Floyd News

[TerryTate]

This is his 2nd run in with the law in as many years. This is also the same fanbase that rips other schools for looking the other way in similar situations. Also started threads about Jalen Rose and a Michigan player after the Michael Floyd situation.

I feel he should get at least a couple games. Now i am happy that he is not out for the year (or even most of it) but he should serve a suspension. Remember this is Notre Dame, not USC.

+1

 

[davydoc]

I would also add that he is getting punished by ResLife per the Du Lac. So people that want games added are asking for.

1) Civil penalties and fines
2) School suspensions per Du Lac
3) Additional football suspension

I find that draconian. Most universities dont get past #1. Our "inspirational peers" might get to their version of #2. Only at ND would fans demand #3.

Agree totally with the above - he can get punished in other ways than playing football, which , on another level, punishes us the fans. We need the best team on the field !! Punish the hell out of him in other ways, but don't take the football team off him, and us !!

 

[woolybug25]

In response to IrishLax's devil's advocate, why have ResLife at all?

As said, this isn't like he blew an .09 after a couple drinks. To get .19 on a 230 pound man is something that takes some effort. While I found Ian Williams' comments well-written, I disagreed with the "accident". One doesn't get to .19 on accident.

Res Life will be issuing a punishment, its not like they would be treating him differently than other students. Per Du Lac, he will be suspended one semester (either spring or summer), community service, substance abuse counseling and loss of campus driving priveledges. It has never been ResLife policy to punish athletes by suspending them for games. If they punish someone for a semester in which their respective sport takes place, then they are ineligible, simple as that. This whole "we should punish him for games" has never been part of the Du Lac, which by the way, is far more restictive than most universities.

Only at ND would fans demand that althletes be punished above and beyond both their school's guidelines as well as civil penalties set by the courts.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I would also add that he is getting punished by ResLife per the Du Lac. So people that want games added are asking for.

1) Civil penalties and fines
2) School suspensions per Du Lac
3) Additional football suspension

I find that draconian. Most universities dont get past #1. Our "inspirational peers" might get to their version of #2. Only at ND would fans demand #3.

Guess what...that's life bro. A civilian gets a DUI, do you really think that all he gets are civil penalties and fines? In some places, you can lose your job. Can't cry about double-dipping there. Say you want to get a job and they see a DUI on your record, you might not get that job. That's double-dipping too. Your wife may leave you - more double-dipping. You may lose custody of your kids. Sh!t, the list goes on and on.

Like jason said, many of us KILL other schools for having criminals on their teams with no punishment, for having low grad rates, for having easy-as-hell admissions. But now we have one of our own in trouble, and we want to give him and a pass??? Suddenly we're not 'different' anymore and we're just like SC and the SEC. Eff that man. Floyd effed up, and when you eff up and you are part of a team, then the team suffers, and yes, that sucks. I can tell you this: When I have a kid, and let's say he's a star player, and his grades dip or he screws up in school....he ain't playing sports AND he's getting punished at home. His team suffers, and that sucks for them, but the individual will leanr his lesson.

Again, old ResLife was draconian, absolutely. But suspending a dude on his third alcohol offense, after drinking and driving, for 2 games is not draconian at all. It's called life, and it's called holding your athletes to certain standards.

 

[IrishLax]

I know of two opponents on our 2011 schedule who take it far past ND.

In response to IrishLax's devil's advocate, why have ResLife at all?

As said, this isn't like he blew an .09 after a couple drinks. To get .19 on a 230 pound man is something that takes some effort. While I found Ian Williams' comments well-written, I disagreed with the "accident". One doesn't get to .19 on accident.

I think a season would be draconian although not entirely unreasonable. No games would be a sham. I suspect Kelly will find the right middle ground.

Well that's an easy one... because you need someone to decide what kids you want attending your University, representing your University, enforcing codes of conduct not bound by laws, etc.

The point is this: Michael Floyd committed a crime (totally agree with you that it is not an "accident") and will be punished accordingly. ResLife will give him a punishment probably involving a fine, community service, mandatory classes/programs he must attend, and other penalties. He has also already been indefinitely suspended from football activities.

Why exactly do people feel that those ResLife penalties + the civil penalties all other people must deal with are not enough? If Kelly decides to suspend him to send a message to the team or any other reason he sees fit... fine. That's his job. He's the football coach and can make whatever football decisions he wants.

