Fall Camp 2019

[Luckylucci]

Yeah sounds like the nickel back is up for grabs at this point so if he's ready he could certainly jump into that spot this year.

Even if it's not this year but he can be the Nickel for 2020-2022, that'd be huge. I think we'd all like to see some consistency from that position and it seems like the staff does as well. Since, they are starting to recruit for that specific profile.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Reading up on Street Sharks. Apparently the football player is a Whale Shark named "Big Slammu" post-transformation. Serious meme potential here.

 

[Luckylucci]

Move to 2019 Preseason Player Predictions Thread

 

[NDBoiler]

Isn’t it shark week?

 

[IrishLion]

It might be fun to do this before and after Fall Camp and see if any of our answers change between now and then.

MVP (best player): Book
Most Important (indispensable) Player: Book
Most Improved: Armstrong
Most Surprising: Michael Young
Best Position Group: DL
Worst Position Group: LB
Most Improved Position Group: LB
Most Productive Freshman: Hamilton
Most Surprising Freshman: Bertrand

I'll update this post if there are any suggestions on other categories that are worth it that I have missed.

This is good, but you should make a new thread for it so we can revisit it in a dedicated space and make fun of each other and/or laugh and cry with one another if the season goes poorly.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Hamilton replacing Elliot as the starter and Elliot only playing in nickel? Or moving Elliot to nickel when they are in nickel?

Maybe the ladder. The Elliot/Gilman duo at safety is etched in stone. No player is disrupting that.

As much as teams are going to need to be in nickel nowadays I don't see this as a bad idea if we have no other options. End goal is to get the best 11 out there and if this is the case I'm ok with it.

 

[NDdomer2]

Hamilton replacing Elliot as the starter and Elliot only playing in nickel? Or moving Elliot to nickel when they are in nickel?

Maybe the ladder. The Elliot/Gilman duo at safety is etched in stone. No player is disrupting that.

Correct the ladder. Prister himself said he thought any talk of that in the spring was nonsense, but he said after the reports over the summer he is much more interested in that now.

 

[EddytoNow]

Just listened to the 247 podcast. Tim and Tim said that Hamilton, Wallace, Bertrand, Carrol, and Cam Hart have all had fantastic summers thus far.

This, if true, is great news.

We need Carroll, Banks, Hainsey, Kraemer, and the other OL-men to step up big to get the production out of the OL we've been waiting for.

Hamilton and Wallace would add some need depth in the Defensive backfield.

Cam Hart would give some added depth behind Jones and Armstrong at RB, if injuries become a problem or if they don't live up to expectations.

And Bertrand could surprise us at LB. I think many of us have underestimated the impact he's going to have over the next four years.

 

[BobbyMac]

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Does anyone know how Derek Allen is doing? I was really excited when he signed. Would love to have him and Hamilton starting next year if Alohi declares. Of course that's if he's ready.

 

[BabyIrish]

Does anyone know how Derek Allen is doing? I was really excited when he signed. Would love to have him and Hamilton starting next year if Alohi declares. Of course that's if he's ready.

Most of the reporters weren’t impressed during spring practices but they saw something in the Blue Gold game. We’ll see during Fall Camp.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

This, if true, is great news.

We need Carroll, Banks, Hainsey, Kraemer, and the other OL-men to step up big to get the production out of the OL we've been waiting for.

Hamilton and Wallace would add some need depth in the Defensive backfield.

Cam Hart would give some added depth behind Jones and Armstrong at RB, if injuries become a problem or if they don't live up to expectations.

And Bertrand could surprise us at LB. I think many of us have underestimated the impact he's going to have over the next four years.

Cam Hart will never be a RB. He's a pure WR, could maybe be a safety but his frame isn't built for RB>

Does anyone know how Derek Allen is doing? I was really excited when he signed. Would love to have him and Hamilton starting next year if Alohi declares. Of course that's if he's ready.

He's doing great. On instagram, he gives all the glory to God and talks excitedly about the things to come. I believe he had a delicious meal with his homies recently.

 

[Luckylucci]

Per BGI, Allen tested quite well through summer conditioning. Impressive numbers. Now it just needs to translate to the field.

