Depth chart for 2013

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I feel like I have a good grasp on most positions except for our offensive line, I feel like we had a lot of guys leave, am I wrong? Are we going to be better on the o-line even with Eifet gone to secure the edge?
 

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I'd be content with a repeat of last year. We weren't half shabby record wise.

But for real, It's gotta be Kiel. You have to build for the future. Kiel needs those reps, and I think he'll earn them this off season.

I've got a feeling Tommy is still going to be in the mix of things, even if we don't want to accept it. I'm not sure if Kelly thinks/cares about Gunner transferring if he's not as ready as Tommy is, Kelly will put who's the best fit, I hope it's Kiel, but you can't count out what Tommy has done off the bench, Kiel is really going to have to impress in the spring to de-thrown Tommy at #2.
 

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I feel like I have a good grasp on most positions except for our offensive line, I feel like we had a lot of guys leave, am I wrong? Are we going to be better on the o-line even with Eifet gone to secure the edge?

On O line? We only lose Cave and Golic. Cave will be tough to replace but I don't think we will have any problem replacing Golic. I'm guessing Hegarty and Nick Martin will start.
 

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I've got a feeling Tommy is still going to be in the mix of things, even if we don't want to accept it.

Kelly did everything in his power not to start Rees in 2012, despite Golson's growing pains. I don't see that trend reversing in 2013, particularly with more seasoning for Golson and Kiel.

I'm not sure if Kelly thinks/cares about Gunner transferring if he's not as ready as Tommy is, Kelly will put who's the best fit, I hope it's Kiel, but you can't count out what Tommy has done off the bench, Kiel is really going to have to impress in the spring to de-thrown Tommy at #2.

Disagree. Kiel is one of the most highly rated recruits Kelly has ever brought in. The staff is invested in him, and as such, they have a huge incentive to give him a shot (look at all the special treatment Lynch received before he transferred). I expect they'll be actively trying to get him as many snaps as possible this season; he allegedly plans on transferring if he doesn't see significant reps this season.
 
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Kelly did everything in his power not to start Rees in 2012, despite Golson's growing pains. I don't see that trend reversing in 2013, particularly with more seasoning for Golson and Kiel.



Disagree. Kiel is one of the most highly rated recruits Kelly has ever brought in. The staff is invested in him, and as such, they have a huge incentive to give him a shot (look at all the special treatment Lynch received before he transferred). I expect they'll be actively trying to get him as many snaps as possible this season; he allegedly plans on transferring if he doesn't see significant reps this season.

I may be alone in this, but I was never a Kiel fan, especially through the recruiting process. I like what Golson brings with mobility but needs improvement in decision making for sure. I like the idea of a QB that can just stand in the pocket and make passes and whoever can do that will be fine with me. Based on what I have read and heard from about Malik, he thinks he has as good a shot as anyone of the five QBs from interviews.
 
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I think we need to create some depth at DOG. I have a hard time seeing Okwara as anything but a CAT or a DE. The logical move seems to be to bring over a safety. I think Baratti or Prosise, plus Turner. Baratti seems bigger, Prosise more expendable. That leaves Farley, Shumate, Collinsworth, Hardy, (Posise or Barratti), Badger, Max Redfield, and possibly Slaughter. That's plenty already.



I agree; I was thinking more of a passing, running down split than a starter/back-up situation.

I agree on both. I forgot about Collinsworth and Hardy. I think Shumate is the next Jeff Burris though so Kelly needs to go ahead and put him on the field.....:)
 
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On O line? We only lose Cave and Golic. Cave will be tough to replace but I don't think we will have any problem replacing Golic. I'm guessing Hegarty and Nick Martin will start.

With the rumors of moving Chris Watt to C, it may not be AS difficult if Watt wasn't around.
 

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Coach didn't sound like he was considering shifting Watt at all during one presscon. He said specifically that we have three guys that we'll look at during the spring for center: Nick Martin, Matt Hegarty, and Mark Harrell.

