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dublinirish said:
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When I was little my dad's cousin got married the day North Dakota State played North Dakota. Grandma insisted my dad skip the game and go to wedding because "family pictures."

So we showed up to the church for pictures and skipped the wedding to watch the game on TV lmao. Then went to reception
 
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KANSAS BIG DONATION

Far be it from me to tell someone how to spend their own money but that's an insane amount of money to give to a football program that will never be good lmao
 
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Cali_domer said:
15 mill was the previous deal... This deal is 22-25 million a year. Either way if we wanted the most money we would join the Big 10(Yuck).

ND is at a disadvantage when it come access to the playoff I think because it's us versus these mega conferences.
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Cali_domer said:
15 mill was the previous deal... This deal is 22-25 million a year. Either way if we wanted the most money we would join the Big 10(Yuck).

ND is at a disadvantage when it come access to the playoff I think because it's us versus these mega conferences.
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Jiggafini19Deux said:
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Meh. A lot of these transfers (esp from schools like NIU) are leveling up their athletic careers and making a TON of money doing so. Even if he's right, and those kids don't end up traveling, dressing, playing...guess what, they just got a pay day that they'll likely never get again in their life. Their degree is still on the table. Their college experience and life lessons are still on the table. If given the opportunity, yes, take the money. All the other things that he talked about don't magically go away just because Player-X took a million dollar pay day to transfer to School-Y.

Props for his "4 for Forty"message though. Maybe he should take pay day and come coach with Freeman. Just sayin. That message resonates better at a school like ND than NIU.
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
Meh. A lot of these transfers (esp from schools like NIU) are leveling up their athletic careers and making a TON of money doing so. Even if he's right, and those kids don't end up traveling, dressing, playing...guess what, they just got a pay day that they'll likely never get again in their life. Their degree is still on the table. Their college experience and life lessons are still on the table. If given the opportunity, yes, take the money. All the other things that he talked about don't magically go away just because Player-X took a million dollar pay day to transfer to School-Y.

Props for his "4 for Forty"message though. Maybe he should take pay day and come coach with Freeman. Just sayin. That message resonates better at a school like ND than NIU.
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I have to wonder how much any of his players hitting the portal are really getting paid. I guess it all depends on what the market will bare. Kenny Minchey never really played a meaningful down of football, but UK got a new coach and needed a QB. They splurged big. I don't know what a guy from NIU is going to snag in the portal, though.

His "Glory to God" Twitter comment was priceless as far as I'm concerned.

Very curious to see what graduation rates start to look like going forward, too.
 
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Jiggafini19Deux said:
I have to wonder how much any of his players hitting the portal are really getting paid. I guess it all depends on what the market will bare. Kenny Minchey never really played a meaningful down of football, but UK got a new coach and needed a QB. They splurged big. I don't know what a guy from NIU is going to snag in the portal, though.

His "Glory to God" Twitter comment was priceless as far as I'm concerned.

Very curious to see what graduation rates start to look like going forward, too.
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This and what the financial outcomes will ultimately be for many of these guys.

Can’t imagine it turns out well considering the bankruptcy rates among NFL players.
 
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Jiggafini19Deux said:
I have to wonder how much any of his players hitting the portal are really getting paid. I guess it all depends on what the market will bare. Kenny Minchey never really played a meaningful down of football, but UK got a new coach and needed a QB. They splurged big. I don't know what a guy from NIU is going to snag in the portal, though.

His "Glory to God" Twitter comment was priceless as far as I'm concerned.

Very curious to see what graduation rates start to look like going forward, too.
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Bluto said:
This and what the financial outcomes will ultimately be for many of these guys.

Can’t imagine it turns out well considering the bankruptcy rates among NFL players.
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This is where Notre Dame has a big advantage in the modern era. We can tell top recruits: Come with us. Spend three years here. Get great coaching and development, get paid decently and earn a real degree that'll set you up for life after football. If after that you want to go shoot your shot, you'll have two years of eligibility and we'll all be rooting for you. Hell, look at Kenny Minchey.
 