 

[fightingirish26]

Per BGI, he tested quite well through summer conditioning. Impressive numbers.

hart or allen?

 

[Luckylucci]

Allen, updated the post.

 

[EddytoNow]

Cam Hart will never be a RB. He's a pure WR, could maybe be a safety but his frame isn't built for RB>



He's doing great. On instagram, he gives all the glory to God and talks excitedly about the things to come. I believe he had a delicious meal with his homies recently.

Thank you for the correction on Cam Hart. I had his name confused with RB Kyren Williams. They are completely different players.

With that being said, is Kyren Williams expected to get any playing time or is he destined to a four-game maximum and a redshirt year? Wasn't he the running back that looked pretty good in the Spring Game?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Thank you for the correction on Cam Hart. I had his name confused with RB Kyren Williams. They are completely different players.

With that being said, is Kyren Williams expected to get any playing time or is he destined to a four-game maximum and a redshirt year? Wasn't he the running back that looked pretty good in the Spring Game?

He got some burn in the spring game (and looked solid) but he's too similar to Tony Jones, Jr. to expect a lot of snaps this year. Remember, Jones was out for the spring game.

I think Jahmir Smith is expected to be the #3.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Thank you for the correction on Cam Hart. I had his name confused with RB Kyren Williams. They are completely different players.

With that being said, is Kyren Williams expected to get any playing time or is he destined to a four-game maximum and a redshirt year? Wasn't he the running back that looked pretty good in the Spring Game?

He got some burn in the spring game (and looked solid) but he's too similar to Tony Jones, Jr. to expect a lot of snaps this year. Remember, Jones was out for the spring game.

I think Jahmir Smith is expected to be the #3.

Here is the thing with the RB's. Neither Tony Jones JR nor Jafar Armstrong have proven they can stay healthy for a season. It's rare in general for any RB in college football to not miss a game in a season. So for that reason I think Kyren will get into more than 4 games this season. not to mention he looks like a bull for short yardage situations.

I do agree that Jahmir Smith is slotted as the third RB and I am looking forward to watching him this fall.

 

[EddytoNow]

Here is the thing with the RB's. Neither Tony Jones JR nor Jafar Armstrong have proven they can stay healthy for a season. It's rare in general for any RB in college football to not miss a game in a season. So for that reason I think Kyren will get into more than 4 games this season. not to mention he looks like a bull for short yardage situations.

I do agree that Jahmir Smith is slotted as the third RB and I am looking forward to watching him this fall.

That's kind of what I thought regarding the injury history of Tony Jones and Jafar Armstrong. We could very well need four or five running backs ready to play considering the injury history of our top two. Kyren could see more playing time as a direct result of an untimely injury to players higher on the depth chart. He did look pretty good in the Spring Game.

 

[stlnd01]

Not as sure about C’Bo but I think both Jahmir and Kyren Williams will contribute in important moments this season.

 

[RDU Irish]

I'm not to worried about burning an RB redshirt. That recruiting is on the upswing and the current roster may want to get their PT now.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I'm not to worried about burning an RB redshirt. That recruiting is on the upswing and the current roster may want to get their PT now.

Right RB is generally a position that turns over quickly, even more so at other schools it seems. Get out sooner while you've got more in the tank/less blows.

C'bo seems like he's just buried. Kyren looked good in the spring game and Jahmir had his moments last year too later in the year.

Only touch I recall of the top of my head for C'bo is the brief KR stint he had.

 

[Luckylucci]

It seems like most S&C updates, if not all, are positive. That's probably one part the S&C program has improved dramatically and one part it's the "offseason" so TIFWIW, but per BGI C'Bo had a really good summer in the weight room. Apparently he's added some needed strength and has an extra gear that some of the RB's may not.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

It seems like most S&C updates, if not all, are positive. That's probably one part the S&C program has improved dramatically and one part it's the "offseason" so TIFWIW, but per BGI C'Bo had a really good summer in the weight room. Apparently he's added some needed strength and has an extra gear that some of the RB's may not.

That's awesome news for the depth at that position.

Obviously, if we stay healthy there with Jafar and TJ, we probably won't see much of the other three, other than Smith maybe getting a bit of the action to share the load.