I've said elsewhere that the big domino in this is Hegarty. If he's healthy he has been groomed all last year to replace Cave. Kelly seemed happy with the progress. In this scenario, the right side would probably be NMart at guard and Lombard at tackle. Hiestand probably likes this since it creates the minimum change from last year [three starters in place, and two back-ups for the exact positions moving up.] Notice that this scenario leaves Ronnie Stanley on the bench --- perhaps an unlikely thought if he is in fact fully healed and strong.

If Matt can't go then all He!l might break loose. Of course if Harrell's capable, he could just slide in. If Harrell is judged only back-up quality, then it seems NMart is destined for a center tryout. Hopefully he's up to the task. This then might put Stanley into the lineup, but at RT, with Lombard moving to guard. Hiestand would probably like the quality athletes he had out there, but would the five-man-function smooth out quickly?

If NMart had to start, and Matt never quite got it back, several flubs in early games might open the door for Hunter Biven to step in far earlier than planned. A wildcard in the full story would be the EE'd Steven Elmer, who would be waiting to see if Stanley could handle RT in this situation... and if not, here would come the Big Boy.
 

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Are GA3's hands as bad as the rumor has them? I mean, the guy is just too fast to not have on the field but to be honest his lateral speed/quickness needs to improve. His pad level is way too high. I can see him in situational outside running, jet sweeps, reverses etc. But I just don't see him running off tackle and being truly effective.

Kelly often ran Atkinson III between the tackles last year. He put him farther back (7 yards) than the other backs in a single set back so that he could have more time to pick his hole and have the opportunity to use his elite speed to turn a 10 yard gain into a 70 yard gain.

I've said this before, but I'll say it again: He reminds me of a young Eric Dickerson who people criticized for running with a high pad level, and who also was set up deep behind the LOS so that he could have more time to pick his hole and accelerate through it. All Atkinson needs to do is get stronger. When he does, he's going to be a star.
 

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Kiel is one of the most highly rated recruits Kelly has ever brought in. The staff is invested in him, and as such, they have a huge incentive to give him a shot (look at all the special treatment Lynch received before he transferred). I expect they'll be actively trying to get him as many snaps as possible this season; he allegedly plans on transferring if he doesn't see significant reps this season.

I'll go one further and say I'll be surprised if Kiel doesn't get a shot to win the job. For all of Golson's strengths improvising, he misses a lot of opportunities downfield in basic drop back situations. If Kiel consistently makes use of those opportunities and consistently makes plays, he's got a chance to win the job imo. All bets are off though if the OL cannot form a consistent pocket and give the QB time. Then, Golson's ability to make something out of nothing trumps everything.
 

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Really believe the Irish defense will be as good or better than '12 Defense.

I don't think anybody knows how we'll fare without Manti and how much of an impact he made on turning a good defense into a great one. The staff is high on Grace. Let's hope he fits the bill.
 

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IM8, GITF and myself got to discussing the complete 2013 depth chart, and after much back and forth, the following is what we came up with.

Offense:
QB:
(1) Golson - Sophomore (RS) - #5
(2) Kiel - Freshman (RS) - #1
(3) Tommy Rees - Senior - #11
(4) Andrew Hendrix - Junior (RS) - #12
(5) Malik Zaire - Freshman - #8

TE:
(1) Niklas - Junior - #58
(2) Koyack - Junior - #18
(3) Welch - Junior (RS) - #82
(4) Heuerman - Freshman - #?
(5) Smythe - Freshman - #?

RB:
(1a) G. Atkinson - Junior - #4
(1b) Carlisle - Sophomore (RS) - #3
(3) Bryant - Freshman - #6
(4) McDaniel - Junior - #33
(5) Folston - Freshman - #?
(6) Mahone - Freshman (RS) - #32

Z WR:
(1) Neal - Sophomore - #19
(2) McDaniel - Junior - #33
(3) Folston - Freshman - #?
(4) Hunter, Jr. - Freshman - #?

X WR:
(1) Jones - Senior - #7
(2) Brown - Sophomore - #2
(3) Onwualu - Freshman - #17
(4) Fuller - Freshman - #?

W WR:
(1) Daniels - Sophomore (RS) - #16
(2) Smith - Senior - 87
(3) Ferguson - Sophomore - #82
(4) Robinson - Freshman - #88
(5) Massa - Junior (RS) - #14

LT:
(1) Z. Martin - Graduate Student - #70
(2) Stanley - Freshman (RS) - #78
(3) McGlinchey - Freshman - #?

