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And,….. I’m no longer going to the conference… I’ve also felt like shit ever since the shot… a day later my body was so sore I could hardly move (no shit, from my ankles to my shoulders just everything,… like I way over did a workout) lymph nodes still swollen, throat a mess,… it’s been almost a week now. Ugh
Sounds way worse than getting covid, I hope you don't have any permanent issues.

Have avoided the shot all together, got COVID early and haven't coughed once since. S/O to my immune system and immunity against covid.
 

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Not sure how many people are paying attention to the Canada trucker protest. They tried to stop people from providing fuel or food to the protesters by threatening arrest. For the most part I believe they've just been confiscating the fuel. So what did the protesters do? Everyone started carrying fuel containers. LOL. Most of them are empty. No crime against carrying empty fuel containers.

I do think the protesters have overstepped by shutting down the Detroit bridge. They risk pushing away people who support the principles of the protest but shutting down the bridge may be too much. You could say that it may be a bridge too far.



This likely why fuel is being confiscated. Arsonists tried to burn down an apartment building.


 

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Trudeau is looking like a dictator at this point
I saw a discussion online. It's suggested that Western leaders told Trudeau to put his foot down and play hardball, bring in the military and do whatever is necessary. The fear is if the truckers are successful it's going to lead to similar movements elsewhere and a precedent gets sent. You can very easily shut down a nation if enough truckers band together and refuse to bring the goods. No idea how much of that discussion is speculation and how much of it is reality, but there's certainly at least some truth in there.
 

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I saw a discussion online. It's suggested that Western leaders told Trudeau to put his foot down and play hardball, bring in the military and do whatever is necessary. The fear is if the truckers are successful it's going to lead to similar movements elsewhere and a precedent gets sent. You can very easily shut down a nation if enough truckers band together and refuse to bring the goods. No idea how much of that discussion is speculation and how much of it is reality, but there's certainly at least some truth in there.
Not just truckers though....what would happen if all XXXX banded together to stop what they were doing? People have more power than they think, they just don't realize it.
 

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abcMiller, it's not allowing me to quote you but I want to reply to this: "I do think the protesters have overstepped by shutting down the Detroit bridge."

No. The mandates were and continue to be the overstepping. Especially given the fact natural immunity is 6X stronger than the vaccine (per CDC).
 

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abcMiller, it's not allowing me to quote you but I want to reply to this: "I do think the protesters have overstepped by shutting down the Detroit bridge."

No. The mandates were and continue to be the overstepping. Especially given the fact natural immunity is 6X stronger than the vaccine (per CDC).
Both can be true
 

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How'd them vaccines do? LOL.

Had COVID early, it was less than a cold. Haven't gotten a single cold since. Daily daycare center pick up/drop off, weekly basketball, in office work for 90% of time, church, tons of social events. Everyone I know who got the vaccine has had COVID since and 90% of them are under 40.

Natural immunity is incredible compared to the "vaccines".
 

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How'd them vaccines do? LOL.

Had COVID early, it was less than a cold. Haven't gotten a single cold since. Daily daycare center pick up/drop off, weekly basketball, in office work for 90% of time, church, tons of social events. Everyone I know who got the vaccine has had COVID since and 90% of them are under 40.

Natural immunity is incredible compared to the "vaccines".
Weird how my wife's parents, my mom, neighbors, coworkers, etc. didn't get COVID after getting the vaccine. See, I can do anecdotal too.
 

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Weird how my wife's parents, my mom, neighbors, coworkers, etc. didn't get COVID after getting the vaccine. See, I can do anecdotal too.
It's not anecdotal. Even the CDC admits natural immunity is stronger against Delta and same will be true for "omnicron".

Or read the UK Weekly Covid reports. For 7 straight months they'd publish tables with unvacc'd on left, 2 or more doses on right. Each month vaccinated were slightly worse off for cases/hosp/deaths (age adjusted).

They had to discontinue the report last month because it was getting too much attention. We got played, time to regroup.
 

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It's not anecdotal. Even the CDC admits natural immunity is stronger against Delta and same will be true for "omnicron".

Or read the UK Weekly Covid reports. For 7 straight months they'd publish tables with unvacc'd on left, 2 or more doses on right. Each month vaccinated were slightly worse off for cases/hosp/deaths (age adjusted).

