Dec 28 | Camping World Bowl | Iowa State

[ulukinatme]

You can do this with every team.

Iowa State is also 5 points from being 5-7.

I don't know what to tell you. If you can't see why Iowa State is dangerous this year, then you're more delusional than usual. I get what you're saying about fans going both ways between being worried about the ISU matchup and then others thinking a Michigan matchup today would be a win, but one of these points is certainly a legitimate concern based on team performance and statistics this year while the later is mostly speculation and regret after a one night poor performance in bad weather. Would we play better against scUM in a 2nd matchup on a dry neutral field? Probably, but it's hard to say we'd win.

 

[irishnd31]

I don't know what to tell you. If you can't see why Iowa State is dangerous this year, then you're more delusional than usual. I get what you're saying about fans going both ways between being worried about the ISU matchup and then others thinking a Michigan matchup today would be a win, but one of these points is certainly a legitimate concern based on team performance and statistics this year while the later is mostly speculation and regret after a one night poor performance in bad weather. Would we play better against scUM in a 2nd matchup on a dry neutral field? Probably, but it's hard to say we'd win.

Dude, Koon is right 100% of the time in his mind. Its adorable.

 

[koonja]

I don't know what to tell you. If you can't see why Iowa State is dangerous this year, then you're more delusional than usual. I get what you're saying about fans going both ways between being worried about the ISU matchup and then others thinking a Michigan matchup today would be a win, but one of these points is certainly a legitimate concern based on team performance and statistics this year while the later is mostly speculation and regret after a one night poor performance in bad weather. Would we play better against scUM in a 2nd matchup on a dry neutral field? Probably, but it's hard to say we'd win.

If we're afraid of a 7-5 Big 12 team (who to use your context is 5 points from 5-7), who has virtually no NFL talent, who WOULDN'T we be afraid of?

Don't even talk to me about Michigan, who wouldn't scare us?

 

[gkIrish]

I just think it’s crazy that the main reason we are playing this team is that Oregon lost to Arizona State / Utah lost to Oregon putting Oklahoma in the playoffs.

This allowed the Alamo Bowl to take Texas (and they did for obvious reasons). And then for no reason whatsoever, the Camping World Bowl took Iowa State over Oklahoma State or Kansas State.

It’s like the entire universe had to conspire to give ND the worst matchup they could’ve possibly gotten. I cannot remember the last time ND got a shot at an overrated, soft team in a bowl game.

I would argue you just described both LSU teams we played in recent bowls. Overrated because of their name but really weren't very good.

 

[ND88]

As so many have already said:

(1) Isn’t the best matchup for recruiting

(2) Iowa St. will be hungry, talented, and it gives them a shot at becoming more relevant.

(3) The national needle wont move on this ND squad with a blue & gold victory.

All that said. I stopped give a flying fug about people’s perceptions of Notre Dame a long time ago.

I like good competition. If Iowa State brings it, we have a chance to put a dent in the perception that we don’t prepare well for these type of games.

We need Purple Face Kelly to leave the cufflinks and briefcase at home, and push all the chips in, get these guys riled up, and shut up his critics about any possible successors dethroning him.

With all respect, it’s time to kick ass and make up for that disappearing act from earlier this season.

 

[Irish#1]

I think this is a really bad way of looking at things. In SP+ they’re 23rd and ND is 18th. ND isn’t magically a more talented team because they found a way to win a squeaker against Virginia Tech, and Iowa State isn’t magically a less talented game because they missed a 2 point conversion against Oklahoma.

So you have teams of comparable talent and one is going to be amped for the game. This is the best possible bowl Iowa State could’ve gotten. I was looking forward to potential matchups against a ranked Oklahoma State team or a Texas team with a brand. There is no upside in playing in this game or against this opponent, makes me wish ND still declined shit bowl invites.

Not Really.

"You are what your record says you are".

I don't disagree that this is a crappy matchup from a "not a brand or ranked" team, but the fact is they haven't found a way to win those games and ND found a way to win the game against VT. How does that happen?

Why does everyone assume ISU will be amped for this game and ND won't? Everybody gets amped to play the Irish, so this isn't something new. This team isn't going to sulk and pout. Why can't they be pissed about getting snubbed and play to prove a point?

 

[ulukinatme]

If we're afraid of a 7-5 Big 12 team (who to use your context is 5 points from 5-7), who has virtually no NFL talent, who WOULDN'T we be afraid of?

Don't even talk to me about Michigan, who wouldn't scare us?

You don't need NFL talent to win college football games. You need solid fundamentals, good playcalling/execution, and motivation. That's the recipe for most college football upsets by lesser known teams. Iowa State has those things this year. They didn't need recruiting stars to put Oklahoma and Baylor on the ropes. You say don't even talk about Michigan, but if you want context Iowa State's worst loss this year was by 10 points to a respectable K State team, while we gave up 31 to a 3 loss Michigan team that got their shit pushed in by Ohio State and Wisconsin. This is going to be a big deal for Iowa State, while our players could very well feel let down and come out flat. Not sure how you're missing this premise.