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IrishLax said:
I just have no clue how these local courts have jurisdiction
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Short answer, federalism. To be fair, it is becoming* a foreign concept these days, but he filed the suit under state contract law, so the state handles it. Their argument was that the ncaa was in breach of good faith clauses in the member contract between the ncaa and ole' miss.
 
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Bluto said:
This and what the financial outcomes will ultimately be for many of these guys.

Can’t imagine it turns out well considering the bankruptcy rates among NFL players.
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Bingo. And there will be some who fail to get a degree & blow their money and then blame the university. They need to break into two leagues sooner rather than later. One w/ the student-athlete model and one w/ paid employee model. The employee model will be able to collectively bargain & a new governing body will be necessary to lay guide rails and regulations such as salary caps, etc.
 
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jprue24 said:
How would this work?
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The student-athlete model? Just like it is now but w/ tighter framework around how many years, how many transfers allowed etc. The Employee model would be just that….no classes, just hired to play football…so business as usual for the majority of P4 schools.
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
The student-athlete model? Just like it is now but w/ tighter framework around how many years, how many transfers allowed etc. The Employee model would be just that….no classes, just hired to play football…so business as usual for the majority of P4 schools.
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Honest question. Have you paid attention to what's been happening to the NCAA in court and the reasons why? The student-athlete model is an exploitive model that was smashed by the supreme court.
 
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jprue24 said:
Honest question. Have you paid attention to what's been happening to the NCAA in court and the reasons why? The student-athlete model is an exploitive model that was smashed by the supreme court.
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No honestly it’s not a high priority of mine at the moment so I’ll defer to you & others who follow more closely. My point was I could see it going to two models. One where there are still student-athletes who get paid income to play football while having their room/board/tuition/clothing/medical paid for by the university. The other model I foresee is the young men being full-time employees that get paid to do one thing…play football. I could be 100% wrong. I think Swarbrick even alluded to it towards the end of his tenure.
 
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NFL owners will not pay for one. They have a very free and highly effective developmental farm to choose from now. NCAA Football.

They tried NFL Europe and they lost money. CFL whatever other spring football there is nobody cares about. Too many options streaming and the like.

It isn't going to happen unless they figure out how someone can profit from it.
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
No honestly it’s not a high priority of mine at the moment so I’ll defer to you & others who follow more closely. My point was I could see it going to two models. One where there are still student-athletes who get paid income to play football while having their room/board/tuition/clothing/medical paid for by the university. The other model I foresee is the young men being full-time employees that get paid to do one thing…play football. I could be 100% wrong. I think Swarbrick even alluded to it towards the end of his tenure.
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Appreciate your response. As the thread title suggests, money is the only thing that matters here and that isn't likely to change.

I believe both the models you are describing currently exist. The student athlete model sounds like an intramural/rec league model and the other is a collectively bargained model that can be made to fit the current landscape of college sports.

With current anti-trust laws, the student athlete model (because of money) has been deemed exploitive (because it is). I think for it to work it'd have to be non-profit and I have complete faith that a non-profit product would be worse than watching high school sports. I've found that most people who play intramural either don't care about winning at the highest level possible (for them) or are not skilled enough to get paid to play. Unfortunately, people want to watch players who are substantially more skilled than they are or could ever be, over players who are only marginally better than the majority.

The collective bargaining model is a viable and inevitable solution to the transfer and pay issues. Primarily because frameworks already exist, The problem is the ncaa clung so hard to the exploitive model they exposed themselves to legitimate anti-trust issues and by arrogantly dragging their feet, made it impossible to effectively pivot to a more legally defensible model of their own design. Instead, they got (get) molly whopped in court, have effectively lost all control and we have a half assed system that only agents like (probably).
 
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