Floyd Arrested

[JughedJones]

If he was the "truth" he would know that this isn't a "one-time offense" as he stated. Floyd has been in trouble 2 other times.

Thanks BGIF! I didn't go to ND so I wasn't familiar with the way it worked up there. If that's the case, it doesn't look good for Mike.

Not for driving drunk. Let's not conflate minor in possession with a DUI, it's not fair to anyone.

 

[irishpat183]

Not for driving drunk. Let's not conflate minor in possession with a DUI, it's not fair to anyone.

It's still alcohol related offenses...You may think it's minor, but you pull all three together and you have a pretty clear pattern.

You can downplay it all you want. But it's not gonna do him any favors when the judgement comes down.

 

[johnnykillz]

Holy ****in' hang-up, Pat-man.

We get it.

 

[IrishLax]

When the story broke I thought Mike Floyd was completely done at Notre Dame. After talking with a whole bunch of people who write big donation checks, I'm not so sure. It's complete and utter hearsay and unverified rumors... but I'll just suffice to say that what I'm hearing is that compare MacLarney's punishment for marijuana possession to Ragone's... and that is what they expect for Yeatman compared to Floyd.

 

[irishpat183]

Holy ****in' hang-up, Pat-man.

We get it.

HAHAHAHA!! Fair enough. Let's hope Mike can get back on the field this year. He's very fun to watch.

 

[johnnykillz]

I'm doubtful. And depressed. But I know miracles can happen.

 

[SLCIRISH]

Lets also remember that I really dont care about his personal life, he should of kept his partying at home, or like so many have said, found one of thousands, who would of driven him to So Cal, if he would of asked.
I, only know the football star, not the person, so, me being a football fan, I hope he doesnt get suspended at all, but me as a person hopes he gets fairly punished and is made an example of.

 

[IrishBlood81]

When the story broke I thought Mike Floyd was completely done at Notre Dame. After talking with a whole bunch of people who write big donation checks, I'm not so sure. It's complete and utter hearsay and unverified rumors... but I'll just suffice to say that what I'm hearing is that compare MacLarney's punishment for marijuana possession to Ragone's... and that is what they expect for Yeatman compared to Floyd.

Very hopeful! Thanks for this small ray of light . but if your wrong, I know you said its just rumors and unverified, but I will still tare and feather you. hehe

 

[IrishBlood81]

If this does go wrong, like a full year suspension...am I the only one getting ideas from Libya?!

 

[BGIF]

When the story broke I thought Mike Floyd was completely done at Notre Dame. After talking with a whole bunch of people who write big donation checks, I'm not so sure. It's complete and utter hearsay and unverified rumors... but I'll just suffice to say that what I'm hearing is that compare MacLarney's punishment for marijuana possession to Ragone's... and that is what they expect for Yeatman compared to Floyd.

I'm not sure how that fits. Correct me where I'm mistaken. Wasn't McAlarney busted for possession while Ragone's girl friend was deemed to be the possessor?

Yeatman did have two incidents but his DUI was for driving a golf cart on the sidewalk not running a stop sign on a public road with a .19.

Yeatman's situation was compounded that was his second offense with Res Life. No matter how trivial the incidence was, he was already on Res Life probation assumedly on a zero tolerance condition. He had already served a semester suspension from Lacrosse as that was the next season up for the two sport athlete.

We don't know if Floyd went through Res Life last year or if this is his first time. Nor how they will deal with his previous incidents.

I could see them possibily suspending him for Spring Ball and Preseason Camp - the equivalent of a semester. Without Preseason Camp he would be ineligilble for the first two or three games as he would have to make up the NCAA required preseason conditioning. That would result in the multigame suspension that some have speculated but it would not have been mandated by the football coach but by the action of Res Life.

I was surprised at Kelly's suspension as I don't recall any ND coach suspending a athlete over a incident where Res Life has primary responsibility. I'm curious if the Spring suspension was a preemptory move hoping Res Life would take into consideration "time served".

Would Res Life see that as equitable or unequal treatement as they wouldn't suspend a non athlete student over the summer months? Then again today's athletes are on campus for the summer taking courses to lighten their Fall course load and working out until camp starts. It strikes me as a viable approach.

 

[adsnorri]

Go to cjs pub on a weekend and ask him and the rest of the players what the hell they are thinking. Top players btw.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm not sure how that fits. Correct me where I'm mistaken. Wasn't McAlarney busted for possession while Ragone's girl friend was deemed to be the possessor?

