Game of Thrones

[woolybug25]

The only surviving Baratheon bastard Gendry was last seen rowing a boat away from Storms End. He is believed to still be alive. He would have the only claim to the throne.

Again, a Targarean would argue the Baratheons don't have a right to the throne. They had it taken from them after hundreds of years of ruling and are the only descendants of the Dragonborn. Who ruled for thousands of years.

I got that right, book guys?

 

[Son of Kenmare]

Again, a Targarean would argue the Baratheons don't have a right to the throne. They had it taken from them after hundreds of years of ruling and are the only descendants of the Dragonborn. Who ruled for thousands of years.

I got that right, book guys?

Absolutely they have a claim, the question was who would be the next in line if Tommen bites the dust. In this case, the Baratheon line is what would be followed.

 

[woolybug25]

Absolutely they have a claim, the question was who would be the next in line if Tommen bites the dust. In this case, the Baratheon line is what would be followed.

Sure, he could claim it, but he isn't the ONLY person to have a claim. Which was your original comment. The Targarean lineage to the throne is significantly stronger. The only thing giving Baratheons a claim is that they sat on the throne last.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Again, a Targarean would argue the Baratheons don't have a right to the throne. They had it taken from them after hundreds of years of ruling and are the only descendants of the Dragonborn. Who ruled for thousands of years.

I got that right, book guys?

More or less. I think the legal argument is this: the Baratheon claim to the throne depended on its Targaryen lineage. Now that all the true-born Baratheon heirs are dead, a true-born Targaryen (like Dany or maybe Jon) has a superior claim to a lowborn Baratheon bastard raised in a brothel.

But getting back to the "power" argument again, who would rally behind Gendry and fight to install him on the throne? He'd need to have some very influential advocates; all while Westeros is facing down an ice zombie apocalypse, and his primary rivals are Azor Ahai and a Dragon Queen...

 

[Son of Kenmare]

Sure, he could claim it, but he isn't the ONLY person to have a claim. Which was your original comment. The Targarean lineage to the throne is significantly stronger. The only thing giving Baratheons a claim is that they sat on the throne last.

Don't know what original comment you're referring to. My comment was that Gendry was the only living Baratheon who can be legitimately claim the throne since he is the bastard son of Robert who can have his lineage verified by Stannis's Hand and Priestess. If he is alive, the Baratheon house is not extinct.

I'm NOT disagreeing with you about Targarean claims being stronger, they just aren't relevant since they are not currently recognized in Westeros and they currently would not have the support.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Don't know what original comment you're referring to. My comment was that Gendry was the only living Baratheon who can be legitimately claim the throne since he is the bastard son of Robert who can have his lineage verified by Stannis's Hand and Priestess. If he is alive, the Baratheon house is not extinct.

I'm NOT disagreeing with you about Targarean claims being stronger, they just aren't relevant since they are not currently recognized in Westeros and they currently would not have the support.

Robert had 16 bastards, of which at least three are still alive in the books. Not sure if Gendry is older than Edric or not, but the latter has a significant advantage in that Robert was forced to acknowledge him, because his mother is a noblewoman.

Point being, the Baratheon line gets ridiculously complex once bastards are considered.

 

[woolybug25]

Don't know what original comment you're referring to. My comment was that Gendry was the only living Baratheon who can be legitimately claim the throne since he is the bastard son of Robert who can have his lineage verified by Stannis's Hand and Priestess. If he is alive, the Baratheon house is not extinct.

I'm NOT disagreeing with you about Targarean claims being stronger, they just aren't relevant since they are not currently recognized in Westeros and they currently would not have the support.

In addition to what Whiskey posted above. Baratheons aren't the ONLY family to have claim to the throne. The Targarean family claims to be the rightful family of the crown, not the Baratheons. Claim to the throne is not just who sat on it last.

 

[gkIrish]

The Tommen thread got me thinking:

Besides the Hound, who might fight as the champion of the faith (show only)? Someone suggested Tommen does it in the other thread.

I had a really random thought that probably makes no sense whatsoever but what if it's....Jorah Mormont?

It makes sense to me in this way....Jorah's ultimate goal is to get Daenarys on the thone. Removing Cersei from the equation by winning the fight would help accomplish that. Additionally, perhaps the High Septon convinces him that he will be cured of his greyscale if he represents the Faith.

