COVID-19

[ab2cmiller]

This is a question to the medical people on board as well as anyone else who has facts not opinions regarding false negative results of the Covid test. I have been laid up for almost 2 weeks and have pretty much every symptom. I have been tested twice and both came out negative. Yet I’ve also tested negative for pneumonia, the flu and everything else the doctors thought it could be. What is the chance that I had two false negative tests and I should get tested again? I am back at the doctor again tomorrow to try and figure out what is going on. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks.

Not a health professional

Did the same person perform both of your Covid tests?

Did you get tested for the flu twice?

 

[dad4aa]

Clinic first test and ER second test. Flu tests both places as well and both negative.

 

[PerthDomer]

There are nasty viruses that are neither the flu nor covid. Adenovirus was the worst viral infection I've ever experienced.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

There are nasty viruses that are neither the flu nor covid. Adenovirus was the worst viral infection I've ever experienced.

What are the odds that strains of the COVID-19 coronavirus would be outside the net of the current PCR tests?

As test manufacturing has been subdivided to many different labs, are they all using the same template and developing theoretically identical tests?

 

[PerthDomer]

Covid doesnt mutate as quickly as the flu and flu pcr picks up the flu really well. Also the NYC firefighter/EMS and police antibodies came back less pos. Than the general public number... one of those has to be wrong. That piece of news is not getting much press today.

 

[irishnd31]

Clinic first test and ER second test. Flu tests both places as well and both negative.

Get better soon buddy. Hoping the best for you.

 

[dad4aa]

Get better soon buddy. Hoping the best for you.

Appreciate it!!

 

[notredomer23]

Covid doesnt mutate as quickly as the flu and flu pcr picks up the flu really well. Also the NYC firefighter/EMS and police antibodies came back less pos. Than the general public number... one of those has to be wrong. That piece of news is not getting much press today.

17% and 10% still wayyyyy higher than the amount that have tested positive for the virus. Also makes sense that theirs would be lower than the general population since they definitely had the proper PPE from the get go

 

[PerthDomer]

Well A that's untrue. B they make up an inordinate portion of the dead and C they dont get work ppe to go to the supermarket etc. They should have higher covid rates than the public. If 15% of the public is positive that means NY's first wave was just an appetizer for what's to come.

 

[notredomer23]

Well A that's untrue. B they make up an inordinate portion of the dead and C they dont get work ppe to go to the supermarket etc. They should have higher covid rates than the public. If 15% of the public is positive that means NY's first wave was just an appetizer for what's to come.

How is that untrue? 17% and 10% would be much higher than the amount that have actually tested positive for the virus. It’s also true they’ve been wearing masks and PPE from the get go. Someone walking into a grocery store wasn’t mandated to by law until recently.

 

[PerthDomer]

The NYC antibody test that was done before came back w 20% of NYC residents having antibodies. No one thinks the PCR pos people are the only positives. The question is are we catching 1 in 10 sick people? One in five? That has major policy/medical implications.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Not sure how you can come to that conclusion. If your theory was correct, would not Sweden's current levels be even remotely close to the original models since they had one of the most lax national policies with regards to mitigation.

If you look at California, where I live, on March 19 NDCrusader posted the tweet from Gov Newson (most of us in Cali s'd ourselves when we read it because of the fear). This was the day he shut down the state. His tweet stated the models showed 25.6 million people in California would contract the virus with the fatalities ranging between the high 300k's to over 800k. That was for the state, not the world, not the country. Thank the Good Lord the models have not been nearly accurate. According to Worldometer, California sits today at just over 48k cases and 1800 deaths. Your claim is this is all due to shutting down everything (which by the way has not happened). Well, today we also have the facts that the first known case of death with Covid dates back to January. That would likely mean that individual likely contracted the virus a week before. So now the fact show that the virus was in the state for two whole months before the lock down. Those two months people went about their normal daily lives. What occurred during that time? The Superbowl which a California team participate meaning bars and parties, Valentine's Day (restaurants full), an elections (news showed lines at a lot of polling places, and we even squeezed in St. Patrick's Day. With all that going on we are still not nearing 1% of the original models forecasts.

Believe me I have taken the virus very seriously. You can see some of my posts back in mid-March. All I know, is thankfully the models were wrong and we can pretty much say mitigation or not they were never going to be right as well

Compared to their Nordic neighbours, Sweden doesn't look that hot. Their death rate per capita is 3 to 4X more than Denmark, Finland etc., who took similar actions as the rest of Europe and the US.

 

[Circa]

Clinic first test and ER second test. Flu tests both places as well and both negative.

Do yourself a favor and research everything before you accept a vaccine that are at minimum, 3 years away from understanding. This whole ordeal Is going to be exposed and you might have It. I wouldn't worry tho.

What we as an American free people need to understand Is Capitolism Isn't an answer with a virus and we all need to stop listeing to the mainstream. Call me crazy.... I'll live on.

I have furthermore made my 13-14 year old watch this video. They are also going to write a report on their findings after they get done. I told them I want the plus - minus of everything they can research based off of Judy's information.
I want 500 words explaining to me why or why not Dr Judy A Mikovits PHD Is right or wrong. I've told them with the best paper the best reward and a day off of homework/chores.