LG:
(1) Watt - Graduate Student - #66
(2) Hanratty - Sophomore (RS) - #65
(3) Montelus - Freshman - #?
(4) McGovern - Freshman - #?

C:
(1) Hegarty - Sophomore (RS) - #77
(2) Harrell - Freshman (RS) - #75
(3) Bivin - Freshman - #?

RG:
(1) N. Martin - Sophomore (RS) - #72
(2) Hanratty - Sophomore (RS) - #65
(3) Heggie - Junior (RS) - #51
(4) Bivin - Freshman - #?

RT:
(1) Lombard - Junior (RS) - #74
(2) Stanley - Freshman (RS) - #78
(3) N. Martin - Sophomore (RS) - #72
(4) Elmer - Freshman - #79

Defense:
LDE:
(1) Day - Sophomore - #91
(2) Vanderdoes - Freshman - #3
(3) Hounshell - Sophomore (RS) - #50
(4)Tony Springmann - Sophomore (RS) #69
(5) Matuska - Freshman - #?

NT:
(1) Nix - Junior (RS) - #1
(2) Vanderdoes - Freshman - #3
(3) Springmann - Sophomore (RS) - #69
(4) Schwenke - Senior - #96

RDE:
(1) Tuitt - Junior - #7
(2) Jones - Freshman (RS) - #94
(3) Rochell - Freshman - #?

ROLB:
(1) Shembo - Senior - #55
(2) Williams - Junior - #11
(3) Rabasa - Sophmore (RS) - #56
(4) Utupo - Junior (RS) - #53

MILB:
(1) Grace - Sophomore (RS) - #59
(2) Moore - Junior (RS) - #8
(3) Randolph - Freshman - #?
(4) Deeb - Freshman - #?

WILB:
(1) Fox - Graduate Student - #48
(2) Calabrese - Graduate Student - #44
(3) Councell - Sophomore (RS) - #30
(4) Deeb - Freshman - #?

DOLB:
(1) Spond - Senior - #13
(2) J. Smith - Freshman - #9
(3) Okwara - Freshman (RS) - #45

BCB:
(1) Russell - Sophomore - #6
(2) Wood - Junior (RS) - #23
(3) J. Atkinson - Junior - #43
(4) Kinlaw - Freshman - #?

FCB:
(1) Jackson - Senior - #2
(2) Brown - Sophomore (RS) - #21
(3) Luke - Freshman - #?
(4) Butler - Freshman - #?

SS:
(1) Shumate - Sophomore - #22
(2) Collinsworth - Junior (RS) - #28
(3) Baratti - Sophomore - #29
(4) Badger - Freshman (RS) - #16

FS:
(1) Farley - Sophomore (RS) - #41
(2) Redfield - Freshman - #?
(3) Prosise - Freshman (RS) - #34
(4) Hardy - Sophomore (RS) - #4
(5) Turner - Freshman (RS) - #31

Specialists:
K:
(1) Brindza - Junior - #27
(2) Tausch - Graduate Student - #40

P:
(1) Brindza - Junior - #27

LS:
(1) Daly - Freshman (RS) - #61

KR:
(1a) G. Atkinson - Junior - #4
(1b) McDaniel - Junior - #33
(3) Folston - Freshman - #?
(4) Prosise - Freshman (RS) - #34

PR:
(1) Neal - Sophomore - #19
(2) McDaniel - Sophomre (RS) - #33
(3) Folston - Freshman - # ?
(4) Prosise - Freshman (RS) - #34

Thought this might generate some quality discussion on an otherwise slow news day.
 
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IM8, GITF and myself got to discussing the complete 2013 depth chart, and after much back and forth, the following is what we came up with.

Offense:


Defense:


Specialists:


Thought this might generate some quality discussion on an otherwise slow news day.

What about the transfer P?
 

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IM8, GITF and myself got to discussing the complete 2013 depth chart, and after much back and forth, the following is what we came up with.

