Friends Of The University of Notre Dame (ND's NIL Collective)

[Luckylucci]

Dante Moore is an elite football player and a national honors society student. Keon Keeley is an elite football player and a good student at a high level prep school. Peyton Bowen is (for now) still committed to ND. The main reason that those guys aren't still committed is NIL deals. ND must address that situation and quickly.

Being a good student has nothing to do with the fact that as we speak, Dante and Otha Moore are literally trying to run up the price on Oregon. Would you really want Dante Moore to be our QB commit right now? That's fucking insane. It'd be a total meltdown right now and for good reason.

 

[Irish4life]

Being a good student has nothing to do with the fact that as we speak, Dante and Otha Moore are literally trying to run up the price on Oregon. Would you really want Dante Moore to be our QB commit right now? That's fucking insane. It'd be a total meltdown right now and for good reason.

That's the game when you're recruiting 5 star QBs. Is what it is. And who's to say Oregon doesn't tell Moore to f*** off to UCLA and then buy Minchey off of ND?

 

[TheRealLynch51]

You may be right about Dante Moore, but Keeley had every intention of going to ND. So did Peyton Bowen.

Peyton Bowen has included Oregon out of fucking nowhere to only drive the NIL package he gets from Oklahoma higher

 

[Luckylucci]

You may be right about Dante Moore, but Keeley had every intention of going to ND. So did Peyton Bowen.

Respectfully, at this point you are just passing off your opinions as fact.

Keeley's mother, literally, made a public declaration for money. If they were intent on ND then they'd figure out how to maximize his value, with Notre Dame. Not make a siren call to the public for dollar bills.

Peyton Bowen never had every intention of going to ND. He's literally taken more visits as a commit than any prospect that I can remember. He's been looking for an out for almost a year now, lol. As of September, he sent EE paperwork to 4 schools. That does not show intent to one school in the slightest.

You don't think that Kyle Hamilton was offered money to go to UGA? Bama literally offered Mayer money to transfer. Those guys were intent on maximizing their value at ND. And, they did.

That's the game when you're recruiting 5 star QBs. Is what it is. And who's to say Oregon doesn't tell Moore to f*** off to UCLA and then buy Minchey off of ND?

No, it's not. There are plenty of QB's that aren't parading around the country looking to get daddy a job and more money.

 

[Free Manera]

There is an article on the Athletic today about where the transfer portal market stands. They quoted an unnamed SEC recruiting coordinator who said some QBs are actually better off transferring than going to the NFL as a later round pick because they can make more money as a QB transfer than in the NFL.

This is where we are. It is a wide open free market.

 

[Huntr]

Stats guy I follow talking about NIL strategy

 

[notredomer23]

Been doing a lot of collective research and discovered ND has a basketball collective more in line with the rest of CFB collectives.

irishunited.com

every basketball player is signed up.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

There is an article on the Athletic today about where the transfer portal market stands. They quoted an unnamed SEC recruiting coordinator who said some QBs are actually better off transferring than going to the NFL as a later round pick because they can make more money as a QB transfer than in the NFL.

This is where we are. It is a wide open free market.

I have a contact close to Trayce Jackson Davis who essentially spelled this out to him and it's why he came back to IU this year. Dude reportedly got a 7-figure NIL deal for one year. It's 100% happening and makes all the sense in the world for portal transfers to take advantage. Giving money like that to high school kids who've yet to take a snap....I think that market levels itself out over the next few years.

 

[stlnd01]

I have a contact close to Trayce Jackson Davis who essentially spelled this out to him and it's why he came back to IU this year. Dude reportedly got a 7-figure NIL deal for one year. It's 100% happening and makes all the sense in the world for portal transfers to take advantage. Giving money like that to high school kids who've yet to take a snap....I think that market levels itself out over the next few years.

Yep. And not just transfer QBs. I wouldn’t be surprised if NIL factors into the stay/go thinking of guys like Hart and Joseph.

