COVID-19

[Circa]

Lacrosse colleague of mine let me know that a teammate was saved by an experimental drug. Trying to find out which. He was in ICU and they didn't think he was going to make it. Per him: "if he had been in crowded NYC instead of NJ it probably would've been a different outcome."

Next few weeks could be rough.

I'm sorry LAX but this really Is the hyperbole that Is being thrown around right now.. It's absolutely crazy.
I Honestly can't believe you believe this.
This Is beyond our comprehension and when you are given medication under the care of hospice, you have the right to know what you were given..
Good Luck People!
We are being Indoctrinated again. 2001 to today.

Edit: I'm the only one saying this and thats scary.

 

[phork]

Who really thinks that NYC really needs 14-20,000 ventilator's? Is this really what we are believing? Girls wearing trash bags and Italians making ventilators out of scuba gear?

Uh, you know there is 40K confirmed cases in NY? And thats only confirmed. Ask Italy how those decisions are making out. Does the 84 year old nonna get the vent or the 65 year old papa get it? Those decisions are happening now.

 

[Circa]

Uh, you know there is 40K confirmed cases in NY? And thats only confirmed. Ask Italy how those decisions are making out. Does the 84 year old nonna get the vent or the 65 year old papa get it? Those decisions are happening now.

I'm all for helping everyone that needs help. Those that need help should be given everything under the sun to get healthy. I'm saying these numbers aren't adding up. The way politicians are saying these things almost seem surreal.
Dr. Fauche was one of the original dr's to get on tv in the 80's and claim it's Ok to give 'poison' (later found out) to aids patients. He's a political Dr.
What's really going on? I shouldn't be the only one that questions these things.
BTW, GOOGLE your best friend will not supply the information needed.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Anybody who ever said "One person can't change the world" never ate an undercooked bat.

 

[Circa]

Anybody who ever said "One person can't change the world" never ate an undercooked bat.

I got a golden coin from the 1900's with Lincoln's face on It too.... I'll sell for the right price

 

[Irish YJ]

Lacrosse colleague of mine let me know that a teammate was saved by an experimental drug. Trying to find out which. He was in ICU and they didn't think he was going to make it. Per him: "if he had been in crowded NYC instead of NJ it probably would've been a different outcome."

Next few weeks could be rough.

Keep us updated Lax. Really interested if it was the cocktail. And prayers for you friend. I've got a friend to I heard is not doing well at all, and they have asked for the cocktail.

Who really thinks that NYC really needs 14-20,000 ventilator's? Is this really what we are believing? Girls wearing trash bags and Italians making ventilators out of scuba gear?

Trump said they think the estimates are high, but they are making enough to fill the estimates. If unneeded, will send them abroad to all the countries that are asking for help.

Anybody who ever said "One person can't change the world" never ate an undercooked bat.

reps.

 

[Legacy]

I'm all for helping everyone that needs help. Those that need help should be given everything under the sun to get healthy. I'm saying these numbers aren't adding up. The way politicians are saying these things almost seem surreal.
Dr. Fauche was one of the original dr's to get on tv in the 80's and claim it's Ok to give 'poison' (later found out) to aids patients. He's a political Dr.
What's really going on? I shouldn't be the only one that questions these things.
BTW, GOOGLE your best friend will not supply the information needed.

I'm not picking on you, but you raise some points that need addressing.

This is a very dangerous pathogen and because of its characteristics is best considered the flu on steroids - no, worse.

Imagine constructing the perfect biological weapon (I don't believe this is.) You would want it to:
- spread quickly by respiratory droplets,
- stay on surfaces and in the air for hours to be inhaled or transferred by touch through the upper respiratory system,
- be asymptomatic for a period of time while it is contagious,
- easily establish itself into cells in the respiratory system,
- multiply rapidly within its host
- use third parties and their contacts to spread exponentially
- be stable outside the body
- be immune to current therapies (anti-virals)
- have no vaccine available
- be lethal not only in those with decreased immune response but in healthy individuals
- be a variant of existing type of virus
- be difficult to isolate and identify as it initially spreads from its source
- easily spread among groups
- infect so many people that the health care systems, facilities and personnel are overwhelmed unable to provide supportive care that can increase chances of survival
- for those who can survive with the most serious symptoms, the recovery until discharge takes a long time while still being contagious
- with all of these characteristics maximize the effective rate of lethality

A study that came out finds the COVID-19 virus can stay in the air for up to three hours and, on inactive objects, such as stainless steel, and plastic, the virus can stay and live outside the body for two to three days, if not, longer.