Offense:


Defense:


Specialists:


Thought this might generate some quality discussion on an otherwise slow news day.



Fantastic analysis. I agree on almost all positions. This revealed to me that we still have considerable need to get a top level cb in the 14 class. We got solid depth but I could see wood getting a 5th and playing opposite Russell in 14 unless Luke is ready. Then wood would be needed for depth. Josh and Jalen hopefully have a big offseason. C'mon peppers!
 

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What about the transfer P?

Not on scholarship. We didn't list any walk-ons to keep things simple.

Joe Schmidt, for instance, would probably play at ILB before Deeb this season, but trying to slot in kids that aren't even on scholarship gets complicated.
 

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Just noticed we had Okwara as the 3rd DOG. I actually think Councell will be the #3 DOG and Okwara will move to CAT and be #3 there. So many uncertainties at this point though with position changes.
 
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Not on scholarship. We didn't list any walk-ons to keep things simple.

Joe Schmidt, for instance, would probably play at ILB before Deeb this season, but trying to slot in kids that aren't even on scholarship gets complicated.

I guess but shouldn't you list the ones that at the very least have a realistic chance at playing?
 
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I hope no walk-ons are in our two deep besides special teams lol

LOL. For some reason, I am defending this transfer P and his place alongside the 2013 Irish Envy Depth Chart..... and I don't even realize it.
 
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Let's assume for a minute that Jaylon Smith starts at the DOG position. Any chance Spond then moves to start in the middle, since we're short there?
 

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Just noticed we had Okwara as the 3rd DOG. I actually think Councell will be the #3 DOG and Okwara will move to CAT and be #3 there. So many uncertainties at this point though with position changes.

Not so fast, my friend. There doesn't seem to be anywhere else that Rabasa and Utupo have a realistic chance of contributing, and Okwara at least has experience at DOLB. His chances of seeing the field are equally bad as the #3 at both positions (though he may be the 3rd man on either side).

I guess but shouldn't you list the ones that at the very least have a realistic chance at playing?

We'll have 3 preferred walk-ons at K/P this season. How do we evaluate who has the most realistic chance of playing?

Let's assume for a minute that Jaylon Smith starts at the DOG position. Any chance Spond then moves to start in the middle, since we're short there?

I think Spond could do it, but I doubt it happens because it won't help us any. We'll have lots of talent and experience at ILB this season; it's 2014 where the position becomes a major liability. Spond will be gone by then, so moving him doesn't help build for the future (and it probably hurts, since he'd be taking reps away from the few guys we have that will be returning).
 
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Not so fast, my friend. There doesn't seem to be anywhere else that Rabasa and Utupo have a realistic chance of contributing, and Okwara at least has experience at DOLB. His chances of seeing the field are equally bad as the #3 at both positions (though he may be the 3rd man on either side).

True, I just think he fits CAT better than DOG but obviously that is debatable. We do have a glaring hole at WILB after this year though. Deeb probably fits the position best do we expect him to start there next year? Can Councell really play ILB? Maybe Kendall moves over to use his 5th year?
 
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Really hoping that Okwara can red shirt if he's burried at the #3.

Agreed I think it was such a waste to play him on special teams last year wasting his elgibility but maybe the staff knew he would play more last year than this upcoming year so they always thought about redshirtinf him in his second year.
 

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True, I just think he fits CAT better than DOG but obviously that is debatable. We do have a glaring hole at WILB after this year though. Deeb probably fits the position best do we expect him to start there next year? Can Councell really play ILB?

Okwara in the middle?

We have to hope one of them can, though neither comes close to fitting the physical profile. Councell, with his speed and ability in coverage, is probably the better bet, since he might be able to settle in at WILB.

One of them has to stay at DOLB since this is Spond's last season. Okwara and Jaylon may actually complement each other well; Okwara would give us more size and strength when necessary.
 

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I'm intrigued by Okwara as well. He was so young when he came that I'm sure he has done a decent amount of growing this last year. I suppose that will have a lot to do with where he ends up. If he grew a lot he might be a more natural fit at CAT. Although, I do remember the coaches saying they liked his speed and coverage abilities at DOG. I'm eager to see things begin to shake out this spring.
 
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