But good to know he's gotten some positive feedback if a dire situation unfolds.

 

[arrowryan]

That's awesome news for the depth at that position.

Obviously, if we stay healthy there with Jafar and TJ, we probably won't see much of the other three, other than Smith maybe getting a bit of the action to share the load.

But good to know he's gotten some positive feedback if a dire situation unfolds.

Health is obviously the big key word here. We almost always have injuries at this position and its easy to understand why; they take a beating. I'd say the chances of Jafar and TJ staying healthy are <20%. Jahmir Smith will almost certainly be called upon. Kyren or C'Bo will probably be relied on as well.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Here is the thing with the RB's. Neither Tony Jones JR nor Jafar Armstrong have proven they can stay healthy for a season. It's rare in general for any RB in college football to not miss a game in a season. So for that reason I think Kyren will get into more than 4 games this season. not to mention he looks like a bull for short yardage situations.

I do agree that Jahmir Smith is slotted as the third RB and I am looking forward to watching him this fall.

Not disagreeing with you but wasn't Jafar's only real injury the knee infection? That's kind a fluke injury, not like a bone, muscle, or ligament problem. Tony, I agree on. He has seemed to have some type of injury every season.

 

[BobbyMac]

I'm not to worried about burning an RB redshirt. That recruiting is on the upswing and the current roster may want to get their PT now.

While I like who they are bringing in the past two classes, they will need two next year.

Shipley's the only offer out right now. Sounds like there's some traction there.

They need to offer the following ASAP:

1. Mar'Keise Irving
2. Jaylen Anderson

 

[NDMIA]

Health is obviously the big key word here. We almost always have injuries at this position and its easy to understand why; they take a beating. I'd say the chances of Jafar and TJ staying healthy are <20%. Jahmir Smith will almost certainly be called upon. Kyren or C'Bo will probably be relied on as well.

Usually it is good to have 4 RB’s ready to go in fall camp and probably 5-6 on the roster so some others can develop and be there in case of a serious injury or weird transfer. Right now ND has RS JR Tony Jones Jr, RS SO Jafar Armstrong, RS FR Jahmir Smith and RS FR C’Bo Flemister who all have at least some experience and at least a year of learning under their belt. Kyren Williams is an insurance policy in case something happens and unless something changes drastically they can let him develop on his own clock and when he’s absolutely ready they can let him run. From a numbers perspective, ND’s in great shape. From a depth perspective, ND really needs to work on their #3 & #4 getting comfortable in the offense in case anything happens to the top 2 backs

 

[EvilleIrish]

Usually it is good to have 4 RB’s ready to go in fall camp and probably 5-6 on the roster so some others can develop and be there in case of a serious injury or weird transfer. Right now ND has RS JR Tony Jones Jr, RS SO Jafar Armstrong, RS FR Jahmir Smith and RS FR C’Bo Flemister who all have at least some experience and at least a year of learning under their belt. Kyren Williams is an insurance policy in case something happens and unless something changes drastically they can let him develop on his own clock and when he’s absolutely ready they can let him run. From a numbers perspective, ND’s in great shape. From a depth perspective, ND really needs to work on their #3 & #4 getting comfortable in the offense in case anything happens to the top 2 backs

Totally agree. Easy to forget that at the 2015 Stanford game we were down to the #4 and #5 backs that season.

 

[arrowryan]

Usually it is good to have 4 RB’s ready to go in fall camp and probably 5-6 on the roster so some others can develop and be there in case of a serious injury or weird transfer. Right now ND has RS JR Tony Jones Jr, RS SO Jafar Armstrong, RS FR Jahmir Smith and RS FR C’Bo Flemister who all have at least some experience and at least a year of learning under their belt. Kyren Williams is an insurance policy in case something happens and unless something changes drastically they can let him develop on his own clock and when he’s absolutely ready they can let him run. From a numbers perspective, ND’s in great shape. From a depth perspective, ND really needs to work on their #3 & #4 getting comfortable in the offense in case anything happens to the top 2 backs

I have high hopes for Kyren this season. I wouldn't be surprised if he burns his RS this season. He's shorter, but he runs like a bowling ball, has great hands, and is quick.