Floyd Arrested

[sportallyr]

If this has already been posted / discussed, I apologize, but I have a question about Floyd's eligibility. If he were suspended for the season, could he be reinstated and play next year? He never red shirted, so if this were allowed, I could see him coming back? I think I'd prefer that, rather than get him back half way through this season. A lot of the offense should be returning in 2012.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

If this has already been posted / discussed, I apologize, but I have a question about Floyd's eligibility. If he were suspended for the season, could he be reinstated and play next year? He never red shirted, so if this were allowed, I could see him coming back? I think I'd prefer that, rather than get him back half way through this season. A lot of the offense should be returning in 2012.

I'd be very surprised if Floyd even catered to this idea, but his announcement to come back for this year was also a huge surprise. If the university sticks with him, helps him through this dark time, you never know. He may return the favor more than he already has in 2012. What a great redemption story if this panned out.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

This is my take on the whole thing. Maybe not popular, but it's my opinion.

Notre Dame Football: Michael Floyd Has More at Stake Than Football | Bleacher Report

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Originally Posted by Mr. McGibblets
I can agree with that.

I was expecting a lot of criticism when I wrote that, but the feedback has been positive so far.

That is because rational, kind, loving people see alcoholism for what it is, a disease. Rational people would not beat the crap out of somebody for having cancer. A loving parent would not show distain towards their child for what they did, just the act. And anyone would set limits, not allowing repeat behavior, when the stakes are so high, and the misjudgments, so dangerous.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I'd be very surprised if Floyd even catered to this idea, but his announcement to come back for this year was also a huge surprise. If the university sticks with him, helps him through this dark time, you never know. He may return the favor more than he already has in 2012. What a great redemption story if this panned out.

The only way Mike would consider coming back is if he thought it was in his best financial interest to do that. He would have to consider how much/if any this incident has hurt his stock. If it didn't hurt his stock, no way he comes back. If he thinks he could move up 1 or 2 rounds from where he might currently be drafted, then he would possibly consider coming back.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Hi guys, Sorry I couldn't stay on for the debate I created, I had to get to my other job.

I enjoyed the feedback, good stuff, couple points:

1. .19 is a high bac....if your a rookie. Ive woken up with hangovers worse than that.

These guys are high profile athletes. I think they should get to enjoy some of the perks. If you disagree though thats all good too. To each his own.

Mike shouldn't get a pass from the school at all. We are ND ya know? I just think that these matters can be handled faster and more effective in house. Cop gets him a cab, says dont move your car until morning and gets word to the team. Let the team teach him a lesson. Anybody who has played sports in college D1-NAIA, D2 or 3 (probally not club, you hooligans) must have seen some teammate get in trouble and have the situation handled as a team. Letting your teammates down should be the worst punishment of all and thats why the team has the ability to teach him a lesson.

I wouldnt get a free pass from a cop but I am not a star athlete. But I do think if the Cops and ND fan then it has to be hard to arrest the guy.

We ask these guys to carry an attitude and a swagger on the field that makes them great and then bury them for a mistake when its their personality that makes them great. How many guys out there are 6-3 220 and can run fast. Theres a pretty good amount. How many guys are 6-3 220 and have the attitude to say Im better than you and I know it and thats why I am going to catch this ball in triple coverage. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad.

Ocho, you might want to put that shovel away b/c you're digging yourself a deeper hole with every post LOL.

 

[OchoShayneO]

Ocho, you might want to put that shovel away b/c you're digging yourself a deeper hole with every post LOL.

hahaha point taken.

 

[Rudy89]

well with this if the right thing is done we will start at best 1-2 and at worst 0-3. USF is the only game we can maybe win without him Michigan will be a loss and MSU will be a loss...damn!

 

[KPENN]

well with this if the right thing is done we will start at best 1-2 and at worst 0-3. USF is the only game we can maybe win without him Michigan will be a loss and MSU will be a loss...damn!

This TEAM is a lot better then that. Your underestimating them greatly.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

The only way Mike would consider coming back is if he thought it was in his best financial interest to do that. He would have to consider how much/if any this incident has hurt his stock. If it didn't hurt his stock, no way he comes back. If he thinks he could move up 1 or 2 rounds from where he might currently be drafted, then he would possibly consider coming back.

