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Explain them to me. I’ve heard about them in the past plenty, but don’t really know the full scope of what they are about and what they do. Any of you Masons out there?

Also, is this a good organization for a businessman? Is it something that influential people belong to? What are the advantages and/or disadvantages?
 

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In 1983, the Church issued a new Code of Canon Law. Unlike its predecessor, it did not explicitly name Masonic orders among the secret societies. This omission of Masonic orders caused both Catholics and Freemasons to believe that the ban on Catholics becoming Freemasons may have been lifted. However, the matter was clarified in November 1983 when the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, issued a Declaration on Masonic Associations, which states:

“… the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.”

In 1996 the Bishop of the Diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska, published a list of organizations in which membership by Catholics was forbidden. The Freemasons were on that list, and the Vatican backed the issuance of the list.

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If you like spending your free time with some crusty old protestants, go for it.

If you like spending your free time with some crusty old Catholics, go for the knights of Columbus.
 

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Well, I’m not Catholic and Free Masons don’t require any specific religion. So I appreciate the explanation in regards to the Catholic Church, that wouldn’t be a factor for me.

More interested in what they do, what kind of circle they usually are, is their work typically impactful to their communities, etc.
 

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Ahh. Indeed I am. You’re right, I do need to see how I can get more involved. My membership has so far revolves around whiskey and pool. But that’s a good reminder that I should also be doing my part. Thanks.
 

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Ahh. Indeed I am. You’re right, I do need to see how I can get more involved. My membership has so far revolves around whiskey and pool. But that’s a good reminder that I should also be doing my part. Thanks.



Talk to their E-Board members and see if there are any openings coming up next cycle.
 

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My information on the Masons is all "academic" and partly esoteric.

A). Originally, the Masons were (are?) a secretive organization allegedly dating back to the Crusades --- many folks doubt that but it is said. The "Mason" part of this mildly supports a Mediaeval origin as it reflects on the old style of secretive organizations based upon guilds (whose purpose was to gather together persons of specific crafts into an inner circle to share the guilds' secrets --- ex. metallurgy, pharmacy, building --- the grouping together of which gained a form of power in the society. They have been related to the Rosicrucians.

B). In the 19th century USA Masons flowered all over the country, with "Temples" and Grand Wizards and all sorts of over-the-top regalia and ritual. Their real power was the hold that they had on politics and the means to get ahead in society by flashing the Masonic ring --- even in some places secret handshakes. It was a "brotherhood" based upon pragmatism rather than clan or ethnicity or standard religion. In some towns, it was a lot more difficult to make it if you were not a (in my view "cult") member.

C). Some of the get-togethers seemed like mere social gatherings, but any Masonic organization had "levels" to which one could "ascend" to get deeper and higher into the hierarchy and the "secrets". The average Joe saw none of that. But if one saw this as something which offered a kind of social power, one might submit oneself to this sort of almost-fraternity-hazing ritual to prove loyalty, and thereby assent to insidership.

D). At low levels this stuff was largely social (with some heavy prejudices towards outsiders, especially Catholics), but at upper levels the "Rites" got a little freakish --- involving fancy regalia drawn from places like Egyptian religion and other elements of paganism. Although outsiders aren't supposed to know this (nor low-level Masons) one can read the rather bizarre structure of their beliefs by purchasing antiquarian (c. late 1800s-early 1900s) huge manuals describing them --- such secret literature was not supposed to ever be shared, but people die and things leak out --- I own a huge Encyclopedia of Freemasonry myself.


If one thinks that one should join these people (for reasons which would escape me), then take Meatloaf's view of them and just go in as low-level Joe-off-the-street and handle it like Rotary or some businessman's club. I can't imagine that there aren't better philosophically and prejudicially cleaner groups to join however. .... just my take.
 

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Explain them to me. I’ve heard about them in the past plenty, but don’t really know the full scope of what they are about and what they do. Any of you Masons out there?

