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I'd also add that I am glad that it's your 50 bucks and not mine for that.

I wonder if there's a need anymore (since Kelly is gone) to sponsor something like the "$2 Romeo Okwara/Prince Kollie Blown-Year-of-Eligibility-Freshman-Year-For-Special-Teams-Play"?
 

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I'd also add that I am glad that it's your 50 bucks and not mine for that.

I wonder if there's a need anymore (since Kelly is gone) to sponsor something like the "$2 Romeo Okwara/Prince Kollie Blown-Year-of-Eligibility-Freshman-Year-For-Special-Teams-Play"?

Throw in Kona Schwenke playing in a game in 2011 because they suspended Tuitt. Really could have used him for a 5th year.
 

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There’s some randos on Twitter saying that Texas A&M spent $30 million on their record breaking class. Thirty. Million.

That's 120m for a full four year roster. NFL cap is 208m for reference. the dolphins have lowest spending in NFL at ~137m including dead $$.

Talk about semi-pro.
 

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There’s some randos on Twitter saying that Texas A&M spent $30 million on their record breaking class. Thirty. Million.

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I absolutely HATE what NIL and the free agency transfer portal have become and are doing to CFB... and I say that as a fan of one of the two or three schools it's benefited the most. Saban warned that this was how it would work out and that it would benefit him and Bama, and he still said it was bad for CFB and shouldn't happen. It's flippin' worse than we even expected. Most of us were OK with players getting to make a few bucks signing jerseys or getting some money from jersey sales. This wasn't what any of us had in mind.
 

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There’s some randos on Twitter saying that Texas A&M spent $30 million on their record breaking class. Thirty. Million.

Not to minimize how shitty this is, but I have a hunch that somehow, someway this will all blow up in TAMU’s face.

That program has found a way to disappoint for almost 100 years now.
 

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That's 120m for a full four year roster. NFL cap is 208m for reference. the dolphins have lowest spending in NFL at ~137m including dead $$.

Talk about semi-pro.

No way they can do that every year. Even the donors will run out off money
 

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Not to minimize how shitty this is, but I have a hunch that somehow, someway this will all blow up in TAMU’s face.

That program has found a way to disappoint for almost 100 years now.

Price of oil tanks ---> TAMU boosters run out of money -----> TAMU player contracts not fulfilled -----> player mutiny
 

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Not to minimize how shitty this is, but I have a hunch that somehow, someway this will all blow up in TAMU’s face.

That program has found a way to disappoint for almost 100 years now.

It’ll happen when either 1) they don’t pay someone because they aren’t producing results and they snitch to the NCAA that it was “pay for play” 2) they don’t get immediate results and boosters get fed up and the whole house of cards implodes. They are NOT going to tolerate 8-4 next year.

The consequences rarely match the action, unless you’re USC.

All in all, it’s just absurd that overnight the NCAA created a situation with the most unregulated “professional” sport in the world after spending gazillions of dollars protecting amateurism. Most people seem to think it’ll take 3-5 years to fix, at which point it will be too late.
 

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It’ll happen when either 1) they don’t pay someone because they aren’t producing results and they snitch to the NCAA that it was “pay for play” 2) they don’t get immediate results and boosters get fed up and the whole house of cards implodes. They are NOT going to tolerate 8-4 next year.

The consequences rarely match the action, unless you’re USC.

All in all, it’s just absurd that overnight the NCAA created a situation with the most unregulated “professional” sport in the world after spending gazillions of dollars protecting amateurism. Most people seem to think it’ll take 3-5 years to fix, at which point it will be too late.

See, now they get to make even more money. Which, has always seemed to be a top priority for that non-profit organization.

I was listening to something about the movie Hoosiers the other day. I had forgotten the NCAA had suspended the actors in the movie (some of them were college basketball players at the time) for taking part. Feels like there's a pretty large middle ground between their draconian rules of the past and the free for all of today. They decided to skip over middle and go to the other extreme, which seems appropriate for today's culture.
 

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See, now they get to make even more money. Which, has always seemed to be a top priority for that non-profit organization.

I was listening to something about the movie Hoosiers the other day. I had forgotten the NCAA had suspended the actors in the movie (some of them were college basketball players at the time) for taking part. Feels like there's a pretty large middle ground between their draconian rules of the past and the free for all of today. They decided to skip over middle and go to the other extreme, which seems appropriate for today's culture.

Yup, the middle ground was always to allow endorsement deals and other income unrelated to boosters with each deal going through a clearinghouse to get vetted.

Instead, because of the court ruling (which they should have seen coming from a mile away), they put in the current joke of a “policy” that has loopholes in it so big you can drive a semi through them.
 

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Not to minimize how shitty this is, but I have a hunch that somehow, someway this will all blow up in TAMU’s face.

That program has found a way to disappoint for almost 100 years now.

Counterpoint:

Aggies have spent over half a billion dollars on football facilities in the past decade to lure recruits. This might be cheaper to just pay them directly.
I don't think anyone doesn't believe A&M is trying to buy a ring.
 

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Counterpoint:

Aggies have spent over half a billion dollars on football facilities in the past decade to lure recruits. This might be cheaper to just pay them directly.
I don't think anyone doesn't believe A&M is trying to buy a ring.

Will be interesting to see what all this does to the competitive nature of the game. Personally this has been the most boring era of college football with a few teams dominating the last decade or so. Going back to a time like the 80's you had way more teams reach #1 and compete for titles. Will this make the rich get richer or spread out the talent more amongst the country. I think right now the top 4 or 5 teams have something like 50% of all the 5* kids.

I think we'll see more teams like 2019 LSU who catch lightning in a bottle (more like entice elite QB with cash) and compete for a title but have trouble sustaining from year to year.
 

