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I haven't had a chance to catch any of it. But that's fucked up.

There are so many fucked up things that happened. OJ's attorney in closing arguments compared a racist cop to Adolf Hitler. Not joking. One of the white attorney's on OJ's team said after the trial that he would never speak to an attorney again because they played the race card so heavily.

The documentary is basically about how OJ was never someone who wanted to be viewed as black. Then he killed Brown and Goldman and all of a sudden he was a civil rights cause. It's extremely fascinating and sickening that he got away with murder.

Darden was such an idiot. Unbelievable he let his ego get in the way of winning a conviction in the biggest trial in his life. It literally made the career of everyone on OJ's team, and led to use having to endure the Kardashians.

SMH.

That's not really accurate. That legal team was already extremely successful. Lee Bailey, Bob Shapiro, Johnny Cochrane, etc. were some of the country's most famous lawyers.

You might be right about the Kardashian thing but they barely touched on that and Kardashian didn't actually seem to be very involved in the case compared to the other guys.
 

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O.J., Mistakes

O.J., Mistakes

Vincent Bugliosi, the former L.A. prosecutor, who won over a hundred cases including Charlie Manson, was "outraged" at the way the trial was prosecuted, the defense, the media, and the verdict. He would have done it much differently, I gather.

The huge mistakes, as I see them:

- Moving the trial to downtown L.A. changed the jury pool and the judge. The civil trial was in Santa Monica.
- A nine month trial? Really? Make it shorter. Let the defense drag it out.
- Jury selection. Not knowing the backgrounds of many of these? Clark felt female blacks would identify with her?
- Prosecution gets their case first. Paint Simpson as a "house nigger" (B's words) who had no relationship to any blacks from his past except one or two. Paint him as rubbing shoulders with the elite, avoiding anyone like them. Show him with two different personalities with the violent one taking over in rage. Is not religious. Let the defense counter those.
- Hammer blood, blood, blood evidence. Clark chose not to introduce Simpson's statement to police in which "he admits dripping blood all over his car and home and on his driveway around the time of the murders". Especially when the defense would have to impugn the blood evidence as tainted.
- Why carry a blood vial of Simpson's blood to his home?
- Clark chose to withhold some evidence because she felt the jury would not understand, including Simpson's "suicide" note; the passport, disguise, gun and thousands of dollars he took with him in the Bronco; photos of Simpson wearing gloves of the exact design and size as the gloves found on the scene, and so forth.
- Why put Fuhrman up there? Opened up race. Clark should have known his background. Let the defense call Fuhrman if they wanted to question the glove. Minimize race. Fuhrman was convicted of perjury.
- Don't put Darden on the team. Cochran actually advised Darden not to get involved in Fuhrman's testimony. "You have a life after this trial. You’re a black man. Don’t do it.".
- Ito was a wimp, bending over for the defense, worried about appeals. Allowed cameras. Sustained over 7,000 objections. Cameras made it a show trial.

Why didn't Nicole leave him much earlier? Why did she not press charges? Why didn't more of O.J.'s Brentwood friends testify against him like the ones who said they realized he'd killed Brown? Why wasn't Simpson cuffed and booked on any of those incidents?

A good program by ESPN. Kudos to the producer/director, Ezra Edelman. (ESPN has interviews with him)

For the O.J. Simpson articles by Nicole Brown (who was seen in the shows) for Vanity Fair, google:
The People v. O.J. Simpson Recap: Fact Check

F. Lee Bailey lost his license subsequently. When he was a defense attorney for a trial in Florida, he tried to hide (and keep) some of a drug dealer's money. He ended up keeping the difference between the amount of money he took ($6 million) and the amount of money at the time he surrendered the original amount ($16 million). Halfway through the trial, Shapiro stopped talking to Bailey.

Barry Scheck, their expert DNA lawyer, went on to found the Innocence Project, which has gotten many people out of prison for crimes they did not commit, and the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law.
 
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<blockquoteclass="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MY LAST SHOW ON ESPN. 10-11:30 E on ESPN2. SEE YOU THEN.</p>— Skip Bayless(@RealSkipBayless) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/745237667009433600">June 21, 2016</a></blockquote> <script asyncsrc="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This yahoo is finally off mainstream television.
 
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<blockquoteclass="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MY LAST SHOW ON ESPN. 10-11:30 E on ESPN2. SEE YOU THEN.</p>— Skip Bayless(@RealSkipBayless) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/745237667009433600">June 21, 2016</a></blockquote> <script asyncsrc="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This yahoo is finally off mainstream television.

IS this today? For years, this guy was the most talked about ESPN character for any morning show and drove the ratings as his 'partners' came and went. He's irked everyone in his years, and it's all part of the show. He plays it so well that you'd actually think he's serious about his takes. Hats off to him. I would like to see him in an actual analyst role, where he's not there to entertain. He's a smart dude.
 

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I enjoyed the first part. I had no idea he was disinterested in being defined as a black man.