Also, is this a good organization for a businessman? Is it something that influential people belong to? What are the advantages and/or disadvantages?

I would say that it depends on where you are. If that's where the businessmen associate and talk, then it might be worth it. Plus, if they do local charity work, you'll be helping people and getting your name out there -win/win. I would say join whatever local org the other businessmen join that does good works.
There's a pretty big Scottish Right Masonic lodge downtown South Bend for example.
 

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I'm more of a VFW drink cheap beer kind of guy. Secret shit? I save the secrets for marriage and work.
 

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My information on the Masons is all "academic" and partly esoteric.

A). Originally, the Masons were (are?) a secretive organization allegedly dating back to the Crusades --- many folks doubt that but it is said. The "Mason" part of this mildly supports a Mediaeval origin as it reflects on the old style of secretive organizations based upon guilds (whose purpose was to gather together persons of specific crafts into an inner circle to share the guilds' secrets --- ex. metallurgy, pharmacy, building --- the grouping together of which gained a form of power in the society. They have been related to the Rosicrucians.

B). In the 19th century USA Masons flowered all over the country, with "Temples" and Grand Wizards and all sorts of over-the-top regalia and ritual. Their real power was the hold that they had on politics and the means to get ahead in society by flashing the Masonic ring --- even in some places secret handshakes. It was a "brotherhood" based upon pragmatism rather than clan or ethnicity or standard religion. In some towns, it was a lot more difficult to make it if you were not a (in my view "cult") member.

C). Some of the get-togethers seemed like mere social gatherings, but any Masonic organization had "levels" to which one could "ascend" to get deeper and higher into the hierarchy and the "secrets". The average Joe saw none of that. But if one saw this as something which offered a kind of social power, one might submit oneself to this sort of almost-fraternity-hazing ritual to prove loyalty, and thereby assent to insidership.

D). At low levels this stuff was largely social (with some heavy prejudices towards outsiders, especially Catholics), but at upper levels the "Rites" got a little freakish --- involving fancy regalia drawn from places like Egyptian religion and other elements of paganism. Although outsiders aren't supposed to know this (nor low-level Masons) one can read the rather bizarre structure of their beliefs by purchasing antiquarian (c. late 1800s-early 1900s) huge manuals describing them --- such secret literature was not supposed to ever be shared, but people die and things leak out --- I own a huge Encyclopedia of Freemasonry myself.


If one thinks that one should join these people (for reasons which would escape me), then take Meatloaf's view of them and just go in as low-level Joe-off-the-street and handle it like Rotary or some businessman's club. I can't imagine that there aren't better philosophically and prejudicially cleaner groups to join however. .... just my take.

Certainly not a member myself, but have been exposed to a rather extensive study of them. I will try to answer a specific question if you have one, but will echo OMM here. Albert Pike was a confederate General, who wrote a book entitled Morals and Dogma, he was probably the most revered American mason, (Pike’s Peak, the highest point in the Rocky’s I believe, is named in honor of him) also if I am not mistaken he is the only person “buried” above ground in Arlington National Cemetary. As you ascend the degrees of Masonry the truth of their beliefs, if played correctly, can come into focus, most people never ascend this and are referred to as “porch masons” as they never actually enter the temple of Solomon. Solomon is a euphemism of “sun and moon”. Esoterically they have a particular knowledge that has been hidden or occulted, it is revealed to those who they deem worthy and are initiated into their rites. Practically, most people provide a social/political power base, but never fully achieve or understand what the order truly believes or what it’s aims are. They believe strongly in doing work in the community, they feel we are all “builders of the temple”, both within and in the world. “As above, so below” is the principle of correspondence and this is the cornerstone of that service, but I would advise anyone to tread very carefully before joining any society, and swearing oaths when the ultimate goals and beliefs are unknown to the initiate and only revealed in very limited circumstances to very select brethren.
 