Also Mike has been an injury prone player based on his long frame and reckless pursuit of jump balls. I'm sure that will be taken into consideration.

 

[Rudy89]

This TEAM is a lot better then that. Your underestimating them greatly.

we are a great team. But I think those teams are better and we dont have one of our best weapons to stop them. Im not saying the season will be a total bust but it will really suck losing a 3rd year in a row to michigan which I had some optimism but a lot of doubts about that game anyway.

 

[ND101]

we are a great team. But I think those teams are better and we dont have one of our best weapons to stop them. Im not saying the season will be a total bust but it will really suck losing a 3rd year in a row to michigan which I had some optimism but a lot of doubts about that game anyway.

silly talk we are going to smack Michigan.

 

[NDinL.A.]

well with this if the right thing is done we will start at best 1-2 and at worst 0-3. USF is the only game we can maybe win without him Michigan will be a loss and MSU will be a loss...damn!

Damn dude, are you like 5 years old? Must you do this EVERY TIME something remotely bad happens to ND??? It gets really old bro. I guess I'll have to repost what I wrote earlier:

Overreact much?

We were supposed to be without him anyways...were you predicting 1-2 start BEFORE he decided to come back?

For however long he is gone, it is definitely a major blow, but this gives the team PLENTY of time to adjust to life without him, and besides that, BK's offense (given a good QB) turns lesser-rated athletes into studs all the time.

And more importantly, the defense is still in tact with the addition of several potential studs and a whole year in the same system that produced 4 stellar performances to close the year. All the coaches are back, and the kids are in one of the top strength and conditioning programs in the country.

So, while this loss blows and it completely pisses me off, no way in hell am I calling for an 8 win season. This team can still win 10 games, no doubt in my mind. If by the South Florida game, no receiver has stepped up and the offense looks pedestrian and the defense looks like the 2009 defense, then sure, we might struggle. But until then, I still have complete faith in this team and these coaches...

 

[IrishInFl]

well with this if the right thing is done we will start at best 1-2 and at worst 0-3. USF is the only game we can maybe win without him Michigan will be a loss and MSU will be a loss...damn!

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[Rudy89]

Damn dude, are you like 5 years old? Must you do this EVERY TIME something remotely bad happens to ND??? It gets really old bro. I guess I'll have to repost what I wrote earlier:

Overreact much?

We were supposed to be without him anyways...were you predicting 1-2 start BEFORE he decided to come back?

For however long he is gone, it is definitely a major blow, but this gives the team PLENTY of time to adjust to life without him, and besides that, BK's offense (given a good QB) turns lesser-rated athletes into studs all the time.

And more importantly, the defense is still in tact with the addition of several potential studs and a whole year in the same system that produced 4 stellar performances to close the year. All the coaches are back, and the kids are in one of the top strength and conditioning programs in the country.

So, while this loss blows and it completely pisses me off, no way in hell am I calling for an 8 win season. This team can still win 10 games, no doubt in my mind. If by the South Florida game, no receiver has stepped up and the offense looks pedestrian and the defense looks like the 2009 defense, then sure, we might struggle. But until then, I still have complete faith in this team and these coaches...

Hey man I know you dont care for me much and thats fine but hear me out please. Im just saying that even with him that was gonna be a tough few games. I still think we will have a good season I just think without floyd we are gonna struggle big time in the big house with their record breaking crowd. MSU was a darn good team last year and I still think they might be ahead of us.

Who knows what will happen but Floyd is arguably (maybe not even arguably) the best player on our offense and if he is suspened (which he should be) we might have a rough stretch in the begining that happens with ANY team. If the best player is out you may not think the games will go as well when he's out. For the record I did kinda think if we lost him and rudy we could possibly have another rough start but I do think this season will be better than last I just think those two games against our michigan rivals will be tough ones and not having our stud is gonna hurt us big time. Who knows what the rest of the season will hold He will be back for our gam against the condoms no matter what He will be playing against Stanford and be there for Navy for their two years in the making *** kicking at home. He will be playing in the bowl game and help us raise another trophy over our heads so the season isnt a bust and we arent doomed like I thought we were whjen we hit rock bottom against navy and tulsa this year. I just think that if he doesnt play against michigan it will make an already tough game even tougher and it would suck losing 3 and 2 in a row if that happens.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Cut Rudy some slack. Every objective fan realizes that 3-0 is very attainable with or without Floyd, but so is 2-1 or 1-2. USF, scUM, and MSU are all pretty even matchups IMHO.