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[yankeehater]

Compared to their Nordic neighbours, Sweden doesn't look that hot. Their death rate per capita is 3 to 4X more than Denmark, Finland etc., who took similar actions as the rest of Europe and the US.

Funny you post that on the day the WHO expert says they are the model to follow moving forward. I think I would rather be in Sweden if wave two and three hit the world in the upcoming months and they are the only country with herd immunity.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/

 

[Ndaccountant]

Funny you post that on the day the WHO expert says they are the model to follow moving forward. I think I would rather be in Sweden if wave two and three hit the world in the upcoming months and they are the only country with herd immunity.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/

Maybe....maybe not. If/when the second wave hits, we may have infinitely better treatments and/or a vaccine. It's a roll of the dice either way, but Sweden was fine with allowing more death in the near term to protect the long term. The US and other protected the short term with the hopes that they can also save the long term with advancements. Which will be better in the end? We will see.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

COVID-19

Those 2 yahoos may face professional harm for the straight malpractice committed in their youtube video. https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-1...-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/

The fact this video is being condemned and getting taken down, unlike the slew of other hot take videos tells me there might be SOME truth to what those dudes said, but who knows, just my opinion.


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[Circa]

I'm really concerned about the hospital workers that have been fooled. This whole ordeal Is a disgusting political ploy.

 

[Ndaccountant]

The fact this video is being condemned and getting taken down, unlike the slew of other hot take videos tells me there might be SOME truth to what those dudes said, but who knows, just my opinion.


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They are figuratively using the "trust me I'm a doctor" tshirt to seemingly financially benefit. While there are many people who are guilty of twisting facts to promote their own financial interests, medicine is one of those fields that are normally above the fray.

 

[greyhammer90]

medicine is one of those fields that are normally above the fray.

 

[TorontoGold]

What are the medical guys thoughts on the remdesivir reports? I know everything is way too early, but is there legit optimism here?

 

[PerthDomer]

First drug that shows promise. Not enough to change the calculus on the big picture but hopefully another drug pans out in combo with it.

 

[SonofOahu]

This is a question to the medical people on board as well as anyone else who has facts not opinions regarding false negative results of the Covid test. I have been laid up for almost 2 weeks and have pretty much every symptom. I have been tested twice and both came out negative. Yet I’ve also tested negative for pneumonia, the flu and everything else the doctors thought it could be. What is the chance that I had two false negative tests and I should get tested again? I am back at the doctor again tomorrow to try and figure out what is going on. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/27/wahiawa-man-discharged-hospital-after-beating-covid-/

The gentleman in this story was tested 3x before they could confirm that he had COVID. Yes, it is very possible that you have COVID-19.

 

[SonofOahu]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...navirus-drug-trial-shows-quite-good-news.html

Remdesivir shows statistically significant results in RCT involving more than 1000 patients. This is very good news. Specifically reduces hospitalization from 15 days to 11 days which is statistically significant. Decreased mortality trend from 11% to 8% which is not yet statistically significant but may be with larger trial with higher power.

Sounds like this could be akin to Tamiflu for SARS-CoV-2?

 

[SonofOahu]

Compared to their Nordic neighbours, Sweden doesn't look that hot. Their death rate per capita is 3 to 4X more than Denmark, Finland etc., who took similar actions as the rest of Europe and the US.

To be fair, the ultimate judgement on Sweden's approach will probably not be determined for years. This is like grading the draft one day after the picks are in.

 

[SonofOahu]

What are the medical guys thoughts on the remdesivir reports? I know everything is way too early, but is there legit optimism here?

First drug that shows promise. Not enough to change the calculus on the big picture but hopefully another drug pans out in combo with it.

As a Gilead owner, I'm pretty happy. As a non-clinician in healthcare, I'll trust my pharmacy director's take on it. He's pretty optimistic that there's something there. Let's just hope that this administration doesn't screw it up by trying to push it before it's proven and ready, though.

If it's not cleared, the docs won't trust it. If they don't trust it, they won't prescribe it. If they don't prescribe it, it will only be used in Hail Mary situations. Those situations tend to have bad outcomes. Concurrent research will publish studies showing no effect or, worse, negative outcomes. Those studies will kill a potentially viable treatment. That's why you don't rush the research.

 

[Irish#1]

The fact this video is being condemned and getting taken down, unlike the slew of other hot take videos tells me there might be SOME truth to what those dudes said, but who knows, just my opinion.

ACEP doesn't agree.

he is concluding a fatality rate based on the total population—both symptomatic and healthy, which is a contradiction to how he calculated the fatality rate in California. Further there are a large number of patients who have yet to recover, and many of them whom remain on life support or are likely to die.

 

[Legacy]

The best example of COVID-19 and its spread in a closed system with a relatively high degree of homogeneous population that I can think of is its spread among the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Roosevelt. All sailors can be classified as "susceptible" according to the SIRS modeling. Reasonable assumptions are that the sailors fall into age categories that are mostly under forty and very few if any are over sixty as well as that the sailors are fit with few if any chronic conditions. Mitigation measures such as social distancing could not be fully instituted until the ship docked with sailors working in confined areas for much of the time.

