UCLA/Washington/Colorado
ACC or Big 10
Big 12 or Pac 12
SEC
MAC or Mountain West
 

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USC
Rice/Tulane
Army/Navy/Air Force
Michigan/Ohio State/Penn State
Michigan State/Wisconsin/Iowa/Nebraska/Northwestern
Purdue/Pitt/BC/Syracuse
Florida State/Miami/Clemson
Stanford/UCLA/Washington/Colorado
ACC or Big 10
Big 12 or Pac 12
SEC
MAC or Mountain West
No thanks. That would be too hard on the liver
 

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I know lots of Michigan fans over a fairly large age spread (though mostly older.) Except for talking smack (and that doesn't go on long), I don't believe that they think about ND hardly at all. Michigan grads tend not to think about anyone except for Ohio State, and because of that they're mainly miserable. Now, you CAN make them engage you in a word fight, but YOU have to do it. I'm not talking about fan-site people (all fan-site people are at least somewhat crazed maniacs.)

I think that what some ND fans think about Michigan results from Michigan's lack of thinking that ND is even important (except just on game-day weekend.) They DO act like a Big Brother who doesn't need even to acknowledge you. Two forces only therefore have intruded on their peaceful superiority: Ohio State and Tom Izzo. Notre Dame might well have been there over all those great years (Ohio State was ducking us too), but Michigan (though wrong) thinks that is merely old old forgotten history.

Looking down one's nose attitude or not thinking it's worth looking at all, those are your two choices here in Michigan fans. Believe me, MSU fans are violently irritated by this same "atmosphere" and take all opportunities to rub it in during BBall season. Ohio State is the Boogeyman. Only one.

All of that should have nothing to do with scheduling them. (and I'm certain that our Admin sees it that way.) I'd just like to schedule them in a good slot within a reasonable schedule. We'd lose occasionally, but now that Coach has both sides ready to function in the average year, my opinion is that we win 70% of the time. (These guys have LOTS of money and staff personnel and reputation to work with; they're going to put some rough teams out there --- the country knows that, so beating them counts and more than Stanford or even USC lately.)
 

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I know lots of Michigan fans over a fairly large age spread (though mostly older.) Except for talking smack (and that doesn't go on long), I don't believe that they think about ND hardly at all. Michigan grads tend not to think about anyone except for Ohio State, and because of that they're mainly miserable. Now, you CAN make them engage you in a word fight, but YOU have to do it. I'm not talking about fan-site people (all fan-site people are at least somewhat crazed maniacs.)

I think that what some ND fans think about Michigan results from Michigan's lack of thinking that ND is even important (except just on game-day weekend.) They DO act like a Big Brother who doesn't need even to acknowledge you. Two forces only therefore have intruded on their peaceful superiority: Ohio State and Tom Izzo. Notre Dame might well have been there over all those great years (Ohio State was ducking us too), but Michigan (though wrong) thinks that is merely old old forgotten history.

Looking down one's nose attitude or not thinking it's worth looking at all, those are your two choices here in Michigan fans. Believe me, MSU fans are violently irritated by this same "atmosphere" and take all opportunities to rub it in during BBall season. Ohio State is the Boogeyman. Only one.

All of that should have nothing to do with scheduling them. (and I'm certain that our Admin sees it that way.) I'd just like to schedule them in a good slot within a reasonable schedule. We'd lose occasionally, but now that Coach has both sides ready to function in the average year, my opinion is that we win 70% of the time. (These guys have LOTS of money and staff personnel and reputation to work with; they're going to put some rough teams out there --- the country knows that, so beating them counts and more than Stanford or even USC lately.)


You and Old are now considered Magic and Mike. Imma call you Magic from here on out....
 
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