 

[Luckylucci]

If we're afraid of a 7-5 Big 12 team (who to use your context is 5 points from 5-7), who has virtually no NFL talent, who WOULDN'T we be afraid of?

Don't even talk to me about Michigan, who wouldn't scare us?

When you say we, are you speaking for yourself? The fanbase? Or the team?

I doubt the team is scared of ISU. I doubt the team thinks they'd get smoked by UM if they played again. I realize some might have a weak constitution for competition but I don't think the team does. So we may want to clarify the context when the word 'we' is used.

Gauging the general temperature of the fanbase to discern how the team will be prepared is a laughable at best way to look at potential outcomes of the actual game.

 

[koonja]

When you say we, are you speaking for yourself? The fanbase? Or the team?

I doubt the team is scared of ISU. I doubt the team thinks they'd get smoked by UM if they played again. I realize some might have a weak constitution for competition but I don't think the team does. So we may want to clarify the context when the word 'we' is used.

Gauging the general temperature of the fanbase to discern how the team will be prepared is a laughable at best way to look at potential outcomes of the actual game.

I'm not at all talking about the team. Players/Teams are by nature confident. I'm certain ND thinks they'll win and I'm certain ISU thinks they'll win. That's just what prime athletes are wired to believe.

I'm talking about people on here who are concerned about this matchup.

 

[ACamp1900]

I always feel awkward when I come into a game preview thread to post, "Cyclones by fifty" only to find the tone of many is actually, "Cyclones by fifty".......

 

[Old Man Mike]

Someone asked about injuries. I of course have no inside information, but it's possible that both Kraemer and McKinley could be ready to play. My larger interest is in what I perceive as some of our guys occasionally limping around and coming off the field. Kareem is the most obvious, but there are others apparently needing some healing time too. I believe that we will be pretty strong for this game ... and I believe "interested." A fresh Kareem could be a game changer just by himself. ... he's already a game-changer banged up. Gilman, I think, needs some rest too. Also Finke, and I believe Banks. TJones?

 

[Luckylucci]

From BK's teleconference yesterday he said that MTA and Banks have been cleared. Also, it sounds like Jayson A will be ready though he didn't directly say that. Probably because it's expected after an ankle sprain. No mention of Kraemer. Kevin Austin is officially out, though there continues to be very positive things said about him by some in the ND media.

 

[BeauBenken]

I actually think this could be a statement game.

Sure it doesn't sound like a highlight match up to the inexperienced fan, but to those who realize what kind of quality coach Matt Campbell is and what kind of tough team he has built, if you can beat them by double digits, it means something.

I hope the team respects the hell out of this ISU team, but I hope they also feel slightly disrespected by being put in this bowl and being in their position. They should want to make a statement.

 

[Luckylucci]

I actually think this could be a statement game.

Sure it doesn't sound like a highlight match up to the inexperienced fan, but to those who realize what kind of quality coach Matt Campbell is and what kind of tough team he has built, if you can beat them by double digits, it means something.

I hope the team respects the hell out of this ISU team, but I hope they also feel slightly disrespected by being put in this bowl and being in their position. They should want to make a statement.

This.

 

[Irish#1]

Someone asked about injuries. I of course have no inside information, but it's possible that both Kraemer and McKinley could be ready to play. My larger interest is in what I perceive as some of our guys occasionally limping around and coming off the field. Kareem is the most obvious, but there are others apparently needing some healing time too. I believe that we will be pretty strong for this game ... and I believe "interested." A fresh Kareem could be a game changer just by himself. ... he's already a game-changer banged up. Gilman, I think, needs some rest too. Also Finke, and I believe Banks. TJones?

But OMM, ISU will have had time to get healthy.

I actually think this could be a statement game.

Sure it doesn't sound like a highlight match up to the inexperienced fan, but to those who realize what kind of quality coach Matt Campbell is and what kind of tough team he has built, if you can beat them by double digits, it means something.

I hope the team respects the hell out of this ISU team, but I hope they also feel slightly disrespected by being put in this bowl and being in their position. They should want to make a statement.

This.

I'm glad not everyone is scared of ISU.

 

[stlnd01]

Not Really.

"You are what your record says you are".

I don't disagree that this is a crappy matchup from a "not a brand or ranked" team, but the fact is they haven't found a way to win those games and ND found a way to win the game against VT. How does that happen?

Why does everyone assume ISU will be amped for this game and ND won't? Everybody gets amped to play the Irish, so this isn't something new. This team isn't going to sulk and pout. Why can't they be pissed about getting snubbed and play to prove a point?

This.

