Game of Thrones

[GATTACA!]

I just realized this morning that we didn't see Sam at all last night. I want answers

I don't.

Sam is another boring character that's a slog to get through on the show and in the books.

 

[wizards8507]

I don't.

Sam is another boring character that's a slog to get through on the show and in the books.

 

[Irishnuke]

The Night King is clearly Brett Favre. He's made that throw many times against the Bears.

 

[GATTACA!]

 

[woolybug25]

I felt the opposite. It shows the group stranded on the rock at midday, maybe closer to evening. The scene cuts away. The next time they show the group, it's night. The scene cuts away again, and shows Gendry arriving at Eastwatch what is presumably the next morning. The next scene shows the group again on the rock, and this time it's light out again.

I felt like the editing was taking care to show the passage of day-night-dawn, despite how quickly the transition happened.

There was one passage of night as you stated, but I guess I didn't see that as time that Gendry was running. I don't think he ran for 12 straight hours any more than I think Jon survived riding a horse that distance soaking wet in winter.

They made no clear indication that the night passed when Gendry was running, but rather that a night had passed as they waited. They are separate scenes, but I did not see it as him running through the entire night. Nor would that in its own right, be realistic.

 

[woolybug25]

I have so many problems with last night's episode. Don't get me wrong, I thought the episode was thoroughly enjoyable and I was on the edge of my seat for much of it, but the writers have seriously gotten way too loose now that there isn't source material to follow:
1. We need to go capture a zombie never made sense because they were always likely to encounter the giant undead horde. They had no plan for when that happened?
2. Why didn't they have someone on daily ice breaking duty as it started to refreeze.
3. The whole operation between sending Gendry to the wall -> raven -> dragons fly north has to take a minimum 4 days even if you are extremely generous with flight speeds. Fine. Meanwhile, all-seeing Bran is just chilling in the Godswood... doesn't see this happening and couldn't have shot off a raven himself?
4. The Night's King I guess has a magic arm a la Uncle Rico and can throw a spear a half a mile without losing velocity. Makes no sense, but w/e can chalk that shit up to "magic" I guess... if he has that kind of power why wasn't he just gunning down the Fellowship while they were on the rock.
5. Where the hell could they possibly get chains like that north of the wall?

Just a lot of needlessly dumb stuff. It's like there is no quality control on some of these narratives in the writing room.

1) I think their plan was to find them and then try to figure out a way to get one. I'm not sure what kind of "plan" they could have came up with without seeing them.
2) I thought the same thing. I would be damned if I let that ice freeze back up without trying to keep it broke. But I'm sure that would be more difficult in practice.
3) I'm not sure about that. As I mentioned to Lion, I think people are misrepresenting how far they were away from the wall. If you remember, they said the WW's were marching towards Eastwatch. So they were intercepting them from Castle Black and they met battle at a large lake. Well here is a map of beyond the wall.

I think that first lake is where the battle ended and the narrows to the left is where they met the smaller hoard. So while not close to the wall, also not a night's run away. It was hours away, which in the dead of winter would be VERY difficult to run. From there, crow to dragonstone and an immediate flight. She is there by morning.
4) Moreso than questioning how far an ice-zombie can throw a spear, I am interested in why he had a satchel of spears to begin with. Why he sent a smaller hoard. etc. Did he know the dragons would come? That is interesting in it's own right.
5) Explained above, which I didn't know either. Again... he must have planned this, which means he knows a heck of a lot more than we thought.

I don't.

Sam is another boring character that's a slog to get through on the show and in the books.

 

[IrishLion]

There was one passage of night as you stated, but I guess I didn't see that as time that Gendry was running. I don't think he ran for 12 straight hours any more than I think Jon survived riding a horse that distance soaking wet in winter.

They made no clear indication that the night passed when Gendry was running, but rather that a night had passed as they waited. They are separate scenes, but I did not see it as him running through the entire night. Nor would that in its own right, be realistic.

Ahhhh, I see what you're saying. The editing made it seem sequential, but it makes more sense if it was like an hour or two. That means, upon Gendry's arrival at Eastwatch, there would be a decent amount of time for a raven to fly over night, and a decent amount of time for dragons to fly across the countryside to their rescue the next morning/afternoon.

Also, Jon dies of hypothermia if he has to ride more than 30 mins, realistically.

WE NEED THE REALISM.

NOW EXCUSE ME WHILE I SCREEN-GRAB THE UNDEAD DRAGON'S BLUE EYE.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

There was one passage of night as you stated, but I guess I didn't see that as time that Gendry was running. I don't think he ran for 12 straight hours any more than I think Jon survived riding a horse that distance soaking wet in winter.

They made no clear indication that the night passed when Gendry was running, but rather that a night had passed as they waited. They are separate scenes, but I did not see it as him running through the entire night. Nor would that in its own right, be realistic.

