Floyd Arrested

[alaskandomer]

To Rudy: would you get off the "rape accusations" crap---that has never been part of the Suicide occurrence. I was very close to sending my first ever "red dot" on that, and wish that the mods would send you a message. Keeping bringing slurs and rumors up when they have been thoroughly dismissed as foundationless crap is "suspicious" and unwelcome behavior in a post. What's the motive??

+1 Rudy-He touched her breast, originally with her consent. There was never an accusation of rape. Also, folks, how long a SUSPENSION Mike is going to get is not the question. Will he continue to be a student at ND is the question. BK doesn't even get to weigh in until ResLife makes that decision. We're not Florida or USuCk. The University runs the Athletic Department, not the other way around.

 

[Rudy89]

+1 Rudy-He touched her breast, originally with her consent. There was never an accusation of rape. Also, folks, how long a SUSPENSION Mike is going to get is not the question. Will he continue to be a student at ND is the question. BK doesn't even get to weigh in until ResLife makes that decision. We're not Florida or USuCk. The University runs the Athletic Department, not the other way around.

I agree with you it is unfounded, however it many peoples minds it did make the university look bad. Which is why as much as I love Floyd I know I dont want this swept under the rug because of the rough year ND had

Edit: To mike my "motive" is no matter what happens this is gonna be tough for ND losing a stud or kinda looking bad by not taking proper steps. I live in a place with little to no ND fans and I had to try to defend it through all of this because they beleive it. No motive here just saying its more dirt haters will have on ND. I still think we can have a good year but when any team loses a player like him it will suck. If yall seriously have a problem with me I can refrain from discussing on this board I know Im not anyones favorite poster here it is what it is

 

[Old Man Mike]

I don't ask much. Just get the facts right on things which can be used to smear Notre Dame and don't continue to publish errors. That is not too much to ask.

As far as Big Mike is concerned: Notre Dame will NOT abandon him, but will make decisions based on a lot of thought and care for the guy, as I have stated earlier in the thread. We do not do things precipitously despite living in this "I want it yesterday" world. I believe that there is a lot of potential in Michael Floyd to grow into a great person, and not just a superior athlete, and I'm sure the ND administration does too. He is not scrapheap material, nor is anyone for that matter.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I just want to know what the punishment is...

This suspense is killing me...

 

[phork]

I really don't think this post can go much further. Endless rampant speculation about suspensions and whats a worse disease. Should be locked up imo.

 

[loomis41973]

^

THIS

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

ok, i closed it.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

psych!!!!

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

No more posts in this thread until the decision is made, starting.....NOW!

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Who is this ESPN clown with the horribly died hair? (He was talking Floyd and ND football with a Tribune reporter--forget his name already.)

 

[IrishBlood81]

ok, i closed it.

No you didn't .
ESPN just reported something to the extant that the guys in Res are new since last time and word on campus is that they'll be lighter on the sentence.

 

[Irish2015]

well I know someone in one of his classes and for what its worth he hasn't been in class these last few days.

 

[BGIF]

... ESPN just reported something to the extant that the guys in Res are new since last time and word on campus is that they'll be lighter on the sentence.

Sounds like ESPN reads this board. It was posted here yesterday around 2 PM

While we have discusses a number of precedents with Res Life there's one other important factor. The leadership positions at Res Life have undergone a change recently. And like with the Supreme Court the impact is unknown at this point. Do they reflect the new President (Jenkins) rather than the previous one (Malloy).

Less draconian leadership might result in a less than hard nosed interpetation of the first two incidents which set the tone for the current situation.

I believe the two top positions in the Department are new. They don't make the actual decisions. There's a panel that does that. This won't be brushed under the carpet because there's a new leadership. They still have a protocol they follow and people who have handled student cases before.

One of the keys to any decision is how the first two incidents are weighed. I believe the first two situations were handled by the courts as probation. It's yet to be determined but the state court could rule that he violated that probation with the latest incident andthus be reclassified the last probation as a conviction. That could/would change the gravity of the situation under du Lac.

The "word" on campus is rumormill unless you're speaking directly to members of the panel who traditionally treat these matters confidentially.

 

[JughedJones]

Sounds like ESPN reads this board. It was posted here yesterday around 2 PM



I believe the two top positions in the Department are new. They don't make the actual decisions. There's a panel that does that. This won't be brushed under the carpet because there's a new leadership. They still have a protocol they follow and people who have handled student cases before.

