If ND wins, does Weis now have your respect?
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Nope. Not until he beats good teams on a regular basis. Beating Usc once every 5 or 6 years is not good enough for me. It might be for the Weis homers but not me.
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He has always had my respect. It is results I am after and that is hard to say until the end of the season.
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I think you have to separate "Do I respect Charlie Weis?", from "Is Charlie Weis an elite coach?"
From what I have seen of Weis, I have great respect for him. He hasn't made excuses, he's quick to take responsibility for the poor performance of the team, and he seems to really embrace the ideals of the University. If you have watched his pressers over the years, you have to respect that the guy knows football. Maybe some could argue that he lacks the ability to apply that knowledge to Saturday afternoon games, in an elite way. But the guy knows football. There have been many times that I have wondered why he did, or didn't, make some adjustment, or attack an opponent in a certain manner. More often than not, when he would explain in the presser, it made perfect sense to me. Weis is a good guy. Having said that, I realize that being a great guy, and a mediocre coach, is not good enough at ND. But, I think he is figuring things out. I seriously doubt that Lou Holtz was an elite coach, in those first years at William and Mary. But he was able to go through the learning curve, without all of the national media attention. By the time he got to ND, he was towards the top of the curve. Weis didn't have the "luxury" of making the rookie head coach mistakes at a relatively obscure school. I think he has handled the media and their pressure well. He still is able to laugh with, and at, the reporters at the pressers. And they (the reporters) seem to genuinely enjoy him.
I think he is also starting to become a better coach. Maybe he will not peak in the Holtz/Parseghian/Leahy stratosphere. But look at the Washington game:
Everyone knew that ND was going to be looking for Golden Tate to carry the offense in this game. And everyone knew that Washington would be throwing the house at Tate, to keep the ball out of his hands. So Charlie was tasked with finding ways to get the ball to Tate. It was Charlie's "decided schematic advantage" vs. Washington's "everything but the kitchen sink" approach. The result? A record day for Golden Tate. Tate played a great game, and made the most of every touch, so I'm not taking anything away from him. But it was Charlie's offensive game plan that put him in a position to succeed, in the first place.
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It was Charlie's "decided schematic advantage" vs. Washington's "everything but the kitchen sink" approach. The result? A record day for Golden Tate. Tate played a great game, and made the most of every touch, so I'm not taking anything away from him. But it was Charlie's offensive game plan that put him in a position to succeed, in the first place.
And therein lies the issue - is he a great offensive coordinator or is he a head coach? It seems almost subconsciously we only see him as the O coordinator. Hes the boss of the offense only. No, hes the head coach. This is the problem.
And therein lies the issue - is he a great offensive coordinator or is he a head coach? It seems almost subconsciously we only see him as the O coordinator. Hes the boss of the offense only. No, hes the head coach. This is the problem.
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No NDOM, your hate for CW has crossed the line. Even beating SC, and then say we go 11-1, you will still not respect him. You are blinded by hate.
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He is an outstanding offensive coach, but he annually fields defenses that range from below average to terrible.
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I have the utmost respect for the man. I was so happy that an ND alum was hired as the HC of this program.. And not just anyone, the OC of the World Champion Patriots.
I love what the man does, how he acts and takes responsibility.
What I don't like are some questionable coaching calls that directly lead to Irish losses. If ND blows out SC then kudos to him. If ND squeaks by SC then more kudos, because he is learning game management as a head coach. If he loses by a small margin, then that means he probrably went for it on 4th and 1 from the 25 yard line of SC and didn't kick the FG. If he gets blown out, well..
The definition is clear here and I think kmoose hit it right on the head. Respect vs HC Ability. He has my respect, always has. Washington was a big step in his HC game management experience. Without those FGs, ND loses. Can he do this consistently? Then he will have my props for being a great HC.
I love what the man does, how he acts and takes responsibility.
What I don't like are some questionable coaching calls that directly lead to Irish losses. If ND blows out SC then kudos to him. If ND squeaks by SC then more kudos, because he is learning game management as a head coach. If he loses by a small margin, then that means he probrably went for it on 4th and 1 from the 25 yard line of SC and didn't kick the FG. If he gets blown out, well..
The definition is clear here and I think kmoose hit it right on the head. Respect vs HC Ability. He has my respect, always has. Washington was a big step in his HC game management experience. Without those FGs, ND loses. Can he do this consistently? Then he will have my props for being a great HC.
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Will he have my respect? Thats a funny question. I respect him now as a human being. I respect him as a solid offensive coach.
I do not respect him as a head coach in general, and I REALLY don't respect him as a Notre Dame Head Coach. I don't think winning one game against USC will make me respect him as a head coach. It would take a few consistent winning seasons in the National title picture for me to respect him as the Head Coach of Notre Dame. Sorry, but its a different standard than the HC at Purdue or something.
I do not respect him as a head coach in general, and I REALLY don't respect him as a Notre Dame Head Coach. I don't think winning one game against USC will make me respect him as a head coach. It would take a few consistent winning seasons in the National title picture for me to respect him as the Head Coach of Notre Dame. Sorry, but its a different standard than the HC at Purdue or something.
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Yes, he would have my respect. But that doesn't mean it's ok for him to go on another losing streak to USC for 5 years. We should win 2 out of 3 years with our major rivals. That's success.
Amen, but you do know there is a faction here that will call you old and tired for not "adjusting expectations" to the shithole of mediocrity were mired in.
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Alot of good posts and I agree with most of them. Not sure what is left to say. I think if he was a good head coach over the last couple of years we win 2-3 more games in 2007 and 2008. I think he lacks some of the fire on the outside needed to motivate kids week in and week out on the college level. I know Gruden will be watching and waiting during this game. CW needs to win or at least remain competitive. What bugged me most about Ty was the 3 plus 30+ point losses to USC (unforgiveable) then CW comes in and tops it. HE is a creative offensive cordinator but his Defense during his tenure have been the weakest consistently under any ND coach IMO. With that said I hope they win and he keeps his job and the rest of the team continues to improve. I do like his blue collar work ethic and swagger. He alsio seems to have his kids wanting to win for him.
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This is his best chance since 2005. This team has the most talent of any of his teams since then.
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my definition of respect in this situation: respecting CW as the HC of ND.
If Weis doesnt have your respect now, he never will. Winning 1 game shouldnt erase 5 years of, in your mind, futility.
win or lose, haters will stay hate. thats what haters do.
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If Weis doesnt have your respect now, he never will. Winning 1 game shouldnt erase 5 years of, in your mind, futility.
win or lose, haters will stay hate. thats what haters do.
<~~~ (psst...post #700!)
phork
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Learn how to manage a game and I will respect you as a head coach.
Recommendation... Stop watching. Weis can't be good enough for you for the next few years.
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No coach is never good enough at Notre Dame. Not Holtz, Not Weis. This is the natutre of a coaching job at Notre Dame. Even Bowden and Paterno are being pushed out.
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Cant help it. Havent like the guy from day one. All he has done so far was promise that we were going to have a tough and nasty football team. Well I dont know about you but I'm still waiting to see it. Oh I guess he ALMOST beat Usc that year that got him a RIDICULOUS contract extension.
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The guy came to Notre Dame knowing the Hornets nest could be stirred up easily. He gives us some glimps of greatness and some lessons of NCAA football hardknox. I know I'll get bashed for saying it, but the best is yet to come.....Give him some more time.. People were bashing belicheck here in Ohio.....I thought he was a decent coach he was fired !! Now.... its "how do you like me now"?
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Keep the Faith !!
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