You don't think you could run for half a day if everyone's life depended on it?

 

[woolybug25]

You don't think you could run for half a day if everyone's life depended on it?

Me? No... absolutely not.


In all seriousness though. Running in full winter garb in a winter storm for half a day straight is not probably physically possible for like 90% of the population.

 

[IrishLax]

And Gendry already established his super human endurance by rowing for years without stopping.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Wooly, they started at Eastwatch, that's where Tormund was. Hardhome was on the east coast north of the Wall, so the Night's King hugged the coast most of the walk.

 

[Blaise]

You don't think you could run for half a day if everyone's life depended on it?

No

 

[woolybug25]

Think of if this was an IE version of Suicide Squad in this scenario.

- Gattaca would be too drunk, and after getting mauled by an ice-bear, would freeze to death in a drunken stupor.
- Lion would be saving fools and cutting the undead with his dragon glass dagger. Refusing the sword I have because of his honor.
- Whiskey would be lighting up his sword with fire and philosophizing on fools.
- Lax would be giving us witty one liners and bashing skulls.


- But this is where things go badly... the only one we would have left at that point to run back to try and get us help would be Wiz. Which of course, as could be assumed, would stop running after about 34-40 yards and pass out from exhaustion. The ice would refreeze and we would all perish. Including me, Azor Ahai.

Just like that, the Long Night would be like any other night on IE... all screwed up and it would all be Wiz's fault...

 

[zelezo vlk]

Think of if this was an IE version of Suicide Squad in this scenario.

- Gattaca would be too drunk, and after getting mauled by an ice-bear, would freeze to death in a drunken stupor.
- Lion would be saving fools and cutting the undead with his dragon glass dagger. Refusing the sword I have because of his honor.
- Whiskey would be lighting up his sword with fire and philosophizing on fools.
- Lax would be giving us witty one liners and bashing skulls.


- But this is where things go badly... the only one we would have left at that point to run back to try and get us help would be Wiz. Which of course, as could be assumed, would stop running after about 34-40 yards and pass out from exhaustion. The ice would refreeze and we would all perish. Including me, Azor Ahai.

Just like that, the Long Night would be like any other night on IE... all screwed up and it would all be Wiz's fault...

Wooly: "Wiz, you're the fastest WITHOUT the Mickey Mouse ears. Leave them behind"

Wiz: "No, fuck you."

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Who the hell put the scuba gear on and chained up the damn dragon?? Didn't the Night King reanimate all those Wildlings by just lifting his arms? Ehh, the episode was fun to watch, as has most of the season. I'm enjoying it.

 

[woolybug25]

Wooly, they started at Eastwatch, that's where Tormund was. Hardhome was on the east coast north of the Wall, so the Night's King hugged the coast most of the walk.

You are forgetting that they met Bran at the 3 Eyed Raven's cave after Hardhome. Which is on the other side of the forest.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Which of course, as could be assumed, would stop running after about 34-40 yards and pass out from exhaustion.

The ice would refreeze and we would all perish. Including me, Azor Ahai.

Rather, you'd utilize this clever strategy: (1) get surrounded by enemy army; (2) fall into deep body of water fully armored; (3) resurface sometime later, after said army has gotten bored of waiting for you, without drowning; and (4) sneak up on and kill the Night's King with your Valyrian steel sword.

All the Others and Wights immediately shatter/ turn to dust. Then you get to bone your hot aunt as you fly off together on the back of her dragon into the sunset.

 

[woolybug25]

Rather, you'd utilize this clever strategy: (1) get surrounded by enemy army; (2) fall into deep body of water fully armored; (3) resurface sometime later, after said army has gotten bored of waiting for you, without drowning; and (4) sneak up on and kill the Night's King with your Valyrian steel sword.

All the Others and Wights immediately shatter/ turn to dust. Then you get to bone your hot aunt as you fly off together on the back of her dragon into the sunset.

My honeymoon in Dragonstone.

 

[zelezo vlk]

You are forgetting that they met Bran at the 3 Eyed Raven's cave after Hardhome. Which is on the other side of the forest.

Okay you're right. That still doesn't change the fact that the Suicide Mission left from Eastwatch, hence the title of episode 5, "Eastwatch". That also happened to be where Jon had sent Tormund, which is why he joined the party.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

No

I hope my life doesn't ever depend on you.

Good talk.

 

[IrishLion]

Seriously though, two back-and-forth strafing patterns with 3 dragons should've taken out the entire undead force.

And what was the Night's King doing, just chilling in that mountain pass during the battle? He only has two avenues of retreat if a dragon spots him and decides to lay the fire into the pass. And we KNOW he didn't have his super ice javelin ready immediately...

If Dany approaches from behind, in an effort to out-flank the hoards of enemies, she can end the war ASAP with one well-placed call for "Dracarys"

It's not difficult, really.