 

[Free Manera]

I have a contact close to Trayce Jackson Davis who essentially spelled this out to him and it's why he came back to IU this year. Dude reportedly got a 7-figure NIL deal for one year. It's 100% happening and makes all the sense in the world for portal transfers to take advantage. Giving money like that to high school kids who've yet to take a snap....I think that market levels itself out over the next few years.

I agree. And I also think recruiting high school kids is going to become less important for places like USC that will just buy up sure thing free agents every year.

NIL probably isn't ever going away but I think some restraints need to be put on the schools. One of the most impactful things for competitive balance would be limiting incoming non-graduate transfers to like 5 or something.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I don't want to put words in O'Malley or Sampson's mouths by misquoting them, but there was a good question (imo) on the II podcast yesterday and it's worth listening to their feelings on ND paying players.

My thoughts: What's stopping a rep from Dicks Sporting Goods or Roback or (whoever) from contacting these elite recruits to help establish a relationship that leads to a contract once the kid enrolls at ND? If you're a top 20 recruit, there's a big likelihood you'll be an instant impact type player...you're going to warrant NIL contracts....and very few are doing that route better than ND right now when it comes to their studs.

It's not guaranteed money and I get that, but can't there be "signing bonuses"? Top 20 player gets X, Top 50 gets Y, Top 100 gets Z.

Some families are always going to pimp their kid out to the highest bidder, but I think a lot of families (during this NIL/P4P era) just want something to sweeten the pot. The ND degree + exposure + development/NFL potential + NIL contracts + Network + a little cherry on top for signing would likely be plenty. Like Sampson said, you don't want to be a leader among the pack if the current pack is A&M, Oregon, Miami etc. But you can find an alternate way to compete with that group but still work within your ideals and values.

 

[IrishLax]

I agree. And I also think recruiting high school kids is going to become less important for places like USC that will just buy up sure thing free agents every year.

NIL probably isn't ever going away but I think some restraints need to be put on the schools. One of the most impactful things for competitive balance would be limiting incoming non-graduate transfers to like 5 or something.

A USC friend said months ago that their plan moving forward is going to be to only sign like 15 guys a year and then buy 5-10 top transfers from the portal. They are going to do roughly one third of their recruiting through pay-to-play mercenaries. And do I blame them? Not really. They’re set up almost perfectly to raid lower tier FBS schools for developed players.

 

[Free Manera]

A USC friend said months ago that their plan moving forward is going to be to only sign like 15 guys a year and then buy 5-10 top transfers from the portal. They are going to do roughly one third of their recruiting through pay-to-play mercenaries. And do I blame them? Not really. They’re set up almost perfectly to raid lower tier FBS schools for developed players.

In the current climate, it makes no sense to give too many scholarship to unknowns from a competitive standpoint. Like you said, sign your 15 high ceiling guys every year then fill up on proven talent. It won't just be USC, I think a lot of the NIL frontrunners will operate this way.

 

[arahop]

A USC friend said months ago that their plan moving forward is going to be to only sign like 15 guys a year and then buy 5-10 top transfers from the portal. They are going to do roughly one third of their recruiting through pay-to-play mercenaries. And do I blame them? Not really. They’re set up almost perfectly to raid lower tier FBS schools for developed players.

Heard they offered Marvin Harrison Jr

 

[PigtownIrish]

Buying your way to the front of the line versus developing talent and working hard is a perfect fit for USC. I hope it blows up in their face. The mercenary method only worked out for them this year because Williams is that good. So good I hope he is blessed to go number 1 to the Browns next year.

 

[bobbyok1]

I'm a little ignorant on the whole NIL thing overall. Is there anything prohibits the NCAA from putting a cap on NIL funds per university/team/players? Or is it totally out of the control of the NCAA?

 

[irishfan]

I'm a little ignorant on the whole NIL thing overall. Is there anything prohibits the NCAA from putting a cap on NIL funds per university/team/players? Or is it totally out of the control of the NCAA?