But in no way, shape or form do I think football game suspensions are anything other than "piling on." It's simply additional punitive actions for the sake of being punitive. Why? Is there a teaching moment? Hey, maybe there is, and if that's your opinion you're very much so entitled to have it. I personally feel that by the time the season rolls around in the fall Michael Floyd will have "paid his dues" far more than most people realize.

 

[GBdomer]

Guys as much as i agree with you he might deserve a suspension. I think him not being out there with his teammates at practice and not being in meeting's is killing him. I know if i was a player and a captain that would eat away at me as much as not being able to line up against USF. You guys might think differently i am still a young kid. I got a drinking ticket when i was 16 and i felt like my world was coming to a end. I remeber breaking down in front of my parents and letting them down. I was never grounded but i did learn my lesson even though nothing got taken away from me. I am not saying this works with everyone. but i think Floyd is learning his lesson now and if you suspend him for 2 games or whatever i dont think it will really matter.

 

[BGIF]

I disagree completely. He effed up in a MAJOR way. Drinking and driving is no joke. I have a DUI; I was stupid and deserved every punishment I got and even more. He already had a couple of minor alcohol-related run-ins with the law, and yet he still got in the car and blew a friggin .19 (which is really hammered). While I'm really happy that Res-Life (if true) has stepped out of it, I would have no problem with Kelly suspending him for 2 games. Hell, I thought he'd get suspended for 4 games.

I'd take your punishments and add games to it, and not feel bad at all. This isn't SC, this isn't the SEC. Suspending the individual isn't hurting...HE hurt himself. Draconian is suspending him for the season; suspending him for a few games isn't draconian, it's punishing the young making some horrible choices. You don't want to be suspended? Then call a friggin' taxi!!!

Believe me, I'll be at one of the first 3 games, and I'd love to see Floyd play. But if he doesn't, I won't blame anybody but Mr. Floyd himself.

POINT OF ORDER, MR MODERATOR!

Where was it posted that "Res-LIfe has stepped out of it"? I'm not taking about the conditional you employed but who posted ResLife was out of it?

As I read this thread it appears the favorable part is that ResLife may have imposed the Extracurricular Activity Suspension this semester not during the Fall Semester.

Also once again it's my understanding that ResLife actions are NOT meant to be punitive but rather separate the Student for other activities so they can focus fully on their studies and remedy their problem. From all accounts Floyd has been doing that with a timely intervention from Kelly. Floyd took full responsibility for his actions.


IF that is enforcing a Spring Semester suspension, I'd suspect counseling, community service, etc along the lines that Rhode Island noted:

My punishment for Floyd: time served (no spring ball), 50 hours community service to be completed before he puts pads on again, mandatory AA/counselling, and a zero tolerance approach going forward.

Keep in mind ResLife could include preseason camp in August as being in the current semester. Kelly's suspension was indefinite. I believe Kelly was deferring to ResLife as the Higher Authority unlike a Saban or a Tressel. At ND this is a student action not an athletic one.

As I've noted before if Floyd was suspended through preseason camp the NCAA would not allow him to participate in the first couple of games until he had gone through the mandated conditioning period. Floyd would not have been suspended, he would be ineligible. He would still miss games but not as punitive action.

If ResLife considers the Spring Semester to end with the end of Spring Classes he could be reinstated for Preseason Camp and miss no games. He still would have missed a semester of extracurricular activities consistent with ResLife practice.

And keep in mind Floyd still has a May court date in South Bend. He can be fined there, license revoked, and sent to counseling and community service. Likewise he still faces further action in Minnesota where it appears he was on probation/suspended sentence for his infraction there. That judge could apply fines, revocation, etc under the terms of the previous decision.

Floyd isn't getting away with anything or off easy. He has 3 entities to deal with in UND, and two traffic courts.

 

[calvegas04]

Going through this whole process is punishment enough, plus the community service he is going to have. Let the kid play he is paying his dues.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

JUBILATION!

However, I'm a believer in off the field punishment. So I was not one who saw a suspension as a need. It only further hurts the students development.

 

[woolybug25]

Guess what...that's life bro. A civilian gets a DUI, do you really think that all he gets are civil penalties and fines? In some places, you can lose your job. Can't cry about double-dipping there. Say you want to get a job and they see a DUI on your record, you might not get that job. That's double-dipping too. Your wife may leave you - more double-dipping. You may lose custody of your kids. Sh!t, the list goes on and on.