 

[Circa]

Keep us updated Lax. Really interested if it was the cocktail. And prayers for you friend. I've got a friend to I heard is not doing well at all, and they have asked for the cocktail.



Trump said they think the estimates are high, but they are making enough to fill the estimates. If unneeded, will send them abroad to all the countries that are asking for help.



reps.

I'm not basing my opinion upon what the President says. He's just a cog in the wheel at this moment.

 

[Circa]

I'm not picking on you, but you raise some points that need addressing.

This is a very dangerous pathogen and because of its characteristics is best considered the flu on steroids - no, worse.

Imagine constructing the perfect biological weapon (I don't believe this is.) You would want it to:
- spread quickly by respiratory droplets,
- stay on surfaces and in the air for hours to be inhaled or transferred by touch through the upper respiratory system,
- be asymptomatic for a period of time while it is contagious,
- easily establish itself into cells in the respiratory system,
- multiply rapidly within its host
- use third parties and their contacts to spread exponentially
- be stable outside the body
- be immune to current therapies (anti-virals)
- have no vaccine available
- be lethal not only in those with decreased immune response but in healthy individuals
- be a variant of existing type of virus
- be difficult to isolate and identify as it initially spreads from its source
- easily spread among groups
- infect so many people that the health care systems, facilities and personnel are overwhelmed unable to provide supportive care that can increase chances of survival
- for those who can survive with the most serious symptoms, the recovery until discharge takes a long time while still being contagious
- with all of these characteristics maximize the effective rate of lethality

A study that came out finds the COVID-19 virus can stay in the air for up to three hours and, on inactive objects, such as stainless steel, and plastic, the virus can stay and live outside the body for two to three days, if not, longer.

I believe what your being told.
The difference Is we will be fine, If we know what to do,... other than wash our hands and stay away from the the social interaction that keeps us alive and healthy.
It's Spring cleaning time, and that means getting out and raising your immune system by being active and around other people. When I was growing up this was the time you did what was necessary to cleanse the home of the cold.

Can you send the links to these studies?
Can you give anything other than the most scary situations?
Can anyone tell us where ground zero was other than the false information being spread about bat's.
I'm too exhausted by 20 years of lies about 9/11....
same with the JFK situation.
There are so many ways our own people have misinformed us that I'll abide by their marshal law today and respect everyone's worry.
What I won't do Is take everything at face value.
This Virus Is terrible. But what's Social Media? IMO.... A Power Hungry Bitch.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'm not basing my opinion upon what the President says. He's just a cog in the wheel at this moment.

I'm not asking you to change your opinion. I'm just communicating what their strategy currently is. They are manufacturing enough to meet worse case projections as it stands now, and will share internationally if those estimates end up being high resulting in excess units.

 

[Irish YJ]

Just found out my best friend and his family are under quarantine. His wife and daughter, are close to another family who have tested positive. Both his wife and her friend are health care workers. Their daughters are BFFs and had a sleepover a few days ago. The husband of the other family works at Eli Lilly where a few have tested positive.

My buddy has symptoms but no fever. Can't get tested right now without a fever. Doesn't know if it's normal allergies or Covid. They tested his wife's friend immediately since she was a HC worker.

 

[calvegas04]

Their daughters are BFFs and had a sleepover a few days ago.

.

Not the brightest move during this time

 

[Legacy]

I believe what your being told.
The difference Is we will be fine, If we know what to do,... other than wash our hands and stay away from the the social interaction that keeps us alive and healthy.
It's Spring cleaning time, and that means getting out and raising your immune system by being active and around other people. When I was growing up this was the time you did what was necessary to cleanse the home of the cold.

Can you send the links to these studies?
Can you give anything other than the most scary situations?
Can anyone tell us where ground zero was other than the false information being spread about bat's.
I'm too exhausted by 20 years of lies about 9/11....
same with the JFK situation.
There are so many ways our own people have misinformed us that I'll abide by their marshal law today and respect everyone's worry.
What I won't do Is take everything at face value.
This Virus Is terrible. But what's Social Media? IMO.... A Power Hungry Bitch.