This notion that our guys will sulk and pout and not show up ignores what we watched the entire last third of the season. The chance to play for “something meaningful” (by Notre Dame standards) ended with the Michigan game. Since then they’ve managed a tough win against Va. Tech (a game a lot of past ND teams lose), and then blew the doors off their last four opponents.

I think of this team we’re going to quit and sulk they’d have done so already. So I’m not particularly worried about their mental makeup. Injuries and the fact that Iowa State is a well-coached team that doesn’t suck, I might worry about. But I don’t think our guys will just collect their bowl swag (camping chairs?) and just mail it in.

 

[NDdomer2]

local radio said ND hasnt had back to back 11 win seasons since 88/89.

Seems like that would be something for these guys to play for.

 

[Irish#1]

local radio said ND hasnt had back to back 11 win seasons since 88/89.

Seems like that would be something for these guys to play for.

+1

 

[Irish#1]

This.

This notion that our guys will sulk and pout and not show up ignores what we watched the entire last third of the season. The chance to play for “something meaningful” (by Notre Dame standards) ended with the Michigan game. Since then they’ve managed a tough win against Va. Tech (a game a lot of last ND teams lose), and then blew the doors off their last four opponents.

I think of this team we’re going to quit and sulk they’d have done so already. So I’m not particularly worried about their mental makeup. Injuries and the fact that Iowa State is a well-coached team that doesn’t suck, I might worry about. But I don’t think our guys will just collect their bowl swag (camping chairs?) and just mail it in.

 

[condoms SUCk]

I'm looking at this from view point- 2019 is over, the 2020 season has started.
Use these 15 practices to work on player/team development, get healthy and start the march to the 2020 playoffs.

 

[ND88]

This is Kelly’s game. It’s a prime opportunity for him to make a statement about his position as coach here given the whispers about up and comers potentially taking his job.

 

[beryirish]

ISU 3,000 tickets of 8,000 allotment sold already. They say ISU travels well but ND does too and they better for this game.

 

[Cali_domer]

ISU 3,000 tickets of 8,000 allotment sold already. They say ISU travels well but ND does as well and they better for this game.

It will mostly be ISU fans I bet. Most ND fans it seems are totally indifferent to this match-up.

 

[Greenore]

I see an opportunity for The Irish to make a huge statement against the rankings system and the Bowl Selection Committees with a dominant win over the Cyclones. They will be ready for ISU and have a great opportunity to expose some of the perceived or real bias.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[stpeteirish]

Big question I have is how good is the Big12? Yeah Iowa St almost beat Oklahoma and Baylor and they are both top 10 teams. But look at the non conference schedules for these teams, is there a quality non conference win anywhere? Baylor, for instance played UT San Antonio, Stefan F Austin and Rice in the non conference. OU beat Houston, UCLA and South Dakota.

And Iowa St beat Northern Iowa (in triple OT) and UL Monroe while losing a close one to Iowa.

There's just nothing to prove, or disprove, that the conference is meh.

 

[irishtrooper]

Big question I have is how good is the Big12? Yeah Iowa St almost beat Oklahoma and Baylor and they are both top 10 teams. But look at the non conference schedules for these teams, is there a quality non conference win anywhere? Baylor, for instance played UT San Antonio, Stefan F Austin and Rice in the non conference. OU beat Houston, UCLA and South Dakota.

And Iowa St beat Northern Iowa (in triple OT) and UL Monroe while losing a close one to Iowa.

There's just nothing to prove, or disprove, that the conference is meh.

I agree. I believe the LSU/OU will inform our opinion on the conference since they refused to schedule well out of conference.

A big concern of mine is this seemingly ever-increasing occurrence of big time teams refusing to challenge themselves out of conference. I give a ton of respect to GA for doing a home/away deal with ND (not to mention OSU upcoming). The schedule out of conference played by Bama, OU, and many others is disgusting, shameful and ridiculous. I will add that I don’t blame Bama though as they can literally beat ZERO good teams (ranked or otherwise) all season and still feel robbed by the committee. They (and others) are learning how to game the system and it does not bode well for ND’s future playoff prospects (short of expansion)

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Take out the brand names.

We have a 10-2 team. Vs. a 7-5 team


Do you give the 10-2 team ANY credit for winning that game? And why is that kind of game even allowed to happen? Has that wide a win difference in a bowl happened any time recently?

 

[ND88]

Take out the brand names.

We have a 10-2 team. Vs. a 7-5 team


Do you give the 10-2 team ANY credit for winning that game? And why is that kind of game even allowed to happen? Has that wide a win difference in a bowl happened any time recently?

Granted, I agree with you that this isn’t a team would should fear as a 10-2 team. But with this particular squad and this coach and that blowout loss in Ann Arbor and the committee punishing us for that failure, yes. End the season strong. That will count for something positive. Will it not?

 

[gfviperman]

Past time to dump the ACC tie - in ...

 

[drayer54]

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