Yeatman did have two incidents but his DUI was for driving a golf cart on the sidewalk not running a stop sign on a public road with a .19.

Yeatman's situation was compounded that was his second offense with Res Life. No matter how trivial the incidence was, he was already on Res Life probation assumedly on a zero tolerance condition. He had already served a semester suspension from Lacrosse as that was the next season up for the two sport athlete.

We don't know if Floyd went through Res Life last year or if this is his first time. Nor how they will deal with his previous incidents.

I could see them possibily suspending him for Spring Ball and Preseason Camp - the equivalent of a semester. Without Preseason Camp he would be ineligilble for the first two or three games as he would have to make up the NCAA required preseason conditioning. That would result in the multigame suspension that some have speculated but it would not have been mandated by the football coach but by the action of Res Life.

I was surprised at Kelly's suspension as I don't recall any ND coach suspending a athlete over a incident where Res Life has primary responsibility. I'm curious if the Spring suspension was a preemptory move hoping Res Life would take into consideration "time served".

Would Res Life see that as equitable or unequal treatement as they wouldn't suspend a non athlete student over the summer months? Then again today's athletes are on campus for the summer taking courses to lighten their Fall course load and working out until camp starts. It strikes me as a viable approach.

Not trying to compare apples to apples here. The point was simply that I heard some chatter from some plugged in grey haired folks who said every year more and more alumni complained to Notre Dame about how their draconian ResLife punishment isn't helping anyone. They said it came to a head after the second Yeatman incident because it was inexplicable how the University did not stick up for a bunch of its students and instead threw them under the bus when they did almost nothing wrong. In fact, despite the original cops story that they had a complaint from the neighbors and permission to enter the house, the neighbors never filed a complaint and the cops actually kicked in doors, harassed, taunted and unlawfully detained some of the students. Bottom line is that the students were 99% in the right, a lot of charges were dismissed, and I'm pretty sure there was a lawsuit by a group of parents that did not end well for the state of Indiana and was settled out of court.

Anyways, back on topic, there were a lot of rumors why Kirk was fired as the head of ResLife, but this group seemed very confident it was because a lot of prominent alumni/donors raised hell over the University not taking care of its own. While I don't think much written policy change (if any) has occurred, this group was very convinced that the University would find some compromise within its rules so that Floyd was able to play this season.

Quote that epitomized the sentiment: "If you think the recession and Obama were bad for the endowment, just wait until Notre Dame kicks Michael Floyd out of school when that kid from Florida only got a one game suspension. Not gonna happen."

The kid from Florida is Carlos Dunlap who got a DUI, missed only one game and then played in the Sugar Bowl. Do I think they really know what they're talking about? I'm not sure, but it's true that there has been a large anti-ResLife sentiment for a long time. Charlie Weis even said the biggest problem at Notre Dame is "Residence Life, it's not even close for second... we as parents know what we interpret with our own kids what is out of line, and we all wish the best but we know our kids are going to be in trouble in their lifetime -- but there are so many things that I think border on petty." I think that sentiment is echoed by a lot of Notre Dame parents... a lot of whom are alumni... and a lot of those alumni donate a lot of freaking money. Just thought it was worth sharing.

 

[bjohnmwc]

Well, here's where the problem comes in. For so long ND has had the reputation for having stringent admission standards for all students (including athletes), having an upstanding football program in terms of character, and has perhaps been seen as looking down on some of the other big-time college programs that have problems with football.

So....now ND has a choice. Do they go "easy" (whatever you deem that to be) on Floyd and perhaps be labeled as hypocritical, or do they go overly harsh and avoid being given the label? Either way, a lot of people will be unhappy.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Well, here's where the problem comes in. For so long ND has had the reputation for having stringent admission standards for all students (including athletes), having an upstanding football program in terms of character, and has perhaps been seen as looking down on some of the other big-time college programs that have problems with football.

So....now ND has a choice. Do they go "easy" (whatever you deem that to be) on Floyd and perhaps be labeled as hypocritical, or do they go overly harsh and avoid being given the label? Either way, a lot of people will be unhappy.

I'm selfish when it comes to stuff like this, and would love for him to play this season. I understand he screwed up, it makes the university look bad and all that, but I can only think how a harsh punishment will derail the recruiting momentum that is clicking on all cylinders. Once again, I'm selfish though, and care more about what happens on the field than the national perception of the university, which I don't think would suffer anyways if he sat only a few games, or none at all for that matter.

 

[jakerbluegold]

I myself have had a run in(or two) with the law.
He shouldn't be absolved, but for the love of God, lets let the powers that be decide his fate.