I couldn't agree more... Parts 3/4 I knew... it has been beaten in our heads... but Episode 1 context, of not only the problems with LAPD and issues in the city but also OJ not giving a F about the movement really was interesting... Also loved Part 5... Guess I never paid much attention to OJ after the trial and before the las vegas incident... interesting
 

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I couldn't agree more... Parts 3/4 I knew... it has been beaten in our heads... but Episode 1 context, of not only the problems with LAPD and issues in the city but also OJ not giving a F about the movement really was interesting... Also loved Part 5... Guess I never paid much attention to OJ after the trial and before the las vegas incident... interesting

So you weren't aware that he kept looking for Nicole's murderer at every country club golf course after the trial?
 

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Darden was such an idiot. Unbelievable he let his ego get in the way of winning a conviction in the biggest trial in his life......

Darden was played by Johnny Cochran; Johnny had his head spinning about stuff in and out of court. Darden was obviously wrong with the 'trying on the gloves' incident, but he was laser-accurate correct in being vehemently against putting Fuhrman on the stand.

btw, FWIW I believed then, and still believe today that OJ is guilty, but I also believe that Fuhrman planted the glove at OJ's house; Vannatter walking around with OJ blood in a vial he took from Parker Center to the Rockingham house, what a complete dumbass, or someone planting evidence. Either way, Vannatter f*cked up big time. OJ was guilty, but the LAPD was shown to be incompetent at best, and criminal at worst.

In the first episode you see detective Lange making comments about Rodney King, about how not reffering to him as 'a motorist' but as a 'drug-addict criminal that was on hallucinogens', was a better description of King. This is troubling to me because it shows what they thought of him back then, and what they still think of him (king, rip) to this day. Lange sees the King beating as completely within the scope of LAPD police work. Even if Rodney King was everything that Lange says he was, he still didnt deserve getting hit over 42 times with police clubs while being tased repeatedly. But if you listen to Lange and his ilk, you would think they are just doing their job.

I think its the same attitude that the South Carolina cop had that shot that dude in the back while he was running away from him, then picked up the gun (or taser) and ran over to where the guys body was laying and dropped it there next to the body. I always wondered what that SC cop filed in his police report regarding the placement of that gun/taser, and why that case seems to have been forgotten about and fallen off the national radar.
 
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So you weren't aware that he kept looking for Nicole's murderer at every country club golf course after the trial?


325 yard drive straight down the middle. An easy wedge to the green with the hole placed center-front,mslightly uphill from every direction.
 

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There are so many fucked up things that happened. OJ's attorney in closing arguments compared a racist cop to Adolf Hitler. Not joking. One of the white attorney's on OJ's team said after the trial that he would never speak to an attorney again because they played the race card so heavily.

The documentary is basically about how OJ was never someone who wanted to be viewed as black. Then he killed Brown and Goldman and all of a sudden he was a civil rights cause. It's extremely fascinating and sickening that he got away with murder.



That's not really accurate. That legal team was already extremely successful. Lee Bailey, Bob Shapiro, Johnny Cochrane, etc. were some of the country's most famous lawyers.

You might be right about the Kardashian thing but they barely touched on that and Kardashian didn't actually seem to be very involved in the case compared to the other guys.

But Darden wanted to make a name for himself, which he would have done if they had convicted OJ as easily as they should have. But he had to try and have his moment, and totally went against the entire plan, physics, logic, etc.

Just the physical evidence would have been enough.
 

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SportsCenter doing a serious topic about... video game addiction. And they're getting real passionate about it. This is sad.
 

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SportsCenter doing a serious topic about... video game addiction. And they're getting real passionate about it. This is sad.

I think ESPN needs to stick with what they know, like stories involving Tebow and Manziel, and perpetuating the SEC myth. I saw ESPN commenting on the racial tensions the other day...a full segment about it, nothing to do with sports. It's an important topic, but not something a "sports entertainment" company should be covering imo. Sadly I couldn't even change the channel, I was at Penn Station at the time when the segment aired.
 

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SportsCenter doing a serious topic about... video game addiction. And they're getting real passionate about it. This is sad.

Says the company who now has a dedicated esports section on its website. Buncha damn hypocrites.
 

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They must be desperate for ratings over there at FS1. Jason Whitlock says Michael Phelps isn't the greatest Olympian ever because black people don't swim.

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They must be desperate for ratings over there at FS1. Jason Whitlock says Michael Phelps isn't the greatest Olympian ever because black people don't swim.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8zCrX9BYR0o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Isn't this what all the talking head shows do? I mean, Skip made millions doing this on First Take
 

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Isn't this what all the talking head shows do? I mean, Skip made millions doing this on First Take
Sure, I just saw this one flying around Twitter and it struck me as a particularly egregious #HotTake.
 

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I hate ESPN as much as the next guy, but it's tough to believe the Olympic coverage wouldn't be much better if they were the one's with the rights. I guarantee you they would actually have replays of the events available to watch online.
 

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They must be desperate for ratings over there at FS1. Jason Whitlock says Michael Phelps isn't the greatest Olympian ever because black people don't swim.

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What an idiotic statement (not the first for Whitlock). If black's don't compete in swimming, how could they be considered better? I also see a lot of blacks competing in other Olympics sports and not winning as many medals as Phelps.
 

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RIP John Saunders.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sickened and saddened to hear of loss of our colleague and friend, John Saunders. What a nice man. What a great man. <a href="https://t.co/giwC23nSdM">pic.twitter.com/giwC23nSdM</a></p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/763390024813518848">August 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
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He was easily one of the very best. Very sad sounds like it was unexpected
 
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