Fall Camp 2019

[IrishFaninTX]

and the deep ball is what book struggles with. figures!

It's simple. Instead of a 2 RB set, we run a 2 QB set. Defenses will have to account for the deep ball and the short stuff, they won't know who is going to get the snap.

I didn't think Italics were necessary.

 

[Luckylucci]

Assuming today wasn't an aberration, based on these reports if the middle of our defense can be any good at all we should be spooky.

Right and one CB. Sounds like the collection of Gilman, Elliot, Pride, JOK, Okwara, and Kareem play at a near elite level.

 

[NDMIA]

RS FR Jack Lamb - RS SR Asmar Bilal - RS SO Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
SO Shayne Simon - SO Bo Bauer - SO Paul Moala
JR Jordan Genmark-Heath - RS JR Jonathan Jones - FR Jack Kiser
RS SO Drew White - FR JD Bertrand
FR Marist Liufau - FR Osita Ekwonu

Just a guess. Listened to a few podcasts and saw a few practice things and thought this. Now a guy like Drew White could’ve been getting reps and analysts just didn’t talk about him much. Jones I only listed above Bertrand and Ekwonu because of age cause I haven’t heard one word about how he’s doing but I’d assume he’s falling down the depth chart because of a lack of fit in Clark Lea’s defense. Almost every single guy can probably switch up positions on this imaginary depth chart tomorrow cause that’s how volatile the first couple of days of training camp are. I think Lamb, Bilal, and JOK are the starting LBers in week 1 but Simon, Bauer, JGH, White, and Moala all see time at LBer at some points so things could change big time.

 

[NDMIA]

SR Troy Pride Jr.
SR Donte Vaughn
RS SR Shaun Crawford

That could be a super old secondary if reports are true of Vaughn having a good first day. That trio could be a pretty solid package during the season. Been in the system a long time. I hope Griffith makes a move and Bracy gets a lot of reps too.

 

[Luckylucci]

White shared second team reps with Bauer though it sounds like Bauer had a larger share.

Someone I left out before but was noted quite a bit was Jahmir Smith. Apparently impressing most in attendance.

 

[NDMIA]

White shared second team reps with Bauer though it sounds like Bauer had a larger share.

Someone I left out before but was noted quite a bit was Jahmir Smith. Apparently impressing most in attendance.

Thanks for the nugget on White. After seeing the depth chart written out it’s pretty shocking how many bodies ND has at LBer. It’s pretty wild and makes sense why the staff let Cody Simon go. 5 deep at two positions is crazy stuff. Only Rover is a spot where if JOK goes down then I’d be concerned cause it doesn’t seem to be very cross trained the rover position so it could get quickly worrisome. It definitely seems like Buck and Mike you could have 5-6 different guys start at either position and be relatively comfortable with their production. Hopefully out of that pile up comes 3 star LBers that dominate on defense but we’ll see. Long way to go in camp and tons more stuff to get to.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

White shared second team reps with Bauer though it sounds like Bauer had a larger share.

Someone I left out before but was noted quite a bit was Jahmir Smith. Apparently impressing most in attendance.

This is what he heard in the spring about Jahmir. I loved the kid coming out of high school and thought he could be a bell cow type back. I’m glad he seems to have a bright future.

Thanks for the nugget on White. After seeing the depth chart written out it’s pretty shocking how many bodies ND has at LBer. It’s pretty wild and makes sense why the staff let Cody Simon go. 5 deep at two positions is crazy stuff. Only Rover is a spot where if JOK goes down then I’d be concerned cause it doesn’t seem to be very cross trained the rover position so it could get quickly worrisome. It definitely seems like Buck and Mike you could have 5-6 different guys start at either position and be relatively comfortable with their production. Hopefully out of that pile up comes 3 star LBers that dominate on defense but we’ll see. Long way to go in camp and tons more stuff to get to.

If JOK goes down I have supreme confident in Paul Maola and I don’t think there would be much of a drop off. Thought Paul was one of the more impressive players for the spring game.



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[arrowryan]

Idk if this was already posted but, per SBT, the defense had 5 interceptions yesterday. 3 by Phil and 2 by Book.

Hamilton had 3, Gillman had 1 (off of Keys' hands), and JOK had 1.

I'm very intrigued by JOK. I was excited about his potential before camp started. But after reading about practice, someone like him could take this defense to new levels.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

This is what he heard in the spring about Jahmir. I loved the kid coming out of high school and thought he could be a bell cow type back. I’m glad he seems to have a bright future.




If JOK goes down I have supreme confident in Paul Maola and I don’t think there would be much of a drop off. Thought Paul was one of the more impressive players for the spring game.



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It's too early to tell if there would be a dropoff. People are saying JOK is every bit as fast as Jaylon Smith. I highly doubt Moala is that fast so let's hope JOK is 100 all season because even Kelly was saying he is the dictionary definition of what you want at Rover.

Idk if this was already posted but, per SBT, the defense had 5 interceptions yesterday. 3 by Phil and 2 by Book.