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Certainly not a member myself, but have been exposed to a rather extensive study of them. I will try to answer a specific question if you have one, but will echo OMM here. Albert Pike was a confederate General, who wrote a book entitled Morals and Dogma, he was probably the most revered American mason, (Pike’s Peak, the highest point in the Rocky’s I believe, is named in honor of him) also if I am not mistaken he is the only person “buried” above ground in Arlington National Cemetary. As you ascend the degrees of Masonry the truth of their beliefs, if played correctly, can come into focus, most people never ascend this and are referred to as “porch masons” as they never actually enter the temple of Solomon. Solomon is a euphemism of “sun and moon”. Esoterically they have a particular knowledge that has been hidden or occulted, it is revealed to those who they deem worthy and are initiated into their rites. Practically, most people provide a social/political power base, but never fully achieve or understand what the order truly believes or what it’s aims are. They believe strongly in doing work in the community, they feel we are all “builders of the temple”, both within and in the world. “As above, so below” is the principle of correspondence and this is the cornerstone of that service, but I would advise anyone to tread very carefully before joining any society, and swearing oaths when the ultimate goals and beliefs are unknown to the initiate and only revealed in very limited circumstances to very select brethren.

“Most revered American Mason”? You mean more than the 14 US Presidents or Benjamin Franklin? I think it’s quite the reach to call Pike the most revered. Also, it seems like everyone is trying to paint the picture of them anti Catholic, but yet it’s the Catholic Church that prohibits it members from being Masons, not the other way around. From reading their website, they clearly say that they accept anyone that worships a higher god. Seems pretty inclusive to me.

Also, these are all philanthropic organizations, no? Seems kinda petty to bash an organization that for all tense and purposes is closer to a Rotary Club than it is a secret society.
 

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Ahh. Indeed I am. You’re right, I do need to see how I can get more involved. My membership has so far revolves around whiskey and pool. But that’s a good reminder that I should also be doing my part. Thanks.

I was my home post's SAL Chaplain for 5 years. We did raise quite a bit of money for local charities and families in need. We really focused on families with kids with illnesses and surgical needs.

I remain a member there, but don't live in the town anymore and the Legion here is less than desirable. My home post does not have or accept social memberships. The local one does. I certainly prefer to not be surrounded by casual drunks who only belong for the cheap beer.
 

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I was my home post's SAL Chaplain for 5 years. We did raise quite a bit of money for local charities and families in need. We really focused on families with kids with illnesses and surgical needs.

I remain a member there, but don't live in the town anymore and the Legion here is less than desirable. My home post does not have or accept social memberships. The local one does. I certainly prefer to not be surrounded by casual drunks who only belong for the cheap beer.

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My two cents:

If you want to get better business contacts, go join the local Chamber of Commerce.

If you want the social impact feel-goods, go join Kiwanis or Rotary.

Masons, Odd Fellows, PSI, etc. all seem like cults, to me.
 

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Well, I’m not Catholic and Free Masons don’t require any specific religion. So I appreciate the explanation in regards to the Catholic Church, that wouldn’t be a factor for me.

More interested in what they do, what kind of circle they usually are, is their work typically impactful to their communities, etc.

There is a secrecy. Ask to become and you'll know more, but nothing unless you devote you. You can be any denomination including a Muslim.
 

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“Most revered American Mason”? You mean more than the 14 US Presidents or Benjamin Franklin? I think it’s quite the reach to call Pike the most revered. Also, it seems like everyone is trying to paint the picture of them anti Catholic, but yet it’s the Catholic Church that prohibits it members from being Masons, not the other way around. From reading their website, they clearly say that they accept anyone that worships a higher god. Seems pretty inclusive to me.

Also, these are all philanthropic organizations, no? Seems kinda petty to bash an organization that for all tense and purposes is closer to a Rotary Club than it is a secret society.

He may be saying revered by Masons, not by the outside. IDK.

My father was raised Catholic, and was a Mason. I still have all his books including one huge one. Will never read them out of respect, but I have been curious.