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Counterpoint:

Aggies have spent over half a billion dollars on football facilities in the past decade to lure recruits. This might be cheaper to just pay them directly.
I don't think anyone doesn't believe A&M is trying to buy a ring.

one of these is university funded through bank bonds the other is not though right? Or is the belief that the University is getting money to the donors?
 

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I haven't been following this stuff that closely. Is the school, itself, paying the players? Or is it boosters of the school?* I agree that this needs to be regulated, but I have less of a problem if boosters are now just being less discrete about the bag man. That's been going on forever. ND has boosters. Are they all too self-righteous to join in that game? My biggest issue is probably the transfer portal, free agency, and tampering. That's something that directly effects ND in a negative way. They can overcome bag men w/ their own bag men. They can't overcome undergrad transfer free agency. Am I way off base here? Again, admittedly I haven't been paying much attention to the finer details of what's happening.

*maybe there isn't a difference? I genuinely don't know how this stuff has worked in the past.
 
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I haven't been following this stuff that closely. Is the school, itself, paying the players? Or is it boosters of the school?* I agree that this needs to be regulated, but I have less of a problem if boosters are now just being less discrete about the bag man. That's been going on forever. ND has boosters. Are they all too self-righteous to join in that game? My biggest issue is probably the transfer portal, free agency, and tampering. That's something that directly effects ND in a negative way. They can overcome bag men w/ their own bag men. They can't overcome undergrad transfer free agency. Am I way off base here? Again, admittedly I haven't been paying much attention to the finer details of what's happening.

*maybe there isn't a difference? I genuinely don't know how this stuff has worked in the past.

id say this is generally correct but i think the thing where some schools are operating differently is guaranteeing and organizing these deals which is against the rules. Additionally, while bagmen always existed, I don't think it was ever to the tune of 25-30m in a single recruiting class. It isnt just a less discrete version of what previously existed.
 

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Will be interesting to see what all this does to the competitive nature of the game. Personally this has been the most boring era of college football with a few teams dominating the last decade or so. Going back to a time like the 80's you had way more teams reach #1 and compete for titles. Will this make the rich get richer or spread out the talent more amongst the country. I think right now the top 4 or 5 teams have something like 50% of all the 5* kids.

I think we'll see more teams like 2019 LSU who catch lightning in a bottle (more like entice elite QB with cash) and compete for a title but have trouble sustaining from year to year.

31 of the top 100 players from this past signing day signed with GA, AL, and Texas AM. The rich got richer...
 

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I haven't been following this stuff that closely. Is the school, itself, paying the players? Or is it boosters of the school?* I agree that this needs to be regulated, but I have less of a problem if boosters are now just being less discrete about the bag man. That's been going on forever. ND has boosters. Are they all too self-righteous to join in that game? My biggest issue is probably the transfer portal, free agency, and tampering. That's something that directly effects ND in a negative way. They can overcome bag men w/ their own bag men. They can't overcome undergrad transfer free agency. Am I way off base here? Again, admittedly I haven't been paying much attention to the finer details of what's happening.

*maybe there isn't a difference? I genuinely don't know how this stuff has worked in the past.

I'd say some of it is just legalizing what has been going on forever. It's probably upped the price on these kids as they can now more openly negotiate with schools. At the end of the day, no matter what rules they put in place certain schools will circumvent them to get ahead. We're talking about institutions of higher learning (I'm sure they all have classes on ethics) who blatantly cheat a system they not only helped create but to abide by. This is why college football will never really change. The adults in the room won't follow their own rules.
 

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31 of the top 100 players from this past signing day signed with GA, AL, and Texas AM. The rich got richer...

I guess I mean more of the free agent side of things. You're right though, the rich will probably just get richer.
 

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I'd say some of it is just legalizing what has been going on forever. It's probably upped the price on these kids as they can now more openly negotiate with schools. At the end of the day, no matter what rules they put in place certain schools will circumvent them to get ahead. We're talking about institutions of higher learning (I'm sure they all have classes on ethics) who blatantly cheat a system they not only helped create but to abide by. This is why college football will never really change. The adults in the room won't follow their own rules.

I'm a broken record on this but the only long term solution is a split. Everyone talks about the P5 leaving but I think that split has to happen within the P5. The main obstacle will be the B1G who won't want to erode their network revenues but will probably have a majority that also don't want to go full SEC.
 

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There’s some randos on Twitter saying that Texas A&M spent $30 million on their record breaking class. Thirty. Million.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/bapperton063/status/1477864948327927808?s=21[/TWEET]
 

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[TWEET]https://twitter.com/bapperton063/status/1477864948327927808?s=21[/TWEET]

Yeah.... I 100% believe it.

From an ND standpoint... first of all, I don't think we have boosters ready to set aside $20M/year to "sponsor" players. Second of all, our biggest issue is that we aren't "coordinated" because being "coordinated" is breaking the rules. There is no push right now to mobilize ND people to buy recruits, period. There isn't even a faux charity like Texas set up low dollar boosters to send a check if they wanted to.

From a non-ND standpoint... what they are doing is blatant cheating on two fronts, and they will probably get away with it. I'm sure all communications are being run discreetly through 3rd parties so that no one gets their hands dirty. I would say that you will see most schools follow the Texas A&M lead if there is not some revised legislation passed this summer.
 

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I know for a fact that an SEC school’s most powerful boosters in the state I live in are setting up “organizations” to fund paying players…….not the top line players but money for all the supporting players to make sure they are also “taken care of”.
 

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SIAP, but with ND having a direct relationship with GQ, is ND doing something similar here? Or have they already been?
 
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