 

[IrishBlood81]

Anyone get to view this and tell us what he says?

http://www.irishsportsdaily.com/football/premium-football/4360-kelly-speaks-on-floyd

Or is it just what we heard from him yesterday at his Presser?



Thanks!

 

[phgreek]

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How long you been waiting to drop that one on someone?

LMAO!

Dude, feel free to post that in response to everything I ever post because it is always hilarious...

 

[phork]

You guys who think we are doomed are forgetting that we found a defense.

 

[IrishLax]

Before you go all bonkers on Rudy please realize that most pundits, now that we are without Floyd, will probably rank us outside of the top 25 and expect us to go 1-2 or maybe 2-1 through our first three games.

Floyd, Manti and Gary Gray are the three most irreplaceable players on this team in terms of the downgrade in talent and/or experience going to the next man in. Can we still win without him? Absolutely. Hell, we might morph into Oregon with a better defense and just run the ball all over people. Anything is possible. But please don't kid yourself that Notre Dame is "as good" or that "next man in" applies to Floyd. That is an insult to him and there is a reason why Kelly called him a 6* recruit.

The Michigan and MSU games will probably be toss-ups and we will probably be the underdog to USC and Stanford. With Floyd I like us as a favorite in both the Michigan school games and even with USC and Stanford. Again, while we still have a legitimate shot at running the table, the probability of only an 8/9 win year is much higher now than it was before Mike was suspended.

 

[KAPLAN]

If we do not have Floyd we should still be favored in the first 3 games. We are a much better team than they are. BK has turned this into a great team. Michigan is a complete joke that is going from a spread to who knows, they are going to be horrible. State is the only game I am worried about in the first 3.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

If we do not have Floyd we should still be favored in the first 3 games. We are a much better team than they are. BK has turned this into a great team. Michigan is a complete joke that is going from a spread to who knows, they are going to be horrible. State is the only game I am worried about in the first 3.

Felt that way going into the scUM game the last two years, and look what happened. I'm done underestimating them. The Big House will be INSANE for that game too.

 

[IrishLax]

If we do not have Floyd we should still be favored in the first 3 games. We are a much better team than they are. BK has turned this into a great team. Michigan is a complete joke that is going from a spread to who knows, they are going to be horrible. State is the only game I am worried about in the first 3.

Michigan beat us at home last year and now we have to go play at their place in the first night game ever.... that's a toss up. MSU is clearly a toss up, although depending on our performances in the first two games, we might be a slight favorite at home. USF is the only team we'd be a clear favorite over with this roster, and they are going to be much better on offense next year so that game scares me.

We are not "much better" than any of those teams. Our biggest trump card is the potential for our defense to be a legitimate top 5 unit, but that is far from guaranteed. Most people forget the reason why we were so good at the end of last season was that Brian Smith absolutely dominated playing alongside Manti Te'o at ILB.

Lo Wood, Calabrese (or whoever gets the nod at that second ILB spot), Motta/Slaughter and Louis Nix all have a lot to prove before we bank on having a great defense. Optimism is good, over-confidence and arrogance is not.

 

[Rudy89]

If we do not have Floyd we should still be favored in the first 3 games. We are a much better team than they are. BK has turned this into a great team. Michigan is a complete joke that is going from a spread to who knows, they are going to be horrible. State is the only game I am worried about in the first 3.

If I may be so bold I think the last two years we have had an overall more talented team than Michigan but they played better ball than us made plays when they needed to and have major braggin rights over us right now. Michigan and MSU seem like they will always be toss ups regardless of talent and the last two years theyve had our number they had our number last year when we were at home I dont think we are going to be favored over them when we have to go to thier place for the first night game with an insane big house crowd without floyd would not have any odds in our favor. Who knows what will happen in this wacky world of college football Sombody could step up our D could shut shoelace and the UM offense down or our O could struggle dealing with the Big House noise without our go to guy. Rees is still young and despite winning 4 in a row he had Floyd in those games Crist to my knowledge hasnt won a "big" game as a starter. Im not saying our season is doomed but c'mon you gotta think we will have at the very least SOMEWHAT of a disadvantage in those games without number 3.