Hamilton had 3, Gillman had 1 (off of Keys' hands), and JOK had 1.

I'm very intrigued by JOK. I was excited about his potential before camp started. But after reading about practice, someone like him could take this defense to new levels.

Agreed on JOK. Sounds like he's really rounding into form

 

[ResLife Hero]

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[Luckylucci]

I believe JOK had another two PBU’s as well.

 

[IrishLion]

So no disrespect to Prister, but hard to imagine it's not similar to Dexter, because there's not much else it could be, since nothing has broke about it.

Hold up... you're going to disagree on the situation with a beat reporter, who is likely talking directly to the coaching staff about the situation?

It's obviously an unspoken suspension again (as Prister first 'confirmed'), but that doesn't mean he's in a similar situation as Dexter. It's likely a university conduct issue, which could be so many different things.

I can spot differences in the situation, and I'm not even talking to the coaches like Prister is lol. Dexter was getting good reviews from BK, even when he wasn't available. BK isn't talking up Austin the same way, regardless of Austin committing himself to the weight program.

 

[BabyIrish]

Hold up... you're going to disagree on the situation with a beat reporter, who is likely talking directly to the coaching staff about the situation?

It's obviously an unspoken suspension again (as Prister first 'confirmed'), but that doesn't mean he's in a similar situation as Dexter. It's likely a university conduct issue, which could be so many different things.

I can spot differences in the situation, and I'm not even talking to the coaches like Prister is lol. Dexter was getting good reviews from BK, even when he wasn't available. BK isn't talking up Austin the same way, regardless of Austin committing himself to the weight program.

Well said. This situation seems to be much more like Stepherson then Dexter.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Interesting that I saw a report that sais Book stood out but The video about they say he didn't look great.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Pete Sampson said that Jurkovec had a mixed day but also notes he was much, much better than he looked at the spring game.

Also, I was surprised to see Kyren Williams got reps in the slot. That sure doesn't fit my mental image of him from the spring.

The guy he talked up the most was JOK. He is really high on the talent level at Rover.

 

[fightingirish26]

Pete Sampson said that Jurkovec had a mixed day but also notes he was much, much better than he looked at the spring game.

Also, I was surprised to see Kyren Williams got reps in the slot. That sure doesn't fit my mental image of him from the spring.

The guy he talked up the most was JOK. He is really high on the talent level at Rover.

Kyren may be a round little fella but I think some of the recruiting services even had him rated as a WR at one point. Had over 2000 yards receiving in HS. Got 3 legit receiving threats coming out of the backfield when you factor in Jafar and to a lesser extent Tony.

 

[Irish#1]

I like reading the camp thread. Not so much for the updates and observations, but more for the entertainment value.

 

[Luckylucci]

Pete Sampson said that Jurkovec had a mixed day but also notes he was much, much better than he looked at the spring game.

Also, I was surprised to see Kyren Williams got reps in the slot. That sure doesn't fit my mental image of him from the spring.
The guy he talked up the most was JOK. He is really high on the talent level at Rover.

Kyren is down a few lbs. from Spring.

It seems like JOK is trending towards a true difference maker at Rover.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Pete Sampson said that Jurkovec had a mixed day but also notes he was much, much better than he looked at the spring game.

Also, I was surprised to see Kyren Williams got reps in the slot. That sure doesn't fit my mental image of him from the spring.

The guy he talked up the most was JOK. He is really high on the talent level at Rover.

Kyren may be a round little fella but I think some of the recruiting services even had him rated as a WR at one point. Had over 2000 yards receiving in HS. Got 3 legit receiving threats coming out of the backfield when you factor in Jafar and to a lesser extent Tony.

I've heard multiple reporters state Kyren W. has the best hands of any of our RBs. They said he attacks the ball, high points and knows how to run after the catch and looks fluid running routes.

He's getting minutes this year and if the early PT goes well, he might earn more touches.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Hold up... you're going to disagree on the situation with a beat reporter, who is likely talking directly to the coaching staff about the situation?

It's obviously an unspoken suspension again (as Prister first 'confirmed'), but that doesn't mean he's in a similar situation as Dexter. It's likely a university conduct issue, which could be so many different things.

I can spot differences in the situation, and I'm not even talking to the coaches like Prister is lol. Dexter was getting good reviews from BK, even when he wasn't available. BK isn't talking up Austin the same way, regardless of Austin committing himself to the weight program.

With both Dexter and Stepherson, we didn't know anything about the details of the incident or any suspension that would be served.

It was implied that they were going to be out for some time, but nothing confirmed.

How Austin responds to the incident isn't tied to the incident itself. It can be that Dexter responded better to the incident than Austin. Dexter was also a senior with plenty of time between incidents, thus possibly more leeway. Austin wasn't even on campus for even a year and there was already rumblings that he was going to have to sit out games.

It's possible that Austin broke another university policy, but what else is there? If it was academic, then we aren't having a discussion about how many games he's out for. He's suspended for the year. Possible that Austin was caught several times in succession with drugs, thus on thinner ice than Dexter.