In a month, 100% of the sailors have been tested.
- the ship was at sea for fifteen days following their port visit before two sailors tested positive.
- the Navy concluded that this was evidence of pre-symptomatic transmission
- As noted in yesterday's post from retrospective studies, the mean incubation time (IT) was 5.5 days and 97.5% of people show symptoms within 11.5 days
- By April 16th, 655 had tested positive.. Two days earlier, Defense Secretary Mark Esper told reporters that only about 213 of the crew members showed any symptoms.
- That means only about a third of the 585 crew members who'd tested positive at the time were symptomatic.
- positive results for coronavirus have climbed to 840 by April 26th when all sailors on the aircraft carrier had been tested.
- Negative results amount to 4,098,according to the Navy.
- The Navy reported 4,234 sailors moved ashore into housing on Naval Base Guam and into hotels in Tamuning and Tumon.
- Sailors who test positive remain on base, according to Joint Region Marianas and Gov. Lou Leon Guerrero.
- Additionally, if sailors show symptoms while in hotels they are taken back to the base.
- Dozens of sailors who initially tested negative later tested positive.
- Of the total cases, 88 sailors have recovered, up from the 63 reported as of April 26th.
- As of April 27th, there were four sailors at the U.S. Naval Hospital and none in the ICU.
- Since the ship pulled into Guam on March 27, one sailor from the crew, Aviation Ordnanceman Chief Petty Officer Charles Robert Thacker, died after testing positive for the virus.
- Only sailors who test negative and who are asymptomatic are quarantined in Guam's hotels.
- Navy leadership is temporarily halting post-quarantine testing and is extending sailors' isolation more than three weeks after crew members continued to test positive for the coronavirus after a two week isolation.

Mortality rates for this group is easily calculated and, once the first cases were diagnosed, interactions with non-Navy personnel was minimized preventing contagion from new sources.

Coronavirus may spread faster than WHO estimate

 

[Irishize]

“ WHO lauds lockdown-ignoring Sweden as a ‘model’ for countries going forward”



https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/

 

[RDU Irish]

The best example of COVID-19 and its spread in a closed system with a relatively high degree of homogeneous population that I can think of is its spread among the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Roosevelt. All sailors can be classified as "susceptible" according to the SIRS modeling. Reasonable assumptions are that the sailors fall into age categories that are mostly under forty and very few if any are over sixty as well as that the sailors are fit with few if any chronic conditions. Mitigation measures such as social distancing could not be fully instituted until the ship docked with sailors working in confined areas for much of the time.

In a month, 100% of the sailors have been tested.
- the ship was at sea for fifteen days following their port visit before two sailors tested positive.
- the Navy concluded that this was evidence of pre-symptomatic transmission
- As noted in yesterday's post from retrospective studies, the mean incubation time (IT) was 5.5 days and 97.5% of people show symptoms within 11.5 days
- By April 16th, 655 had tested positive.. Two days earlier, Defense Secretary Mark Esper told reporters that only about 213 of the crew members showed any symptoms.
- That means only about a third of the 585 crew members who'd tested positive at the time were symptomatic.
- positive results for coronavirus have climbed to 840 by April 26th when all sailors on the aircraft carrier had been tested.
- Negative results amount to 4,098,according to the Navy.
- The Navy reported 4,234 sailors moved ashore into housing on Naval Base Guam and into hotels in Tamuning and Tumon.
- Sailors who test positive remain on base, according to Joint Region Marianas and Gov. Lou Leon Guerrero.
- Additionally, if sailors show symptoms while in hotels they are taken back to the base.
- Dozens of sailors who initially tested negative later tested positive.
- Of the total cases, 88 sailors have recovered, up from the 63 reported as of April 26th.
- As of April 27th, there were four sailors at the U.S. Naval Hospital and none in the ICU.
- Since the ship pulled into Guam on March 27, one sailor from the crew, Aviation Ordnanceman Chief Petty Officer Charles Robert Thacker, died after testing positive for the virus.
- Only sailors who test negative and who are asymptomatic are quarantined in Guam's hotels.
- Navy leadership is temporarily halting post-quarantine testing and is extending sailors' isolation more than three weeks after crew members continued to test positive for the coronavirus after a two week isolation.

Mortality rates for this group is easily calculated and, once the first cases were diagnosed, interactions with non-Navy personnel was minimized preventing contagion from new sources.

Coronavirus may spread faster than WHO estimate

So four out of 5000 end up in the hospital? They probably have worse outcomes on normal shore leave. 80% don't contract the virus in close quarters with no "distancing" let alone PPE.

 

[yankeehater]

The HIV drug Leronlimab has shown great promise in treating moderate to severe Covid patients. Small sample, but no fatalities. Most patients were on oxygen or intubated at beginning of drug trial. Hearing about the drug out here in the West because that is where a good portion of tests are being conducted. Probably not getting the national exposure because it is not owned by a large company like Gilead or testing being conducted by Dr. Fauci like remdesivir.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cytodyn-reports-strong-results-eind-100010692.html