Edit: this is just a question but do you think floyd will be suspended the entire year or will it just be some first games or what? I really hope it isnt all year but once again you never know especially with a school like ND that needs to look good even more so know with rape accusations and Declan SUllivan.

 

[mgriff]

Michigan beat us at home last year and now we have to go play at their place in the first night game ever.... that's a toss up. MSU is clearly a toss up, although depending on our performances in the first two games, we might be a slight favorite at home. USF is the only team we'd be a clear favorite over with this roster, and they are going to be much better on offense next year so that game scares me.

We are not "much better" than any of those teams. Our biggest trump card is the potential for our defense to be a legitimate top 5 unit, but that is far from guaranteed. Most people forget the reason why we were so good at the end of last season was that Brian Smith absolutely dominated playing alongside Manti Te'o at ILB.

Lo Wood, Calabrese (or whoever gets the nod at that second ILB spot), Motta/Slaughter and Louis Nix all have a lot to prove before we bank on having a great defense. Optimism is good, over-confidence and arrogance is not.

I remember the staff saying Brian Smith was an outside backer throughout the preseason and first couple weeks, and then he got shifted inside. I found that amusing, but you are spot on. We need someone to step in beside Manti with athleticism to make plays. I'm strangely comfortable on the outside right now, although Fleming will need to step up this year. It looks like we have plenty of depth right now, so finding someone to fill in and do a great job should be doable.

 

[laservet]

Just to clarify on this (any cops on the board please correct me if I'm wrong) but a guy I work with is also a volunteer sheriff and told me that the eye test where they make you look to one side is basically impossible to pass and each eye counts as a separate test. So I don't think we should be jumping to the conclusion that failing field sobriety tests = Michael Floyd was smashed. I know I 'failed' the test with one gin and tonic in me.

The cop's responsibility was to everyone else on the road, not to ND or Floyd.

I passed that nystagmus test New Year's Eve with two glasses of wine over a period of four hours in me, but if your ba is high enough it is impossible to fake.

 

[Old Man Mike]

To Rudy: would you get off the "rape accusations" crap---that has never been part of the Suicide occurrence. I was very close to sending my first ever "red dot" on that, and wish that the mods would send you a message. Keeping bringing slurs and rumors up when they have been thoroughly dismissed as foundationless crap is "suspicious" and unwelcome behavior in a post. What's the motive??

 

[BurningRiver]

Quick question. All this "first three games" talk has nothing to do with a three-game suspension right? Why is the conversation all about the first three? Is it just hypothetical, "how well start the season" talk or is it tied to a 3 game suspension I don't know about.

ThAnks.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

well with this if the right thing is done we will start at best 1-2 and at worst 0-3. USF is the only game we can maybe win without him Michigan will be a loss and MSU will be a loss...damn!

I didn't realize Riddickulous had two names on here...

 

[ab2cmiller]

Quick question. All this "first three games" talk has nothing to do with a three-game suspension right? Why is the conversation all about the first three? Is it just hypothetical, "how well start the season" talk or is it tied to a 3 game suspension I don't know about.

ThAnks.

Pure speculation at this point, but it seems like a majority of people on this board think that there will be at least a 3 game suspension. It could be less or more. Nobody knows at this point.

 

[phgreek]

I like what Floyd does...stresses the defense alot. Just ask Miami.

That said, I'm not worried so much over the first three games, and if any, I worry about Skip Holtz and his boys more than the MIs. First game...anything can happen.

having Michael out makes me think Kelly might accelerate the emergence of the mobile QBs, and we'll just see more of that package in Michael's absence, or until someone emerges in his spot as a similar stress on defenses.

I really think we have alot of weapons on offense...I think we'll just take people out with "grenades" instead of "rockets"...not sure I have a preference if the result is a W.

I see worst case as 2-1 in the first 3, and still more likely 3-0. I worry more about Stanford, So Cal, or us being flat or banged up later in the year and getting clipped by someone we don't see coming. We are going to shut out the Michigans this year...