Anyway, he never denounced being a Catholic, not that he was a strict practicing Catholic...

One of my close friends was/is a grand poobar at one of ATLs locals. Both my buddy, and my father were all about the community service, which I admired. While my father never tried to exploit the political side (connections), my buddy seems to have a load of business connections via the group. I have been invited to join a few times, but have never had the time to devote.

Personally, seeing all the good that they do, and hanging at a few Mason outings (nothing mysterious, just fun), I would not rule them out due to the Church's position. They don't seem nutty at all from the views I had. Nothing like Scientology IMO. If they were whacked out, I think we all would have seen documentaries and a more mainstream phobia of them. Purely my opinion though based on what I have seen.
 

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Certainly not a member myself, but have been exposed to a rather extensive study of them. I will try to answer a specific question if you have one, but will echo OMM here. Albert Pike was a confederate General, who wrote a book entitled Morals and Dogma, he was probably the most revered American mason, (Pike’s Peak, the highest point in the Rocky’s I believe, is named in honor of him) also if I am not mistaken he is the only person “buried” above ground in Arlington National Cemetary. As you ascend the degrees of Masonry the truth of their beliefs, if played correctly, can come into focus, most people never ascend this and are referred to as “porch masons” as they never actually enter the temple of Solomon. Solomon is a euphemism of “sun and moon”. Esoterically they have a particular knowledge that has been hidden or occulted, it is revealed to those who they deem worthy and are initiated into their rites. Practically, most people provide a social/political power base, but never fully achieve or understand what the order truly believes or what it’s aims are. They believe strongly in doing work in the community, they feel we are all “builders of the temple”, both within and in the world. “As above, so below” is the principle of correspondence and this is the cornerstone of that service, but I would advise anyone to tread very carefully before joining any society, and swearing oaths when the ultimate goals and beliefs are unknown to the initiate and only revealed in very limited circumstances to very select brethren.


Pike's Peak was named for Zebulon Pike a US Army officer who explored the Louisiana purchase. He was killed during the War of 1812.
 

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“Most revered American Mason”? You mean more than the 14 US Presidents or Benjamin Franklin? I think it’s quite the reach to call Pike the most revered. Also, it seems like everyone is trying to paint the picture of them anti Catholic, but yet it’s the Catholic Church that prohibits it members from being Masons, not the other way around. From reading their website, they clearly say that they accept anyone that worships a higher god. Seems pretty inclusive to me.

Also, these are all philanthropic organizations, no? Seems kinda petty to bash an organization that for all tense and purposes is closer to a Rotary Club than it is a secret society.

Ok!

To be clear I am not bashing Masons at all.
 

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He may be saying right evered by Masons, not by the outside. IDK.

My father was raised Catholic, and was a Mason. I still have all his books including one huge one. Will never read them out of respect, but I have been curious.

Anyway, he never denounced being a Catholic, not that he was a strict practicing Catholic...

One of my close friends was/is a grand poobar at one of ATLs locals. Both my buddy, and my father were all about the community service, which I admired. While my father never tried to exploit the political side (connections), my buddy seems to have a load of business connections via the group. I have been invited to join a few times, but have never had the time to devote.

Personally, seeing all the good that they do, and hanging at a few Mason outings (nothing mysterious, just fun), I would not rule them out due to the Church's position. They don't seem nutty at all from the views I had. Nothing like Scientology IMO. If they were whacked out, I think we all would have seen documentaries and a more mainstream phobia of them. Purely my opinion though based on what I have seen.

I am.
 

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Pike's Peak was named for Zebulon Pike a US Army officer who explored the Louisiana purchase. He was killed during the War of 1812.

Ok. Not what I learned, but ok!
 

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Masons are Gnostics. Gnosticism is a major heresy that any orthodox Christian is bound to condemn, including Greek Orthodox. Most of this recent article in The Catholic Herald on why Catholics can't be Freemasons should apply to Greek Orthodox as well.
 
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