Personally, I think a 4 to 6 game suspension would be more than enough.

Let's not ruin the guy's life for cryin' out loud.

He's already taken a hit of a few million dollars by sticking with his university.

Let's stick by him, and show him some support.

 

[bjohnmwc]

I personally would not have a problem with Floyd not being able to play spring ball and then sitting out a few games. I do think that a one game suspension would be (and would be perceived as) too easy, but then you get the fan in me that wants to see Floyd on the field for Michigan and M-State.

Booting him for the entire year would have a huge impact on his future, especially because he cannot declare for the NFL draft. I know he's close to a number of ND records; if missing three games causes him to miss the records, so be it.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I kinda think I have no business posting on here, since I have no clue, and have zero opinion about the matter, but here is something I read today:

"Grace doesn't dumb-down sin to make it more palatable. Grace doesn't have to. Grace acknowledges the FULL implication of sin and yet does NOT condemn." - Andy Stanley's "The Grace of God"

I don't think I have ever piled on to troubles of other football teams. But I poop on lawns.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Love the quote.

Pretty mixed emotions about the poop...unless it's on dshans lawn and not mine.

 

[Dr. Lou]

I bet he wishes he went to Florida. He would atleast be back by the Georgia game....

 

[BGIF]

I don't think it's been posted here but I read in a news article that Floyd has a court date in May. I believe on the 7th.

Will Res Life act now or wait until after his court date? The longer they wait the less likely for a current semester suspension unless they consider "time served" for the Spring Ball suspension.


Correction: The court date is NOT in Minnesota as I posted earlier. He was ticketed locally not at home. Mea culpa.

 

[BGIF]

I bet he wishes he went to Florida. He would atleast be back by the Georgia game....

Trolling Lou?

 

[phgreek]

I don't think it's been posted here but I read in a news article that Floyd has a court date in Minnestota in May. I believe on the 7th.

Will Res Life act now or wait until after his court date? The longer they wait the less likely for a current semester suspension unless they consider "time served" for the Spring Ball suspension.

...I hope they act quickly...there are some options for Mike...agree he screwed up, but he's still one of ours...If Res life has gotta drop the Hammer, or they see other avenues for this situation...great, but lets get there. This needn't take even a month.

...then lets let Mike make some informed decisions.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

...I hope they act quickly...there are some options for Mike...agree he screwed up, but he's still one of ours...If Res life has gotta drop the Hammer, or they see other avenues for this situation...great, but lets get there. This needn't take even a month.

...then lets let Mike make some informed decisions.

I agree. If they wait til May, won't that hurt him? I know he can get into the supplemental draft, but for how long? They should be prudent in their decision making for the good of Mike, not the almighty "Du Lac".

 

[BGIF]

I agree. If they wait til May, won't that hurt him? I know he can get into the supplemental draft, but for how long? They should be prudent in their decision making for the good of Mike, not the almighty "Du Lac".

May is his traffic court date. There won't be any mention of when Res Life will have their hearing due to student confidentiality.

In the past the ND head coach would make a brief statement at a regular football conference that, for example, Larry Leprechaun will not be with the team for the Fall semester. Short and to the point. But when Spring Ball is over the next football press conference wouldn't be until right before August before preseason camp starts. We'll probably get an indication sooner from Floyd whether he enters the Supplementary Draft or doesn't.

Res Life is between a rock and hard place. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they take their time letting the local court process play out, and then hold their hearing, they'll be accused of being unfair and hurting Floyd's opportunity for the supplemental draft. If they hear his case any faster than normal, they'll be accused of favoritism expect "Under The Tarnished Dome" allegations screaming sellout.

As for hurting Micheal's future. His actions set events in motion. Taking a cab or catching a ride with a friend would have prevented it all.

 

[phgreek]

May is his traffic court date. There won't be any mention of when Res Life will have their hearing due to student confidentiality.

In the past the ND head coach would make a brief statement at a regular football conference that, for example, Larry Leprechaun will not be with the team for the Fall semester. Short and to the point. But when Spring Ball is over the next football press conference wouldn't be until right before August before preseason camp starts. We'll probably get an indication sooner from Floyd whether he enters the Supplementary Draft or doesn't.

Res Life is between a rock and hard place. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they take their time letting the local court process play out, and then hold their hearing, they'll be accused of being unfair and hurting Floyd's opportunity for the supplemental draft. If they hear his case any faster than normal, they'll be accused of favoritism expect "Under The Tarnished Dome" allegations screaming sellout.