Tell me if you disbelieve any of the science of this pathogen - any of the characteristics I noted.
As far as the research studies,
Coronavirus spreads quickly and sometimes before people have symptoms, study finds (ScienceDaily)
- these asymptomatic people are called "silent spreaders"

New coronavirus stable for hours on surfaces
SARS-CoV-2 stability similar to original SARS virus. (NIH)

The respiratory transmission precautions can be distinguished into either droplet or airborne. Airborne is the more serious. From CDC link:

Airborne Precautions prevent transmission of infectious agents that remain infectious over long distances when suspended in the air (e.g., rubeola virus [measles], varicella virus [chickenpox], M. tuberculosis, and possibly SARS-CoV) as described in I.B.3.c and Appendix A. The preferred placement for patients who require Airborne Precautions is in an airborne infection isolation room (AIIR). An AIIR is a single-patient room that is equipped with special air handling and ventilation capacity that meet the American Institute of Architects/Facility Guidelines Institute (AIA/FGI) standards for AIIRs (i.e., monitored negative pressure relative to the surrounding area, 12 air exchanges per hour for new construction and renovation and 6 air exchanges per hour for existing facilities, air exhausted directly to the outside or recirculated through HEPA filtration before return).12, 13

As far as anything not scary, as noted frequently, most people who have the virus get mild or no symptoms. However, they can transmit it to those who do. All those actions you noted - social distancing, remaining-in-place, no large gathering, frequent hand-washing for twenty seconds, not touching nose, coughing into elbow, cleaning surfaces are effective in mitigating the spread of the virus and limiting transmission to the most vulnerable. We will be beyond the most serious part of this pandemic in a couple of months. We will have learned some valuable public health lessons. To watch how quickly our scientific and medical communities have acted, how governments have grasped what will best prevent worsening morbidity and mortality, the expressions of commitment from our healthcare workers and the positive expressions from so many Americans makes one very proud.

 

[NorthDakota]

I'm flying back to North Dakota tomorrow; family wont let me come home for 15 days lmao.

 

[Circa]

Tell me if you disbelieve any of the science of this pathogen - any of the characteristics I noted.
As far as the research studies,
Coronavirus spreads quickly and sometimes before people have symptoms, study finds (ScienceDaily)
- these asymptomatic people are called "silent spreaders"

New coronavirus stable for hours on surfaces
SARS-CoV-2 stability similar to original SARS virus. (NIH)

The respiratory transmission precautions can be distinguished into either droplet or airborne. Airborne is the more serious. From CDC link:


As far as anything not scary, as noted frequently, most people who have the virus get mild or no symptoms. However, they can transmit it to those who do. All those actions you noted - social distancing, remaining-in-place, no large gathering, frequent hand-washing for twenty seconds, not touching nose, coughing into elbow, cleaning surfaces are effective in mitigating the spread of the virus and limiting transmission to the most vulnerable. We will be beyond the most serious part of this pandemic in a couple of months. We will have learned some valuable public health lessons. To watch how quickly our scientific and medical communities have acted, how governments have grasped what will best prevent worsening morbidity and mortality, the expressions of commitment from our healthcare workers and the positive expressions from so many Americans makes one very proud.

Hey friend.
I really want to be average, and I'm not interested in being special.
The way this whole situation has transpired Is typical fear mongering about things the Social Media can launch In our Hemisphere.

I'm a middle- good/bad type of opinion..-. IMHO people get too worked up about things the left/right wish to control.
The politicians that have tested the way our communities would react about an epidemic of enormous proportion has solved their own algebra.
Anyone that can't personally forgive himself, will live death forever in their own heart...

Your question can be answered with a few simple words in the way life as an old man would tell it... It Really Is What It Is. We aren't that special, and If we allow a simple virus (World Order) to control us... Than that's exactly what we have been warned about... The special small group finally fooled you....

 

[ulukinatme]

Trump tire of talking to GM



I'd rather have the Ford or Dyson model anyway....

I'm about done with GM. As someone who strictly drove Pontiacs for 18 years (And still own one), they've been garbage since the bailout. The bailout was supposed to save jobs at GM, but they still had to slash production, close plants, and let people go. They also shipped jobs overseas.

The transformation from GMAC to Ally wasn't exactly smooth either, at least from a personal standpoint. I paid off my Grand Prix in 2012. I've been calling for 8 years trying to get my lien release, always promises that they would take care of it and fax the DMV. I'd go to the DMV, not taken care of. Then I told them just to mail it to me, promises that would happen. Never happened. I tried talking to supervisors, gave them incident numbers to refer back to, these people had no idea what was going on. Just last week I finally got a mailing with the lien release...and they spelled my name wrong. I even confirmed the spelling over the phone. Incompetent to say the least.

