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I don't know about the rest of you, but the last few years of El Clasico just haven't done it for me.

In the latest edition of the Clasico, the goals were beautiful but honestly, neither team was at all interested in defending, which cheapens the goals. El Clasico is an exciting spectacle but I'm not sure it's great soccer.

Like I was sayin...

IF they can somehow manage a miracle run at a league title (just playing along for a second), it won't 'make it all better'. That base will just shift their aim at deep Euro runs as a base expectation and if Celtic can't do that currently in Scotland there is no freakin way Rangers can... there is no avenue to appeasement for Gerrard that I can see, none. I'd put it at about 50/50 that he is out or clearly heading that way this time next year.

Yeah, it's an impossible job. I heard on the radio recently that Rangers' revenue last year was less than 30M sterling; Celtic's was 70M. And yet Ragners fans still expect to win. It's not likely to happen with that sort of mismatch in resources.
 

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5-4 in Scotland is dreadful defending.

5-4 in Spain is beautiful, wide open, free flowing football.

5-4 in England is the best entertainment you'll find anywhere.
 

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I find it interesting that Pep Guardiola was named manager of the year in England when all City did was dump millions of dollars into a third place squad from the year before.

Meanwhile, Sean Dyche had Burnley in 7th place with a -3 GD, nine points behind 6th place Arsenal.
 

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I find it interesting that Pep Guardiola was named manager of the year in England when all City did was dump millions of dollars into a third place squad from the year before.

Meanwhile, Sean Dyche had Burnley in 7th place with a -3 GD, nine points behind 6th place Arsenal.

Agreed. Hell even the job Wagner did to keep Huddersfield in the Premier League deserves acknowledgement.
 

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I find it interesting that Pep Guardiola was named manager of the year in England when all City did was dump millions of dollars into a third place squad from the year before.

Meanwhile, Sean Dyche had Burnley in 7th place with a -3 GD, nine points behind 6th place Arsenal.

Man City set too many records for him to not get it.
 

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Yeah, obviously I'm biased, but even when I try to put bias aside if someone other than Pep won that award it would have been asinine. Dyche just won 5 games in 5 months. Saying all City did was dump money into the team just makes me think you know nothing about soccer, or never watched City this year.

This was literally the best team in premier league history, and the reason we were so dominant is because of the manager. If Mourinho had City's squad and Pep had United's squad, I think Pep still comes out on top.
 

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I thought Hodgson at Palace did a pretty good job. They had an absolutely abysmal start to the year, and then took a few matches to get their bearings once he took over, but they finished the last two months very strong. Went from the relegation zone to 11th in pretty short order.
 

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Also, FC Cincy got their Community Benefits Agreement finalized and signed with one of the Cincinnati community councils last night as part of their stadium deal, so their bid is finalized.

Just waiting for Papa Garber to come to town and throw a party, now.
 

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The Man City midfield was incredible this year. The work rate and passing efficiency was other worldly. One has to believe Pep is reason for that.
 

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Also, FC Cincy got their Community Benefits Agreement finalized and signed with one of the Cincinnati community councils last night as part of their stadium deal, so their bid is finalized.

Just waiting for Papa Garber to come to town and throw a party, now.

Nice!... I look forward to that first LAG/Cincy game...
 

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Saying all City did was dump money into the team just makes me think you know nothing about soccer, or never watched City this year.

I know nothing about soccer, you're right, so ignore the rest of this post.

Pep Guardiola: “People say you won the title because you invest a lot... they are right.”

It's brutal honesty I can appreciate. City fans don't like hearing this, but it's spot on. The same can be said of Chelsea in the previous decade.

Pochettino and Klopp could win the League with that City squad. Brendan Rodgers almost won the league at Liverpool a few years ago with a team nowhere near as good. That team is pretty hard to screw up and they rolled on to a runaway season domestically. They've proven they can win the domestic trophies in England. They now have a bigger mountain to climb, and their ownership is spending towards that.