As for hurting Micheal's future. His actions set events in motion. Taking a cab or catching a ride with a friend would have prevented it all.

I don't know the Res Life process...but for what you've shared. I did not see anything with regard to prioritization of their "case load"...

...the only thing I am looking for out of any "judicial" body is a methodical process that finds truth, and hands out punishments fairly. It seems to me, Mike isn't disputing anything. So truth seems not to be at issue. To my little brain, the seeking of truth is the long pole here...no need for investigation if the guy says he did it...seems an expedited process is logical, and fair.

It appears then, any favoritism charges would be based on the age old transgression "He butted in line"...Which by the way is exactly the juvenile mentality of Yaeger and Looney in that abomination you reference. (In case you are interested,
Tarnished Pen By Paul Sheehan is a subdued, but spot on treatment of those two criminals.) I agree, there is reason to wince when you have that kind of "journalism" going on. But those are people who lack a soul anyway, and certainly don't fear judgment, and when has ND allowed them to make an impression on their approach?

OK, my point...I'd much rather face "St. Pete" and say I chose to avoid real consequences that could go well beyond the actual punishment, and let Mike "butt" in line (by the way what judicial system does not have a flexible prioritization system for offenses with more serious consequences?).

Not bashing the system...I know there is much good in rigor, but I've also made a living helping government avoid situations where they lose sight of the mission while they merrily go about their "processes"... to me, its just another flavor of situational awareness...to others such thoughts are the path paved to hell...

...just hoping whatever happens is done swiftly...

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

This whole situation just sucks. I really hope we all get some resolution regarding this in a relative timely fashion. He really made a bad decision and he is lucky he didn't hurt anyone. I love this kid and I hate he is going through all of this, but he will have to pay the price for a really poor decision. In my opinion, he should probably miss half of the season. I would love to see him come back, but at this point it's anybody's guess.

 

[BGIF]

Floyd Meets Res Life ...

Floyd Meets Res Life ...

... happened Thursday per Tim Prister FREEBIE article at IrishIllustrated

IrishIllustrated.com - Floyd taking positive steps

April 1, 2011

Michael Floyd won't be left dangling in the wind, waiting for an interminable amount of time for Residential Life to determine his fate.

Floyd, who less than two weeks ago was stopped on campus and cited for operating a vehicle while intoxicated, has already met with or will meet with Res Life this week, according to Brian Kelly.

A source told Irish Illustrated that the meeting took place Thursday. Kelly said he could not confirm the timing of the meeting.

"What I heard was that (Floyd) would be meeting with Residential Life this week and that some kind of decision relative to that meeting would be very soon after," Kelly said. "They have not told me directly, nor have I called to ask. I'm getting my information second hand and I know Michael is scheduled to meet with them. They have informed him that a decision would be made quickly."

...

I still think the best outcome would be suspension this Spring and for Fall Camp taking into consideration that Floyd is already serving a Spring Ball suspension. Hopefully ResLife will consider the "time already served" as part of their decision and continue it for the balance of the semester.



I wouldn't make too much of Prister's glowing report about Kelly and Res Life. Nice that their talking. I never heard that Weis wasn't talking to them and keep in mind Weis build bridges with ND Admissions that Holtz, Davie, and Willingham never achieved. Charlie's comment was made after he was done coaching at ND. ResLife is the toughest thing an ND coach has to explain to a recruit. Few schools have anything like ResLife.



There's a bunch of stuff in Prister's article about Gray, Filer, Ishaq and QBs and other Spring Ball news. I didn't include any of that here as this is Floyd's thread. Plenty of space in the Spring Ball threads to discuss other player updates.

 

[IrishBlood81]

Thanks for the update BGIF!
Much more hopeful now....some light on the horizon!

 

[IrishBlood81]

Still no word on when we'll know? If they had the meeting last thursday, like a source told Irish Daily, why haven't we heard anything?

...oh wait...its only Monday...I'm too impatient...sorry.

 

[BGIF]

Still no word on when we'll know? If they had the meeting last thursday, like a source told Irish Daily, why haven't we heard anything?

...oh wait...its only Monday...I'm too impatient...sorry.

Res Life doesn't make announcements on student hearings. Those matters are considered confidential. In the past the coach, Weis, Brey, etc would simply mention at a press conference that, "Larry Lep is no longer with the team. We expect to see him rejoin the team next semester. Next question."
Sometimes the student provided information but most seem to say, "I left for personal reasons."

As long as he attends classes, I'll take it that he will be playing.