One of the keys to any decision is how the first two incidents are weighed. I believe the first two situations were handled by the courts as probation. It's yet to be determined but the state court could rule that he violated that probation with the latest incident andthus be reclassified the last probation as a conviction. That could/would change the gravity of the situation under du Lac.

The "word" on campus is rumormill unless you're speaking directly to members of the panel who traditionally treat these matters confidentially.

I thought they were just tickets?

 

[IrishBlood81]

Sounds like ESPN reads this board. It was posted here yesterday around 2 PM

Their reporting would be a whole lot better if they did read this forum.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I thought they were just tickets?

Part of the diversion program for underage tickets is probation.

 

[BGIF]

I thought they were just tickets?

A DUI is a ticket also. It all depends upon what a judge decides with a given ticket/citation.

The news services reported he was cited twice for underage consumption/drinking in '09 and '10. A recent report noted the second citation was still pending. That incident is from 14 months ago hence the assumption that the judge gave him an opportunity for a diversion program including counseling and a clean record over a specified period of time.

I do not know the specifics of the previous rulings. I likewise do not know if he's had a prior engagement with Res Life concerning the other incidents.

If you read page 114 of du Lac previously posted in this thread you'll see the significance. There appears to be room for interpetation. Keep in mind Res Life is not a Civil Court run by a governmental agency but rather an Administrative Hearing that students are bound by. The rules of evidence, testimony, counsel, etc that we're acsustemed to in a traffic court aren't the same in a Administrative Hearing.

 

[Anchorman]

BGIF, am I right in assuming the first/second offense as determined by ResLife/du lac pertains only to activities at ND/S. Bend? I don't know for sure but I didn't think colleges had access to criminal records, etc. IE in this case would Res Life look at this as a 'first' offense?

 

[BGIF]

BGIF, am I right in assuming the first/second offense as determined by ResLife/du lac pertains only to activities at ND/S. Bend? ...

ND's policy is you're a student 365 days a year, 24 hours a day. Rashon Powers-Neal who co-incidentally went to the same HS as Micheal Floyd was home in Minnesota when he got his DUI. Floyd's infractions came in '09 and '10 years in which he was an ND student. There was a case a number of years ago where a female swimmer got a ticket in Mexico if I recall correctly. She was suspended (from the swim team) not the school. She appealed that it was outside the country but she lost.

I don't know for sure but I didn't think colleges had access to criminal records, etc. IE in this case would Res Life look at this as a 'first' offense?

I don't know if the school has access to criminal records but they are public documents unless a juvenile or sealed by a judge. But keep in mind when some local reporter (where the ticket was issued) sees the name of a All-American football player on the police blotter it's an news item. Then it hits the wire services and we all get to read about it and the reporters covering ND ask about it at a press conference. I think it was Chad DeBolt who was arrested for a D&D, hindering/resisting etc at a bowl game in Florida in January of '03. The story broke in the local papers (Orlando I think). The pictures showed a very battered face and again IRC, the local police had so explaining to do. Regardless, he was in his last year so if Res Life took action he was already through with football so no one on the outside would know of it.

I don't know if Floyd had to go before Res Life last year for the underage issue. Likewise last year's incident MAY have been dealt with through a diversion program. Hence the question on whether the court changes the status of that 2nd citation.

The interpetation of whether he's a first second offender under du Lac is where the new leadership MAY come into play. I don't know if such interpetation is made by the Panel or by those higher up Administrators. Likewise the new administrators may schedule cases earlier than they were in the past or they may consider summerschool and preseason camp as a the time for any suspension IF issued.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

When I went through the diversion for an underage ticket at ND I got a letter in the mail from Res Life warning me not to do it again. I dont know if there really is a way to determine what they count an don't count. I had to meet with a counselor and write a book report as well but that was just part of the diversion program and not a punishment from Res Life.

 

[irishpat183]

I think it could end up like the Big Ben punishment. Start out with about 3-5 games, with the chance to reduce it through classes (such as an alcohol awareness course or something like that) and probation.

I think that would be fair in this situation. 3 game minimum because it's hard to go light when the guy has had 2 priors.

 

[BGIF]

I think it could end up like the Big Ben punishment. Start out with about 3-5 games, with the chance to reduce it through classes (such as an alcohol awareness course or something like that) and probation.