The point is that coaches aren't going to reveal anything about this, not to fans, not to analysts. They aren't permitted to do so.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Well said. This situation seems to be much more like Stepherson then Dexter.

Again, with both, nobody had confirmed info on what was the cause of the suspension or where each player was in each respect. Based on the reports from the offseason and Kelly's comments, he's closer to Dexter than Stepherson. He's actually somewhat involved in practice, was deemed "starving" by Balis, but it appears clear that he'll be out for some time. With Stepherson, there was virtually nothing on him. He was MIA in practice reps, heard nothing about him minus the Kelly coach speak. He's not speaking as glowingly about him as Dexter, but it's definitely nothing like KS.

On top of that, KS was going to be fine if he stayed out of trouble after he came back. He obviously didn't.

 

[Luckylucci]

Again, with both, nobody had confirmed info on what was the cause of the suspension or where each player was in each respect. Based on the reports from the offseason and Kelly's comments, he's closer to Dexter than Stepherson. He's actually somewhat involved in practice, was deemed "starving" by Balis, but it appears clear that he'll be out for some time. With Stepherson, there was virtually nothing on him. He was MIA in practice reps, heard nothing about him minus the Kelly coach speak. He's not speaking as glowingly about him as Dexter, but it's definitely nothing like KS.

On top of that, KS was going to be fine if he stayed out of trouble after he came back. He obviously didn't.

From folks that were at practice, he's getting the Stepherson treatment. He actually lined up more at scout team DB in skeleton drills than he did take reps at WR (literally the same thing they did to Stepherson). I believe it was noted he might've had 5 reps, all day, at WR.

 

[greyhammer90]

I think its funny that everyone is arguing over whether or not this is a "Stepherson situation" or a "Dexter situation", since they basically resulted in the same thing for both players the next season. Stepherson sat 4 games, then came back and led the WRs in touchdowns. Dexter sat out 4 games, then came back and balled out.

Austin just needs to actually keep his head on straight the next two years and this can have a happy ending. If he doesn't, it won't.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Tim and tim reported Kevin played DB for the skeleton D... Not sure if it's normal for ND to grab deep depth chart guys for skeleton, or this is something more telling.

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[IrishLax]

Kyren may be a round little fella but I think some of the recruiting services even had him rated as a WR at one point. Had over 2000 yards receiving in HS. Got 3 legit receiving threats coming out of the backfield when you factor in Jafar and to a lesser extent Tony.

FWIW, his receiving highlights are spectacular. I think he will be an exceptional pass catcher out of the backfield despite not really looking the part.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

From folks that were at practice, he's getting the Stepherson treatment. He actually lined up more at scout team DB in skeleton drills than he did take reps at WR (literally the same thing they did to Stepherson). I believe it was noted he might've had 5 reps, all day, at WR.

Dex was the perceived starter before the suspension was announced so even though they knew he wouldn't be available early on, he still got more reps than guys who probably wouldn't play much all year.

Stepherson wasn't a for sure starter and I think they had enough other receivers who would play that giving their reps to a suspended player was not feasible. I think that could be the situation with Austin and doesn't necessarily mean he's going to go down the same path that Stepherson did. At least I hope not. He's extremely talented and could be a real playmaker for this offense. Just like Stepherson could have.

 

[stlnd01]

I think its funny that everyone is arguing over whether or not this is a "Stepherson situation" or a "Dexter situation", since they basically resulted in the same thing for both players the next season. Stepherson sat 4 games, then came back and led the WRs in touchdowns. Dexter sat out 4 games, then came back and balled out.

Austin just needs to actually keep his head on straight the next two years and this can have a happy ending. If he doesn't, it won't.

You think it’s funny that we’re busy arguing something about which we know very few details and are all basically guessing based on a few cryptic quotes and some snippets of pretend football?
That’s what we do for nine months a year around here.

 

[Luckylucci]

Dex was the perceived starter before the suspension was announced so even though they knew he wouldn't be available early on, he still got more reps than guys who probably wouldn't play much all year.

Stepherson wasn't a for sure starter and I think they had enough other receivers who would play that giving their reps to a suspended player was not feasible. I think that could be the situation with Austin and doesn't necessarily mean he's going to go down the same path that Stepherson did. At least I hope not. He's extremely talented and could be a real playmaker for this offense. Just like Stepherson could have.

I wasn't making any judgements on his character or how it will inevitably play out. I just stated that the staffs approach to this, how they treated him to start camp, is more in-line (very similar in fact) with what they did with Stepherson.

While Greyhammer made a very good point in that the result was the same. I do think there is importance in how it's handled during camp. We'll see how long this lasts for.

 

[ulukinatme]

IE is slippin'. We don't yet have a full page of detailed analysis breaking down the first videos???

 

[koonja]

IE is slippin'. We don't yet have a full page of detailed analysis breaking down the first videos???

Hard to breakdown practice film and workouts when they're not shirtless, IMO.