They had to discontinue the report last month because it was getting too much attention. We got played, time to regroup.
You mean these reports - https://assets.publishing.service.g...058464/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-9.pdf

The latest one got posted on March 3rd. Not sure which calendar you use, but March 3rd is 6 days ago.

If you're not able to understand rate statistics this is a good refresher -
 

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You mean these reports - https://assets.publishing.service.g...058464/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-9.pdf

The latest one got posted on March 3rd. Not sure which calendar you use, but March 3rd is 6 days ago.

If you're not able to understand rate statistics this is a good refresher -

No, not at all.

The UK publicly available ones they've been putting out each month (until the data was telling the wrong story month over month). They now stopped and switched the to the controlled and table-free version you have.

Ex, January's - the last one before they said they won't share the data anymore. Page 50. Anyone with 2 doses are worse off than unvaccinated, case and age adjusted. This has been the case for 7 straight months. "3rd dose" looks good because immunity lasts 2 months (another lie they told).


7 straight months of showing the vaccines literally do nothing to stop COVID death so they discontinued the report and made a "new" data free one. A sane society/citizen would be irate.
 

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It's not anecdotal. Even the CDC admits natural immunity is stronger against Delta and same will be true for "omnicron".

Or read the UK Weekly Covid reports. For 7 straight months they'd publish tables with unvacc'd on left, 2 or more doses on right. Each month vaccinated were slightly worse off for cases/hosp/deaths (age adjusted).

They had to discontinue the report last month because it was getting too much attention. We got played, time to regroup.
Just because it's stronger doesn't mean your anecdotal evidence of yourself means vaccines DIDN'T work. That's my point.
 

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No, not at all.

The UK publicly available ones they've been putting out each month (until the data was telling the wrong story month over month). They now stopped and switched the to the controlled and table-free version you have.

Ex, January's - the last one before they said they won't share the data anymore. Page 50. Anyone with 2 doses are worse off than unvaccinated, case and age adjusted. This has been the case for 7 straight months. "3rd dose" looks good because immunity lasts 2 months (another lie they told).


7 straight months of showing the vaccines literally do nothing to stop COVID death so they discontinued the report and made a "new" data free one. A sane society/citizen would be irate.
Did you mean to post a different chart? Because this one shows fully vaxxed/boosted people to be way better off.
 

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How'd them vaccines do? LOL.

Had COVID early, it was less than a cold. Haven't gotten a single cold since. Daily daycare center pick up/drop off, weekly basketball, in office work for 90% of time, church, tons of social events. Everyone I know who got the vaccine has had COVID since and 90% of them are under 40.

Natural immunity is incredible compared to the "vaccines".
Natural immunity isn't a safe route for many people.

I know you know that, but I just thought I'd post that reminder there in the midst of your Clay Travis-esque dunking on the vaccine... even though it is proven to save lives and keep infections from becoming deadly.
 

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Did you mean to post a different chart? Because this one shows fully vaxxed/boosted people to be way better off.
I think he was pointing out the fact that unvaccinated outperformed those with 2 doses. Those that got the booster, the chart showed them as the best. But from what we've been told, the booster starts to wane at about 10 weeks as it relates to Omicron.
 

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Natural immunity isn't a safe route for many people.

I know you know that, but I just thought I'd post that reminder there in the midst of your Clay Travis-esque dunking on the vaccine... even though it is proven to save lives and keep infections from becoming deadly.
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God, I hate Darren Rovell but this is gold.
 

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I think he was pointing out the fact that unvaccinated outperformed those with 2 doses. Those that got the booster, the chart showed them as the best. But from what we've been told, the booster starts to wane at about 10 weeks as it relates to Omicron.
Makes sense given the waning immunity for those with two, which is why single/triple dosed out perform unvaxxed by incredible magnitudes because timing is key.
 

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Natural immunity isn't a safe route for many people.

I know you know that, but I just thought I'd post that reminder there in the midst of your Clay Travis-esque dunking on the vaccine... even though it is proven to save lives and keep infections from becoming deadly.

Why force vax on those with natural immunity? This has been my #1 red flag in this from day one. It can be true that vaccines are a great idea for those who have not been infected and also true that the vaccine is unnecessary for those that have already been infected. It can also be true the the vaccine has side effects that are worth the risk for some but not for others.