I think that would be fair in this situation. 3 game minimum because it's hard to go light when the guy has had 2 priors.

Pat, we all wish it was that simple but it's not.

At ND the coaches don't decide punishment for student misconduct. Kelly could sit one of his players for violating "team rules" BUT that's not for violating a student rule. The Administration takes care of that. If he's considered a second offender by the University's judicial panel he faces a suspension for a semester. In the past they have not suspended an athlete for a number of games because they aren't judging athletes, they judge students. Part of their ruling/judgement usually includes a semester suspension from All extracurricular activities.

I'll make the assumption that the semester ban from extracurricular activities is not meant to be punitive but rather to stress to the student to focus on the problem at hand and get it resolved.

A one game or multiple game suspension is NOT an option in this case.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

A one game or multiple game suspension is NOT an option in this case.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed until we hear a definitive ruling.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Pat, we all wish it was that simple but it's not.

At ND the coaches don't decide punishment for student misconduct. Kelly could sit one of his players for violating "team rules" BUT that's not for violating a student rule. The Administration takes care of that. If he's considered a second offender by the University's judicial panel he faces a suspension for a semester. In the past they have not suspended an athlete for a number of games because they aren't judging athletes, they judge students. Part of their ruling/judgement usually includes a semester suspension from All extracurricular activities.

I'll make the assumption that the semester ban from extracurricular activities is not meant to be punitive but rather to stress to the student to focus on the problem at hand and get it resolved.

A one game or multiple game suspension is NOT an option in this case.

^ This. It's an all or nothing scenario with the school. However, if Res life chooses not to suspend him then BK could choose to impose game suspensions if he so chooses. Correct?

 

[Ironman8]

Ian Williams on Floyd, per his draft diary. SIAP.

One of the great things about being back up here is seeing all of my old teammates. I talk to a lot of them, including Michael Floyd.

What happened to him (arrested for drunk driving early Sunday morning and subsequently indefinitely suspended from the team) was a tough incident. I wish that upon nobody.

I actually was in town the night that it happened. I actually called him a couple of hours before everything happened, and I’ve talked to him since.

He says he’s learned his lesson. He’s looking to get back into the spotlight and show people that’s not really him, because that’s not Michael Floyd.

We’re all in college, we all make mistakes. Nobody’s perfect. He’s learned his lesson. He’s looking to move forward and get past this moment.

I hope Res Life (Notre Dame’s disciplinary arm) lets him do that. Res Life is tough. I remember when I was getting recruited, people were telling me don’t be scared of the laws. Res Life is what you should be scared of.

I just hope they give him a break. It’s a one-time offense. He’s truly sorry. It’s not like he was doing it on purpose. I don’t know why he was doing it, but I know it wasn’t like, "Oh. I’m Michael Floyd. Nothing will happen to me." I just hope they give him a second chance.

As an athlete, you know what you’re getting into with the spotlight. And you can take it two ways.

We do what we do, knowing our lives are going to be public, everything we do is going to be public. That’s kind of a side effect of being an athlete, playing basketball or football or whatever.

You can take it and run and do something good with it or you can take it and run and do something bad with it. It comes down to how you perceive it and how you want to take it on.

I just want to let everyone know that Floyd is a great kid. He will get past this and will be great this season. Don’t worry about it.

 

[NDty9]

I hope Mr Williams knows something we don't, because the end of his "diary" sounds like he expects Floyd to play this year!

 

[IrishBlood81]

A one game or multiple game suspension is NOT an option in this case.

Is this new or did I just not understand this before? Cause I thought a 3-5 Game suspension was like the minimum. Now your saying its not an option?
But theres a possibility that he will get nothing at all? I'm not sure I understand this.




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[Riddickulous]

Ian Williams on Floyd, per his draft diary. SIAP.

Ian Williams is the truth.

 

[irishpat183]

Ian Williams is the truth.

If he was the "truth" he would know that this isn't a "one-time offense" as he stated. Floyd has been in trouble 2 other times.

Thanks BGIF! I didn't go to ND so I wasn't familiar with the way it worked up there. If that's the case, it doesn't look good for Mike.

 

[Old Man Mike]

The most impressive thing to me about Ian's commentary is how literate it is. Makes me proud Big Fella that you are a highly educated Notre Dame man, and will never make yourself or ND look bad in front of the camera or microphone. Bless you, big guy, also for standing up for your teammate. Hope you have a very good NFL career.