I think Mourinho underachieved at United and wouldn't do as well at City. He's too damn pragmatic and he's not the same guy he was when he arrived the first time at Chelsea. His time at Real changed him. For whatever reason, I don't know, but he hasn't been the same mind since he was there. He would not let that City team out of the barn. He wouldn't let his Chelsea and United teams out, but when he did/has, they attack and play very well.

I don't think Guardiola is anything but a good manager, but to say no one else could have won with that squad is giving him far too much credit. I'd never say he's a bad manager, but the poured a lot of money into a third place squad and rolled significantly to a title, as they should have. They also have facilities/grounds that would make SEC football programs blush. There is no end in sight.

Good for them, though. I'd rather it be a team from Manchester than London. Nevertheless: City, Bayern, PSG, Barca, Real and Juve all have to be held to Champions League standards in my book. They're domestic giants and should be doing what they're doing with more money and talent than everyone else.
 
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This was literally the best team in premier league history, and the reason we were so dominant is because of the all the insane money that was spent on the team, and also maybe the manager.


... I mean,....
 
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I know nothing about soccer, you're right, so ignore the rest of this post.

Pochettino and Klopp could win the League with that City squad. Brendan Rodgers almost won the league at Liverpool a few years ago with a team nowhere near as good. That team is pretty hard to screw up and they rolled on to a runaway season domestically. They've proven they can win the domestic trophies in England. They now have a bigger mountain to climb, and their ownership is spending towards that.

I think Mourinho underachieved at United and wouldn't do as well at City. He's too damn pragmatic and he's not the same guy he was when he arrived the first time at Chelsea. His time at Real changed him. For whatever reason, I don't know, but he hasn't been the same mind since he was there. He would not let that City team out of the barn. He wouldn't let his Chelsea and United teams out, but when he did/has, they attack and play very well.

I don't think Guardiola is anything but a good manager, but to say no one else could have won with that squad is giving him far too much credit. I'd never say he's a bad manager, but the poured a lot of money into a third place squad and rolled significantly to a title, as they should have. They also have facilities/grounds that would make SEC football programs blush. There is no end in sight.

Good for them, though. I'd rather it be a team from Manchester than London. Nevertheless: City, Bayern, PSG, Barca, Real and Juve all have to be held to Champions League standards in my book. They're domestic giants and should be doing what they're doing with more money and talent than everyone else.

Juve merda!

They barely squeaked out the Scudetto this year. And I mean barely!!! Napoli shit the bed 2 weeks in a row after beating Juve in Torino. Also the ref handed Juve a win on a golden platter with the red card against Inter 3 weeks ago, and Inter almost won it but Juve fought back and won very late. So in the span of 3 weeks. Juve went from very much possibly losing the Campionato to being victorious. Hell of a season the Serie A was this year. Juve had some incredible games where they came back in the middle of the season and should have drew and dropped points. Gigi just announced his last game at Juve will be on Sunday. Many chips will be moving this summer. I think next year we see Juve fall off their throne.
 

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Juve merda!

They barely squeaked out the Scudetto this year. And I mean barely!!! Napoli shit the bed 2 weeks in a row after beating Juve in Torino. Also the ref handed Juve a win on a golden platter with the red card against Inter 3 weeks ago, and Inter almost won it but Juve fought back and won very late. So in the span of 3 weeks. Juve went from very much possibly losing the Campionato to being victorious. Hell of a season the Serie A was this year. Juve had some incredible games where they came back in the middle of the season and should have drew and dropped points. Gigi just announced his last game at Juve will be on Sunday. Many chips will be moving this summer. I think next year we see Juve fall off their throne.

Hope so. I'd love to see Bayern fall off too.

I could find ten guys in my office and compete in Ligue 1. It's an utter joke.

No one else was going to win Premier League Manager of the Year, but the standard has clearly been set now. Anything less than domestic dominance probably can't be accepted unless they win a Champions League.
 

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Hope so. I'd love to see Bayern fall off too.

I could find ten guys in my office and compete in Ligue 1. It's an utter joke.

No one else was going to win Premier League Manager of the Year, but the standard has clearly been set now. Anything less than domestic dominance probably can't be accepted unless they win a Champions League.

I feel like the buzz in the news and how the season plays out is going to dictate who wins these awards. I personally don't care about them.
 