Like jason said, many of us KILL other schools for having criminals on their teams with no punishment, for having low grad rates, for having easy-as-hell admissions. But now we have one of our own in trouble, and we want to give him and a pass??? Suddenly we're not 'different' anymore and we're just like SC and the SEC. Eff that man. Floyd effed up, and when you eff up and you are part of a team, then the team suffers, and yes, that sucks. I can tell you this: When I have a kid, and let's say he's a star player, and his grades dip or he screws up in school....he ain't playing sports AND he's getting punished at home. His team suffers, and that sucks for them, but the individual will leanr his lesson.

Again, old ResLife was draconian, absolutely. But suspending a dude on his third alcohol offense, after drinking and driving, for 2 games is not draconian at all. It's called life, and it's called holding your athletes to certain standards.

This isn't the job world and its not ResLife's responsibility to make game suspensions, their responsibility is to enforce the Du Lac. What you are asking them to do is to single out Michael from the rest of the students at ND and punish him beyond the rules of the University.

You are right about one thing, life isn't fair, and just because you think Floyd should be punished like he is in the job world, doesn't mean it is so. He should be punished like every other student athlete would... Per the Du Lac.

 

[Irish Rogue]

Going through this whole process is punishment enough, plus the community service he is going to have. Let the kid play he is paying his dues.

100% Agree with you. I think having the religious providers at ND will benefit Michael to learn from this and the court system/fines/comunity service will take it's course. He should be able to play the full season.

 

[johnnykillz]

Fantastic news.

His time served for seperation of extracurricular activites this semester is damaging enough to Floyd. Keep in mind, he has been behind on multiple occasions.

His absence from repetitions is punishment enough for the Irish Football program... It will show on the field.

 

[SLCIRISH]

Im glad, and what wass decided, was decided, by people who know what all the information is, he made a mistake, maybe he is an alcoholic, he needs help, suspending him for unrealistic amount of games would of hurt the kid, embrace him, and he will lead us to a NC and thats all I really care about.

He did not kill anyone, hurt anyone or damage anything.

Everybody handles alcohol differently, blowing some number sometimes is meaningless.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Notre Dame will have Michael Floyd back next season.

And it appears the Irish will have their star receiver in uniform for the season opener against South Florida....

IrishIllustrated.com - Floyd to return to Irish

Another link:

Source: Floyd says Notre Dame disciplinary arm won't suspend him - Chicago Breaking Sports

What me likes about the first article "...Tom Doyle now oversees the department. Doyle walked on to the Notre Dame football team during Lou Holtz's first season."

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I would. And everyone else on the team helping him not too. I think the levity of the situation has probably hit him hard. We should see the focused, prepared team leader Brian Kelly called him out to be from now on.

What has he done to earn the trust that he won't do this again? He's been arrested 3 times for alcohol-related reasons and each have been worse each time. He's a phenomenal football player but I hope he can make it the rest of his life without doing this again. I hope he isn't the Koren Robinson (might have that name wrong) of Notre Dame. He's messed up big time and got extremely lucky with this and I hope he appreciates that and works his ass off and catches a bunch of touchdowns and more importantly represents Notre Dame much better.

No one at Notre Dame should need a car. Why would anyone use one? South Bend is a terrible city and everything at ND is walkable.

 

[Irish Insanity]

This is his 2nd run in with the law in as many years. This is also the same fanbase that rips other schools for looking the other way in similar situations. Also started threads about Jalen Rose and a Michigan player after the Michael Floyd situation.

I feel he should get at least a couple games. Now i am happy that he is not out for the year (or even most of it) but he should serve a suspension. Remember this is Notre Dame, not USC.

^This

Alot of people on here bitch when other schools step aside and don't punish beyond legal punishment. One of our teamates ****ed up, he should be held to the same punishment, or greater, that we demand from other Universities.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

He is suspended right now as we speak. Have you seen him at any of the spring practices? Just because he is not suspended for any games currently doesn't mean he is not and will not be disciplined.

 

[IrishBlood81]

Omg I almost fainted...and I'm a guy. This is so wonderful I don't care to get into all the politics with you guys.
I'm just in pure bliss right now. YAY!!!! LETS PARTY...without drinking of course..just music and food. Lots of food and some soda pop. the Grape flavor!
man oh man....YES!