 

[wizards8507]

Seriously though, two back-and-forth strafing patterns with 3 dragons should've taken out the entire undead force.

And what was the Night's King doing, just chilling in that mountain pass during the battle? He only has two avenues of retreat if a dragon spots him and decides to lay the fire into the pass. And we KNOW he didn't have his super ice javelin ready immediately...

If Dany approaches from behind, in an effort to out-flank the hoards of enemies, she can end the war ASAP with one well-placed call for "Dracarys"

It's not difficult, really.

Yeah, as a general rule... If you find yourself in battle against a big army and one dude looks like Darth Maul except blue (or any other color, really), kill that guy first.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Seriously though, two back-and-forth strafing patterns with 3 dragons should've taken out the entire undead force.

And what was the Night's King doing, just chilling in that mountain pass during the battle? He only has two avenues of retreat if a dragon spots him and decides to lay the fire into the pass. And we KNOW he didn't have his super ice javelin ready immediately...

If Dany approaches from behind, in an effort to out-flank the hoards of enemies, she can end the war ASAP with one well-placed call for "Dracarys"

It's not difficult, really.

Though it goes against every fiber of my being to defend Benioff and Weiss, the Others apparently aren't weak to fire. Flames just sort of die off around them, and the only things we know for sure that will kill them are dragon glass and Valyrian steel. Since Dany doesn't know that, it would of course have been prudent to strafe the pass where the Night's King was standing; but the writers may not have bothered since the Others would have just lol'd in the their Circle of Frost.

While we're on the subject, the books make a big deal about the wights being primarily weak to fire, which is how Jon dispatches the one that tries to kill Lord-Commander Mormont, how the Night's Watch survives the onslaught at the Fist of the First Men, etc. But the show seems to have gotten away from that, since the Northern Suicide Squad was crushing wights left and right with mundane weaponry.

 

[Luckylucci]

Yeah, as a general rule... If you find yourself in battle against a big army and one dude looks like Darth Maul except blue (or any other color, really), kill that guy first.

While I agree in theory, I thought he can't be burned, hence them showing how the fire dies as he walks through the flames.

 

[Luckylucci]

Seriously though, two back-and-forth strafing patterns with 3 dragons should've taken out the entire undead force.

And what was the Night's King doing, just chilling in that mountain pass during the battle? He only has two avenues of retreat if a dragon spots him and decides to lay the fire into the pass. And we KNOW he didn't have his super ice javelin ready immediately...

If Dany approaches from behind, in an effort to out-flank the hoards of enemies, she can end the war ASAP with one well-placed call for "Dracarys"

It's not difficult, really.

It does seem odd that we are now at 2 dragon battles, where they were not used in an appropriate manner. At this point, I'm not sure if that is on purpose to show her lack of battle experience, or because they obviously couldn't just end the war by killing all the undead, just like that.

 

[greyhammer90]

Rather, you'd utilize this clever strategy: (1) get surrounded by enemy army; (2) fall into deep body of water fully armored; (3) resurface sometime later, after said army has gotten bored of waiting for you, without drowning; and (4) sneak up on and kill the Night's King with your Valyrian steel sword.

All the Others and Wights immediately shatter/ turn to dust. Then you get to bone your hot aunt as you fly off together on the back of her dragon into the sunset.

You forgot the part where you ride a horse back for a half day through an Artic blizzard after being submerged in icy water and don't die of hypothermia.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

You forgot the part where you ride a horse back for a half day through an Artic blizzard after being submerged in icy water and don't die of hypothermia.

It worked for both Jaime and Jon! If this were an RPG, that'd be a game-breaking exploit. Only engage near a body of water, you can't lose your hero.

 

[ACamp1900]

Hypothermia is like pleasant outcomes, it simply does not exist in Westeros...

 

[GATTACA!]

Think of if this was an IE version of Suicide Squad in this scenario.

- Gattaca would be too drunk, and after getting mauled by an ice-bear, would freeze to death in a drunken stupor.
- Lion would be saving fools and cutting the undead with his dragon glass dagger. Refusing the sword I have because of his honor.
- Whiskey would be lighting up his sword with fire and philosophizing on fools.
- Lax would be giving us witty one liners and bashing skulls.


- But this is where things go badly... the only one we would have left at that point to run back to try and get us help would be Wiz. Which of course, as could be assumed, would stop running after about 34-40 yards and pass out from exhaustion. The ice would refreeze and we would all perish. Including me, Azor Ahai.

Just like that, the Long Night would be like any other night on IE... all screwed up and it would all be Wiz's fault...

So in this scenario I'm Thoros of Myr?

For real though I don't drink IRL so it's funny that your descriptions of me always start with that lol.

 

[Bluto]

Is the reanimated dragon only going to be able to spit shaved ice?