 

[Irish YJ]

Not the brightest move during this time

Nope. That's what I said. They live really close and have been totally immersive families though. Now two HC workers are out of the game...

I'm about done with GM. As someone who strictly drove Pontiacs for 18 years (And still own one), they've been garbage since the bailout. The bailout was supposed to save jobs at GM, but they still had to slash production, close plants, and let people go. They also shipped jobs overseas.

The transformation from GMAC to Ally wasn't exactly smooth either, at least from a personal standpoint. I paid off my Grand Prix in 2012. I've been calling for 8 years trying to get my lien release, always promises that they would take care of it and fax the DMV. I'd go to the DMV, not taken care of. Then I told them just to mail it to me, promises that would happen. Never happened. I tried talking to supervisors, gave them incident numbers to refer back to, these people had no idea what was going on. Just last week I finally got a mailing with the lien release...and they spelled my name wrong. I even confirmed the spelling over the phone. Incompetent to say the least.

GM sucks ballz anymore. I gave up on them in the late 90s... Bought a 97 F150 long bed and 98 Expedition, and never looked back. I've dabbled with X5s, a few Wranglers, Audi's, but will never do GM again. Evidently they were playing tough on ventilators. I hope they get crushed. F them. Not a time to be inflexible.

 

[IrishLax]

Not the brightest move during this time

Yeah.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Nope. That's what I said. They live really close and have been totally immersive families though. Now two HC workers are out of the game...



GM sucks ballz anymore. I gave up on them in the late 90s... Bought a 97 F150 long bed and 98 Expedition, and never looked back. I've dabbled with X5s, a few Wranglers, Audi's, but will never do GM again. Evidently they were playing tough on ventilators. I hope they get crushed. F them. Not a time to be inflexible.

I've always been a Ford guy. I'd never touch a GM product. And that's kind of funny because I pull for the Hendrick teams in Nascar thanks to Jeff Gordon.

 

[Irish YJ]

I've always been a Ford guy. I'd never touch a GM product. And that's kind of funny because I pull for the Hendrick teams in Nascar thanks to Jeff Gordon.

I grew up with family that were a lot more than GM than the other brands, but had a bad experience early. Once I went Ford, had zero bad. Had zero bad with BMW, and to my surprise, zero bad with my Wranglers except recalls. Audi is a whole different story.

Yeah.

What's funny, they've been hunker down type of folks, but let the daughter out to go a few blocks or whatever it is... One of them was actually asked to be sequestered at her work, and asked to bring the daughter who works there on summers to save for college.

At the risk of sounding whatever.... the husband works for a major drug manufacturer and is around folks that travel to and from China on a regular basis. He has symptoms and is assumed to be the start.

 

[ulukinatme]

I grew up with family that were a lot more than GM than the other brands, but had a bad experience early. Once I went Ford, had zero bad. Had zero bad with BMW, and to my surprise, zero bad with my Wranglers except recalls. Audi is a whole different story.

I loved my Audi. Was a 5000 CS Quatro with all the bells and whistles, a bit of a hand me down from my Uncle. Had heated leather seats, climate control, Moon Roof, very nice for early/mid 80s. Repairs were expensive since it wasn't domestic, but that thing was a tank. Got hit twice in that thing and never took more damage than some cracked turn signals and scratches. Being able to switch between 2WD and 4WD with the Quatro was nice too.

 

[Irish YJ]

I loved my Audi. Was a 5000 CS Quatro with all the bells and whistles, a bit of a hand me down from my Uncle. Had heated leather seats, climate control, Moon Roof, very nice for early/mid 80s. Repairs were expensive since it wasn't domestic, but that thing was a tank. Got hit twice in that thing and never took more damage than some cracked turn signals and scratches. Being able to switch between 2WD and 4WD with the Quatro was nice too.

Had similar to the below, but silver. Was basically a Scirocco. I never knew there was such a thing as a 5 cylinder. It was a very fast tank.

 

[Irish2155]

I loved my Audi. Was a 5000 CS Quatro with all the bells and whistles, a bit of a hand me down from my Uncle. Had heated leather seats, climate control, Moon Roof, very nice for early/mid 80s. Repairs were expensive since it wasn't domestic, but that thing was a tank. Got hit twice in that thing and never took more damage than some cracked turn signals and scratches. Being able to switch between 2WD and 4WD with the Quatro was nice too.