 

[IrishBlood81]

More Links;


Michael Floyd to play college football in 2011 | ProFootballTalk



Irish WR Michael Floyd to reportedly avoid a suspension | CollegeFootballTalk

 

[military_irish]

No one at Notre Dame should need a car. Why would anyone use one? South Bend is a terrible city and everything at ND is walkable.

South Bend is a terrible city to people that don't know much about South Bend, or read books by the cover. Just because it isn't done up as if it was on Rodeo Dr. Doesn't mean it isn't a great city.

Another point is that until a person is in their 30's or even older they have the "it will never happen to me" attitude. I know for a fact Floyd drives around town alot, to alot of different places and drinks with alot of people. So I am sure he has drove before drunk but just got caught. His other two incidents were not as bad as a DUI, this should now be an eye opener. I use to drink then drive, and didn't care. I got pulled over one time when I had been drinking, somehow got away with a warning for having a tail light out and since I have never drank then drove.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

What has he done to earn the trust that he won't do this again? He's been arrested 3 times for alcohol-related reasons and each have been worse each time. He's a phenomenal football player but I hope he can make it the rest of his life without doing this again. I hope he isn't the Koren Robinson (might have that name wrong) of Notre Dame. He's messed up big time and got extremely lucky with this and I hope he appreciates that and works his ass off and catches a bunch of touchdowns and more importantly represents Notre Dame much better.

No one at Notre Dame should need a car. Why would anyone use one? South Bend is a terrible city and everything at ND is walkable.

I agree with needing him to represent ND better.. most importantly. My point is the people around him i.e. teammates, coaches, professors, friends, family etc. etc. are now aware of his issues with alcohol and will be more apt to help him make better decisions and stay on course. Also, BK has said Mike immediately started taking the steps necessary to redeem himself and learn from his mistakes. I know most of that is prob useless jargon but I think at this point there are too many people involved in his life to let something like this happen again.

 

[johnnykillz]

Latest find: Notre Dame football: Floyd gets chance to play in 2011 - southbendtribune.com

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

I am going to knock one out....

 

[IrishBlood81]

Purple drank.

yup that

 

[JughedJones]

I for one am going to have a beer to celebrate.

 

[jakerbluegold]

Incredible! Hope he get's it turned around.

Now WHO'S READY FOR USF!

Things are looking a whole lot brighter now (football wise anyway)!

 

[RallySonsOfND]

it will be interesting to see this article blow up on espn.com when it hits...

 

[IrishBlood81]

I for one am going to have a beer to celebrate.

I think in honor of the ResLife desicion and a hope for a better future for Floyd, you should go for water in stead..just this time. than go to the beer

 

[Veer option]

it will be interesting to see this article blow up on espn.com when it hits...

Probably a plethora of haters complaining about ND having double standards.





Good news for the Irish though

 

[Old Man Mike]

I'll throw my meager thoughts into this whirlwind. At Notre Dame it is the role of ResLife to make a judgement about "time served" and "what is best for the student-in-trouble". They have done so. Their view is, apparently: Michael you're out of your extracurriculars for this semester and you'd better get to work fixing up your schoolwork and your problem. This seems like consistency of action to me and not special treatment.

Kelly's job is not to hand down special punishments over and above ResLife or civil authority unless things specifically related to team rules are involved --- he might interpret the DUI that way or maybe not. Any punishments that Kelly might choose to add on are therefore things that he decides are in the best interest of Michael Floyd and/or the team.

I am going to guess that Kelly has talked a lot about the "Notre Dame reputation" element of this with the president and athletic director and gotten a pretty good sense as to whether "public opinion" should play any role in what he does. And I'll bet that what he heard back was "pay no attention to that; do what's best for the student". Therefore, any further punishments handed down to Mike would come from meditating about what is actually good for him [a point-of-view that I'm not convinced that all our posters have].

If we really want to do what's best for Mike Floyd, then it must be something arrived at by persons who actually know Mike Floyd and where he's at right now. Is that "complete Wildman in need of a thorough spanking and shunning"? Or is that woefully sorry alcoholic [and angry drunk] in need of civil service penance and a lot of counseling and friendly teammate support? I don't know which way this will go, but I bet that the decision is made not about The Wrath of God nor the Reputation of Notre Dame, but about what can we best do for our brother.