Because they would get taken to court. And they can’t win a court case to save their lives nowadays.

 

[notredomer23]

Jack publicly acknowledged FUND today for the first time. A step in the right direction.

 

[ACamp1900]

A USC friend said,…

You always were especially suspect to me,…

 

[notredomer23]

Friends of the University of Notre Dame becomes sponsor of Notre Dame Athletics

/PRNewswire/ -- Friends of the University of Notre Dame, Inc., a collective working to bring NIL opportunities to Notre Dame student-athletes, is announcing...

www.prnewswire.com

This is actually a huge positive step. ND publicly acknowledging FUND is probably a day late a dollar short, but better late than never.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Friends of the University of Notre Dame becomes sponsor of Notre Dame Athletics

/PRNewswire/ -- Friends of the University of Notre Dame, Inc., a collective working to bring NIL opportunities to Notre Dame student-athletes, is announcing...

www.prnewswire.com

This is actually a huge positive step. ND publicly acknowledging FUND is probably a day late a dollar short, but better late than never.

IDK, look up the names mentioned there and I think you'll find quite a few dollars

 

[ulukinatme]

IDK, look up the names mentioned there and I think you'll find quite a few dollars

I don't know if there's a recent player that's contributed to Notre Dame more on and off the field than Brady. Rees would be another with his wins and coaching.

 

[MacIrish75]

I don't know if there's a recent player that's contributed to Notre Dame more on and off the field than Brady. Rees would be another with his wins and coaching.

Thom Reese’s biggest contribution was leaving to go to Bama…

 

[ulukinatme]

Thom Reese’s biggest contribution was leaving to go to Bama…

So he can bring the Saban championship system to South Bend ala LeBron going back to Cleveland

 

[Giddyup]

Can’t wait till nfl owners start holding their hand out to the fans to pay free agents. Billion dollar universities already got the jump on them.

 

[Giddyup]

 

[dublinirish]

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[NDFAN2008]

Unfortunately ND really will only land 1 5 star every 3 years if they don’t start doing up front NIL promises and that’s just how it is. Look at the top players in the 2025 class 97% of the top 50 are from the South mostly Georgia. It’s near impossible to compete with Georgia for players in their own back yard

 

[Irishdrunk]

Unfortunately ND really will only land 1 5 star every 3 years if they don’t start doing up front NIL promises and that’s just how it is. Look at the top players in the 2025 class 97% of the top 50 are from the South mostly Georgia. It’s near impossible to compete with Georgia for players in their own back yard

On this one I agree with you.

Its just about priorities. ND does not really prioritize winning a Natty like many SEC and some Big 10 programs do. I laugh at adults blaming kids for looking at upfront money over a better degree. Walk in their shoes for just one day. Unless you think Freeman is some superior HC in terms of staffing, player development and game tactician, ND is realistically not going to win a Natty any time soon unless you land a couple Top 50 every year. BCR be damned.

Clearly the University knows this and won't budge. It is what it is.

 

[Crazy Balki]

On this one I agree with you.

Its just about priorities. ND does not really prioritize winning a Natty like many SEC and some Big 10 programs do. I laugh at adults blaming kids for looking at upfront money over a better degree. Walk in their shoes for just one day. Unless you think Freeman is some superior HC in terms of staffing, player development and game tactician, ND is realistically not going to win a Natty any time soon unless you land a couple Top 50 every year. BCR be damned.

Clearly the University knows this and won't budge. It is what it is.

I don't blame the kids. I do blame the parents.

They're supposed to be the ones that are informed and guide their child to make the best decision for their future, instead of being caught up in a quick payday.

Not to mention, the fact that upfront money is against the rules and players ought to know this, or at the very least the parents. Sure, the NCAA isn't going to do jack to uphold the rules, but it doesn't mean the rules don't exist. So yeah, can't say kids should be exempt from blame for knowingly breaking the rules. I expect a 17 year old to know right and wrong.