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I know nothing about soccer, you're right, so ignore the rest of this post.

Pep Guardiola: “People say you won the title because you invest a lot... they are right.”

It's brutal honesty I can appreciate. City fans don't like hearing this, but it's spot on. The same can be said of Chelsea in the previous decade.

Pochettino and Klopp could win the League with that City squad. Brendan Rodgers almost won the league at Liverpool a few years ago with a team nowhere near as good. That team is pretty hard to screw up and they rolled on to a runaway season domestically. They've proven they can win the domestic trophies in England. They now have a bigger mountain to climb, and their ownership is spending towards that.

I think Mourinho underachieved at United and wouldn't do as well at City. He's too damn pragmatic and he's not the same guy he was when he arrived the first time at Chelsea. His time at Real changed him. For whatever reason, I don't know, but he hasn't been the same mind since he was there. He would not let that City team out of the barn. He wouldn't let his Chelsea and United teams out, but when he did/has, they attack and play very well.

I don't think Guardiola is anything but a good manager, but to say no one else could have won with that squad is giving him far too much credit. I'd never say he's a bad manager, but the poured a lot of money into a third place squad and rolled significantly to a title, as they should have. They also have facilities/grounds that would make SEC football programs blush. There is no end in sight.

Good for them, though. I'd rather it be a team from Manchester than London. Nevertheless: City, Bayern, PSG, Barca, Real and Juve all have to be held to Champions League standards in my book. They're domestic giants and should be doing what they're doing with more money and talent than everyone else.

Your point would make sense if City was the only team spending money. Yes, you have to spend money to be towards the top. Once you're towards the top, it gets more complicated than just dollar signs. I'm not saying no one could have won with City's squad, I'm saying put Pep at any of the other top six clubs, and I think they're finishing with 15 more points than they did without him. Maybe he wouldn't win the league with Arsenal's current squad, but they would be playing CL next year. I truly believe that.
 

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I know nothing about soccer, you're right, so ignore the rest of this post.

Pep Guardiola: “People say you won the title because you invest a lot... they are right.”

It's brutal honesty I can appreciate. City fans don't like hearing this, but it's spot on. The same can be said of Chelsea in the previous decade.

Pochettino and Klopp could win the League with that City squad. Brendan Rodgers almost won the league at Liverpool a few years ago with a team nowhere near as good. That team is pretty hard to screw up and they rolled on to a runaway season domestically. They've proven they can win the domestic trophies in England. They now have a bigger mountain to climb, and their ownership is spending towards that.

I think Mourinho underachieved at United and wouldn't do as well at City. He's too damn pragmatic and he's not the same guy he was when he arrived the first time at Chelsea. His time at Real changed him. For whatever reason, I don't know, but he hasn't been the same mind since he was there. He would not let that City team out of the barn. He wouldn't let his Chelsea and United teams out, but when he did/has, they attack and play very well.

I don't think Guardiola is anything but a good manager, but to say no one else could have won with that squad is giving him far too much credit. I'd never say he's a bad manager, but the poured a lot of money into a third place squad and rolled significantly to a title, as they should have. They also have facilities/grounds that would make SEC football programs blush. There is no end in sight.

Good for them, though. I'd rather it be a team from Manchester than London. Nevertheless: City, Bayern, PSG, Barca, Real and Juve all have to be held to Champions League standards in my book. They're domestic giants and should be doing what they're doing with more money and talent than everyone else.

Not sure I've heard anyone say he was the only one who could have won. The thing is, they didn't just win. They set 11 EPL records along the way. To say anyone else could have taken that team and made them the greatest EPL team ever (statistically), is giving Pep far too little credit.

As far as the award goes, not sure it matters. The NBA rarely give it to the guy with the most talent and best team. Not going to argue with you on that. Doubt Pep cares either.
 

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Not sure I've heard anyone say he was the only one who could have won. The thing is, they didn't just win. They set 11 EPL records along the way. To say anyone else could have taken that team and made them the greatest EPL team ever (statistically), is giving Pep far too little credit.