Sounds crazy but I feel that the champion of the faith HAS to be a major character. I lso think it has to be someone "shocking." So if it's not the Hound, who else do you think it might be?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Is there a way to block threads on Tapatalk? I keep seeing this one on my feed, am a few episodes behind, and you can see the text of the last post.

*NO, I can't just avoid making eye contact, hence the question

 

[IrishLax]

The Tommen thread got me thinking:

Besides the Hound, who might fight as the champion of the faith (show only)? Someone suggested Tommen does it in the other thread.

I had a really random thought that probably makes no sense whatsoever but what if it's....Jorah Mormont?

It makes sense to me in this way....Jorah's ultimate goal is to get Daenarys on the thone. Removing Cersei from the equation by winning the fight would help accomplish that. Additionally, perhaps the High Septon convinces him that he will be cured of his greyscale if he represents the Faith.

Sounds crazy but I feel that the champion of the faith HAS to be a major character. I lso think it has to be someone "shocking." So if it's not the Hound, who else do you think it might be?

Before people started talking Clegane Bowl, I always thought it would be Lancel. And that it was going to have major implications vis a vis Kevan Lannister.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Before people started talking Clegane Bowl, I always thought it would be Lancel. And that it was going to have major implications vis a vis Kevan Lannister.

Martin's Lancel never fully recovered from the injuries he sustained during the Battle of the Blackwater, leaving him frail and sickly. That newfound awareness of his mortality is what lead to his conversion. So unless the High Sparrow intends to throw the trial in Cersei's favor, I can't see him naming Lancel.

 

[ND NYC]

not sure who i'd actually want to "win" the "trial by combat"...interesting outcomes in either scenario

 

[gkIrish]

Before people started talking Clegane Bowl, I always thought it would be Lancel. And that it was going to have major implications vis a vis Kevan Lannister.

Martin's Lancel never fully recovered from the injuries he sustained during the Battle of the Blackwater, leaving him frail and sickly. That newfound awareness of his mortality is what lead to his conversion. So unless the High Sparrow intends to throw the trial in Cersei's favor, I can't see him naming Lancel.

Lancel makes some sense but I don't see how he could possibly be considered a worthy opponent. That's part of why I posed the question....I almost think it HAS to be the Hound because there is basically no one else who is a worthy fighter. That's why I thought maybe Jorah. Jaime doesn't make sense on the show at this point.

 

[Irish YJ]

not sure who i'd actually want to "win" the "trial by combat"...interesting outcomes in either scenario

Do we know what the stakes of the trial by combat are. If Cersei's chosen gets beat, what happens to her?

 

[Corry]

Do we know what the stakes of the trial by combat are. If Cersei's chosen gets beat, what happens to her?

She's found guilty of her crimes. So death I assume.

 

[Irish YJ]

She's found guilty of her crimes. So death I assume.

She's an evil twat, but not wishing death on her boobs. Well, maybe if she has to do another walk of shame on her way out...

 

[ThePiombino]

She's found guilty of her crimes. So death I assume.

Isn't that what the Walk of Shame was for tho?

 

[GATTACA!]

She's an evil twat, but not wishing death on her boobs. Well, maybe if she has to do another walk of shame on her way out...

Those weren't her boobs.

 

[IrishLion]

Isn't that what the Walk of Shame was for tho?

I think the Walk of Shame was so she could show her "atonement," allowing her freedom until her trial.

 

[wizards8507]

Isn't that what the Walk of Shame was for tho?

Bail.

 

[IrishLion]

The Champion of the Faith!

 

[wizards8507]

HOUUUUUUUUND

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[wizards8507]

I still can't figure out of Margaery is faking it.

Never mind. Confirmed.

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[wizards8507]

The Lannister army marching through the Riverlands is the highlight of the season for me. Fantastic eye candy.

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[zelezo vlk]

Arya took that like a fucking champ

 

[IrishLion]

Things are setting up nicely for the next three episodes to be off the chain.

I can only hope that Cleganebowl and The Battle of the Bastards both happen before the season ends.

I imagine Dany will leave for Westeros at the end of Episode 10, saving that plot for next season.

Also, didn't they confirm recently that the show would be 8 seasons? Or is it still supposed to be wrapped up in 7 seasons?

 

[IrishLax]

Would the Brotherhood of slaughtered innocent people like that in the book?

 

[Irish YJ]

So is the septum coming back and how?

 

[wizards8507]

Off topic, but Walton Goggins is so fucking brilliant.

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[IrishLax]

Off topic, but Walton Goggins is so fucking brilliant.

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Who is Walton Goggins?