I’ve bought the same car my last 3 purchases - black Lexus ES 350. Don’t think I’ll ever buy any different. Where/when I grew up that’s all you heard - Lexus and Beamers. So, that’s why I’ve always drove the Lex.

 

[Woneone]

Tell me if you disbelieve any of the science of this pathogen - any of the characteristics I noted.
As far as the research studies,
Coronavirus spreads quickly and sometimes before people have symptoms, study finds (ScienceDaily)
- these asymptomatic people are called "silent spreaders"

New coronavirus stable for hours on surfaces
SARS-CoV-2 stability similar to original SARS virus. (NIH)

The respiratory transmission precautions can be distinguished into either droplet or airborne. Airborne is the more serious. From CDC link:


As far as anything not scary, as noted frequently, most people who have the virus get mild or no symptoms. However, they can transmit it to those who do. All those actions you noted - social distancing, remaining-in-place, no large gathering, frequent hand-washing for twenty seconds, not touching nose, coughing into elbow, cleaning surfaces are effective in mitigating the spread of the virus and limiting transmission to the most vulnerable. We will be beyond the most serious part of this pandemic in a couple of months. We will have learned some valuable public health lessons. To watch how quickly our scientific and medical communities have acted, how governments have grasped what will best prevent worsening morbidity and mortality, the expressions of commitment from our healthcare workers and the positive expressions from so many Americans makes one very proud.

Not that this is specifically towards your post, but yours was the last one that actually dealt with the virus:

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1243696001958981632?s=20

But, to the study you linked:

Meyers and her team examined more than 450 infection case reports from 93 cities in China and found the strongest evidence yet that people without symptoms must be transmitting the virus, known as pre-symptomatic transmission. According to the paper, more than 1 in 10 infections were from people who had the virus but did not yet feel sick.

That's...

That's not a real helpful study.

For example, the flu, for people who appear asymptomatic before actually "feeling" the flu but can still spread:

Univariate analyses estimated that 69% of children 0 to 5 years of age, 67% of children 6 to 15 years of age and 45% of adults (16 years of age or above) showed pre-symptomatic viral shedding.

Maybe I misread the report, rather the synopsis, but the flu is worse in that regard by a rather large margin.

Edit: In fairness, I looked for up to date studies on shedding of COVID-19, but I could not find any that were new, nor had more than a handful of participants. Even in older reports, they are based on statistics based on Chinese numbers that are nearly impossible to verify.

 

[GATTACA!]

Wuhan, endless queues for ashes of coronavirus dead cast doubts on numbers

by Lu Haitao


During the epidemic, the dead were cremated immediately, without ceremonies and without specifying the cause of death. Now family members are waiting to bury the urns containing the ashes of their loved ones. About 45,000 urnes will be distributed in Wuhan alone. The number of coronavirus deaths in China is deliberately underestimated. In the days of the peak of the epidemic, the crematory ovens worked for 19 hours a day. Journalists Li Zehua, Fang Bin, Chen Qiushi have disappeared. Photos and videos of queues at Funeral Parlors and cemeteries are blocked on social media.


Wuhan (AsiaNews) - Hundreds, perhaps thousands of people are queuing in front of Funeral Parlors in Wuhan to collect the urns with the ashes of their deceased who died in the coronavirus epidemic during city’s forced isolation.

All those who died during the epidemic were immediately cremated, without any funeral ceremony and without specifying the causes of death. Family members had to wait for the authorities' notice to retrieve the ashes of their loved ones.

On the brink of a profound economic crisis, China is pushing to restore normalcy to the country, and has scheduled the reopening of communications in Wuhan on April 8. A sign of this "normality" is the collection of urns by relatives in preparation for the feast of Qingming, on April 4th, when the tombs of the deceased are honored.

The queues and the dead

The long queues in front of the Funeral Parlors provoke the question of how many coronavirus deaths there really were. So far China has only reported 3298 deaths.

A photo released yesterday on social media (see photo) shows a long line outside the Funeral Parlor in Hankow, a district of Wuhan. Online comments say that people have had to wait for hours while public security and plainclothes policemen were watching that no one took photos. To take the ashes of their deceased, family members had to be escorted by Funeral Parlor staff members or city officials. The comments speak of "a form of surveillance".

Caixin magazine notes that the queue outside Hankow's Funeral Parlor was approximately 200 meters long; thousands of empty urns were unloaded from a truck and stacked in the Funeral Parlor.