As far as the award goes, not sure it matters. The NBA rarely give it to the guy with the most talent and best team. Not going to argue with you on that. Doubt Pep cares either.

If Mourinho or Conte manage that City team, I highly doubt they do as well if those guys implement their tactics with that roster.

If you give Klopp or Pochettino that squad, they're probably going to break most of if not all of those records and certainly win the League.

This City team spent $140M on fullbacks this past summer. Then add in Ederson and LaPorte.

I don't think there is any way Liverpool, for example, finishes fourth without having bought Van Dijk in January.
 

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Your point would make sense if City was the only team spending money. Yes, you have to spend money to be towards the top. Once you're towards the top, it gets more complicated than just dollar signs. I'm not saying no one could have won with City's squad, I'm saying put Pep at any of the other top six clubs, and I think they're finishing with 15 more points than they did without him. Maybe he wouldn't win the league with Arsenal's current squad, but they would be playing CL next year. I truly believe that.

Who is spending money at City's level in England? Defensively alone they spent hundreds of millions this past summer.
 

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If Mourinho or Conte manage that City team, I highly doubt they do as well if those guys implement their tactics with that roster.

If you give Klopp or Pochettino that squad, they're probably going to break most of if not all of those records and certainly win the League.

This City team spent $140M on fullbacks this past summer. Then add in Ederson and LaPorte.

I don't think there is any way Liverpool, for example, finishes fourth without having bought Van Dijk in January.

Lets not be victims to short term memory loss. Conte arguably did more with far less last year with Chelsea.
 

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Who is spending money at City's level in England? Defensively alone they spent hundreds of millions this past summer.

Let's see what they do and who they sell this summer. I'd be willing to bet the other Manchester team will have net spent more on transfers than City over the last 3 years.

Overpaid for LaPorte and Mendy. Underpaid for Jesus and Sane.
 
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Who is spending money at City's level in England? Defensively alone they spent hundreds of millions this past summer.

United is essentially spending at our level. The rest are spending at a level that should put them less than 25 points behind us. We spent so much last summer in part because we had to replace so many players. I don't feel like figuring all the numbers out, but I suspect United's average spend per first team signings is more or less the same as ours (Pogba, Lukaku and even Di Maria were more than Laporte, who is our record signing). Like nd23 said above me, this summer should see them spend significantly more than us.
 
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United is essentially spending at our level. The rest are spending at a level that should put them less than 25 points behind us. We spent so much last summer in part because we had to replace so many players. I don't feel like figuring all the numbers out, but I suspect United's average spend per first team signings is more or less the same as ours (Pogba, Lukaku and even Di Maria were more than Laporte, who is our record signing). Like nd23 said above me, this summer should see them spend significantly more than us.

Yeah United blows a lot of cash. I'd say for their first 11, probably very similar. City has built a ton of depth though, and spent a lot of money to do so.
 

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Btw, i think Klopp is better than Pep. Klopp is such a beast he made Bayern a force that won 6 straight bundesliga titles because they were tired of losing to him.

Tough to know how good Pep really is. He's only managed at clubs with tons of yuuuuuge built in advantages. Barcelona (history, money, golden generation+messi), Bayern (German giants... his reign there was a failure though), and City (more money than God).
 
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I'd be surprised if City nets out more than spending over 100MM this summer. Jorginho. Probably a forward. Maybe a backup LB. Maybe a backup CB.

Patrick Roberts to be recalled from loan maybe or they could sell him for a decent price?
 

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Roberts is def heading back... thought that was official, I mean, it's official on our end. The talk is Patty and Tierney saying goodbye and once last shot at a double treble for the duo... they are like mega-super best friends or some such... no joking.
 

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Roberts is def heading back... thought that was official, I mean, it's official on our end. The talk is Patty and Tierney saying goodbye and once last shot at a double treble for the duo... they are like mega-super best friends or some such... no joking.

Yeah he's def not going back to Celtic. Shoulda reworded but I don't know if they will loan him again. Wouldn't mind seeing him loaned somewhere in the prem especially a Fulham side if they can win their next match. Saw Leicester and West Ham are lining up bids for a full transfer though.
 
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