Had Covid - Y/N
Y - don't need vaccine
N - The older and more comorbidities you have the more important it is to obsess about your vax status. The younger and healthier you are.....

Two years later and vax-holes everywhere can't mind their own business and get back to normal unless they have a Ukrainian flag to replace the mask on their social media avatar.
 

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Why force vax on those with natural immunity? This has been my #1 red flag in this from day one. It can be true that vaccines are a great idea for those who have not been infected and also true that the vaccine is unnecessary for those that have already been infected. It can also be true the the vaccine has side effects that are worth the risk for some but not for others.

Had Covid - Y/N
Y - don't need vaccine
N - The older and more comorbidities you have the more important it is to obsess about your vax status. The younger and healthier you are.....

Two years later and vax-holes everywhere can't mind their own business and get back to normal unless they have a Ukrainian flag to replace the mask on their social media avatar.
So here you are introducing the Ukrainian flag into a Covid thread?

Really


What is your real issue?

Do you hate this flag?

The first national flag for Ukraine was adopted in 1848 by revolutionaries who wanted its western parts to be freed from Austro-Hungarian rule. They based their flag, consisting of equal horizontal stripes of yellow over blue, on the colours of the coat of arms used by the city of Lviv.

Is there something in the yellow color
and blue color that makes you twitch?
 

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Why force vax on those with natural immunity? This has been my #1 red flag in this from day one. It can be true that vaccines are a great idea for those who have not been infected and also true that the vaccine is unnecessary for those that have already been infected. It can also be true the the vaccine has side effects that are worth the risk for some but not for others.

Had Covid - Y/N
Y - don't need vaccine
N - The older and more comorbidities you have the more important it is to obsess about your vax status. The younger and healthier you are.....

Two years later and vax-holes everywhere can't mind their own business and get back to normal unless they have a Ukrainian flag to replace the mask on their social media avatar.
The long-term side effects are something that no one is talking about. We hear about myocarditis, neurological issues, etc. stemming from the vaccine, but what about 10-30 years down the road?

Why are we not pausing to say "Hey it takes YEARS for most drugs and vaccines to be approved because the FDA wants to see what the long-term effects are. But this vaccine is suddenly okay after 3 months of studies?" Humans have made a lot of things that end up being detrimental to our health. Asbestos, Round Up, and a lot of medications that never make it to production because they are toxic and do more harm than good. Why are we not applying that logic here?

That's a serious question. Someone articulate an answer that isn't "BuT cOvId Is KiLliNg So MaNy PeOpLe AnD gRaNdMa WiLl DiE iF u DoN't SuBmIt tO sUpReMe LeAdEr FaUcI!!1!" Because that's a bullshit answer.

Also it's reckless endangerment of a child to vaccinate them. Period. Unless you subscribe to your local Teachers' Union position that kids are just little Covid spreading shitheads. Then it's totally fine to triple vax your kids and send them out in a haz mat suit.
 

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Why force vax on those with natural immunity? This has been my #1 red flag in this from day one. It can be true that vaccines are a great idea for those who have not been infected and also true that the vaccine is unnecessary for those that have already been infected. It can also be true the the vaccine has side effects that are worth the risk for some but not for others.

Had Covid - Y/N
Y - don't need vaccine
N - The older and more comorbidities you have the more important it is to obsess about your vax status. The younger and healthier you are.....

Two years later and vax-holes everywhere can't mind their own business and get back to normal unless they have a Ukrainian flag to replace the mask on their social media avatar.
I have no problem with people leaning on natural immunity after having been infected. I just hope that those folks are taking the other people around them into consideration when they are sick, or putting themselves at high risk of becoming carriers, and making smart decisions sans-vaccination.

But the original post was "how'd them vaccines do? LOL"

The answer to his question is that they're doing just fine, because they're saving lives as they are designed to do.
 

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So here you are introducing the Ukrainian flag into a Covid thread?

Really


What is your real issue?

Do you hate this flag?

The first national flag for Ukraine was adopted in 1848 by revolutionaries who wanted its western parts to be freed from Austro-Hungarian rule. They based their flag, consisting of equal horizontal stripes of yellow over blue, on the colours of the coat of arms used by the city of Lviv.

Is there something in the yellow color
and blue color that makes you twitch?
You all but made his point with this post
 
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