Another "funeral hall" in Wuchang (another Wuhan neighborhood) has announced that family members can come to collect the urns with ashes from 23 March. The Funeral Parlor plans to distribute 500 per day, up to Qingming. This means around 6500 urns throughout this period.

Wuhan has seven Funeral Parlors: if it is calculated that each of them will distribute urns at the same rate as the one in Wuchang, it adds up to an estimated 45,500 urns for the city of Wuhan alone.

Perhaps not all of these deaths can be attributed to coronavirus, but it is almost certain that the official figures are purposely underestimated.

A Caixin reporter said earlier that the Funeral Parlor cremation ovens worked for 19 hours a day in February.

Li Zehua, a former CCTV television presenter who came to Wuhan as a freelancer to report on the epidemic, has been arrested and there has been no news of his whereabouts for over a month. Two other journalists have disappeared, Fang Bin and Chen Qiushi: they too were working in Wuhan. Li Zehua reported his visit to the Funeral Parlor in Qingshan between 10 and 11 p.m. on February 19 when the crematoria were still in operation.

Videos also appeared online showing long queues of people outside the Biandanshan cemetery, waiting to bury the ashes of their deceased. But even these photos and videos have been censored and taken down.

In all likelihood the exact number of coronavirus victims will never be known. During the days of the peak of the Wuhan epidemic, the health system collapsed and many patients did not have the opportunity to be hospitalized. They died before any diagnosis and were cremated without being included in official statistics.

TLDR: CCP is full of shit.

 

[ulukinatme]

Why would China be covering up the numbers infected, what are they hiding? I say it all goes back to Wuhan and the fact someone goofed and let the disease loose on the world.

 

[GATTACA!]

Why would China be covering up the numbers infected, what are they hiding? I say it all goes back to Wuhan and the fact someone goofed and let the disease loose on the world.

Even so it doesn't really benefit them to underplay the amount of damage it's doing. The theory I read that seemed plausible is that they wanted it to appear like they had the virus under control so that when they start reporting a "second wave" they can blame it on foreign entities.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Even so it doesn't really benefit them to underplay the amount of damage it's doing. The theory I read that seemed plausible is that they wanted it to appear like they had the virus under control so that when they start reporting a "second wave" they can blame it on foreign entities.

They probably decided to stop hampering the economy and live with the fallout.

 

[phork]

Hey friend.
I really want to be average, and I'm not interested in being special.
The way this whole situation has transpired Is typical fear mongering about things the Social Media can launch In our Hemisphere.

I'm a middle- good/bad type of opinion..-. IMHO people get too worked up about things the left/right wish to control.
The politicians that have tested the way our communities would react about an epidemic of enormous proportion has solved their own algebra.
Anyone that can't personally forgive himself, will live death forever in their own heart...

Your question can be answered with a few simple words in the way life as an old man would tell it... It Really Is What It Is. We aren't that special, and If we allow a simple virus (World Order) to control us... Than that's exactly what we have been warned about... The special small group finally fooled you....

At this point I dont know if you are just jerking around or are serious. This thing isn't the flu where you can eat some chicken noodle soup and be fine in a week. People are dying in larger numbers who otherwise would be fine. Hospitals are starting to issue policies in the event of overwhelming numbers that they will choose who gets the ventilators to live and who doesnt. I really don't find your new world order shit on this subject to be funny or cute.

I've always been a Ford guy. I'd never touch a GM product. And that's kind of funny because I pull for the Hendrick teams in Nascar thanks to Jeff Gordon.

I'm a buy what your neighbors build kind of guy. My dad worked at GM, my father in law at Ford. I've had good cars from each, I've had bad cars from each.

Wuhan, endless queues for ashes of coronavirus dead cast doubts on numbers

TLDR: CCP is full of shit.

Why would China be covering up the numbers infected, what are they hiding? I say it all goes back to Wuhan and the fact someone goofed and let the disease loose on the world.

Even so it doesn't really benefit them to underplay the amount of damage it's doing. The theory I read that seemed plausible is that they wanted it to appear like they had the virus under control so that when they start reporting a "second wave" they can blame it on foreign entities.

You ever watch Chernobyl?

They probably decided to stop hampering the economy and live with the fallout.

Because you can't let the world see that you are weak. Its the same reason I don't believe Russia or Indias numbers. Hide the shame!

 

[notredomer23]

My apartment complex has an outbreak of 16 cases. No symptoms for me, and thankfully my complex is pretty big so 16 is still just about 2% of total residents. I welcome this 2 week quarantine.