Copyright Stuff (and The Koon)

[JTLA]

I like Notre Dame football.

It's cool.

When is kickoff?

 

[NDohio]

I can't wait for the Rice game ......

 

[Irish#1]

It's really simple. I don't respect the way 247 handles their business on some levels, so on rare occasion I'm going to break the rules copy and paste a thing or two if I think it's worth sharing. Is that OK? No. Do I care if it's not OK? No. Is it a big deal? No.

You and koon are acting like PANDFAN got banned for copy and pasting a couple articles. He got banned because Pham pleaded with him and warned him to stop because the degree to which he was copy and pasting gave the site unnecessary legal exposure. After the umpteenth warning, Pham gave him some time off. Nobody wanted PANDFAN banned... I loved that guy. And I lobbied towards him getting as many chances as possible.

But this place isn't a democracy. This is Westeros. Pham is king and behead someone any time he damn pleases, mods included. Mods are no different than members who are stuck playing mediator and sifting through new user approvals. When asked to be a mod, I initially had serious reservations because I didn't want to deal with this bullshit. I already moderate some lacrosse boards and it was the biggest pain in the ass. So on this board I just wanted to be a guy posting and following the same rules as everyone else, because once your title changes colors everyone starts treating you different. Some try to hang on your junk, some try be annoying as fuck about "fairness" and blah blah blah like anyone actually gives a shit about equitable treatment on the Wild West that is online forums.

I think we do a really good job of keeping everything running smoothly. Some people will disagree, that's fine. And some will bitch and moan about completely inconsequential shit... to those people I say save your finger strength because I just do not care.

Picture it now......A couple of thousand IE members sitting in a courtroom represented by Johnny Cochran. Nancy Grace on CNN every night ranting about how America needs justice and all IE members must be made to pay retribution for the heinous acts of re-posting on a message board. The jury finds for the prosecution and IE members are required to pay $1.52 each. Koonja pays his all in pennies and is found in contempt.

 

[yankeeND]

OK so as for copyright rules, and dos/donts...

The truth is that it's a verrrrrry gray area on most stuff. I'll try to give examples ramping up from "do" to "don't", using a ESPN paywalled mock draft as an example.

If you paraphrase something you read and provide attribution, that's perfectly OK. "Hearsay" is not governed legally by copyright infringement laws... for example, in real life you read the insider mock draft and then went and talked yo your friends about what you read it would be OK. If you posted on the internet "Kiper has Zach Martin going 15th in most recent mock draft" then you're fine with or without a link.

Limited quoting with attribution is also generally OK. For example, if you say "Kiper has Martin going 15th and says (insert quote from mock draft about team fit or something)" and then provide a link to the full mock draft, that is typically OK.

Full paraphrasing is generally OK under the same legal umbrella as example 1, but can become a gray area. For example, if you list all 32 picks out that's probably OK depending on what detail you go into. If you list every pick and then also very closely paraphrase all of the supporting comments... that's a bit more questionable. With the paraphrasing game, it really just comes down to what level of replication you go into. It's a sliding scale.

Full copy and paste is where you actually cross the line into a no-no. If you provide attribution and a link it isn't so bad, but it's still not good. It's the difference between discussing what you read in the newspaper with your friends and taking the newspaper to the photocopier and distributing it to all of them.

If you do too much copy & paste and the offended party notices, then they can take legal action. This typically starts with a cease and desist letter. At that point if you cease and desist then it's basically all well and done. If you don't, then they can come after you for damages. To get to this point is rare and takes gross, repeated violations with no steps to address the issue.

Thank you for posting this. I have long been ignorant to the rules and this helps a lot. I also appreciate you explaining about PANDA and your stance on what you did. There really is no response necessary once you explained your feelings toward the other site.

 

[dshans]

I think your continued use of large, bandwidth sucking, GIF signatures is more annoying than off topic posts in threads. Just sayin...

This is why I shut off all signatures.

I'd explain how I did it, but it was long ago in a galaxy far, far away and I don't remember the process.

Had I more technical savvy (or curiosity) I'd like to find out just why gifs are such a pain in the ass while videos are not.

 

[Irish#1]

The site was just interrupted for a few minutes. Any relation?

After the way IE gathered an army of villagers with torches and pitchforks attacking 247, I would guess 247 wouldn't take too kindly this thread.

It was Irish8248's gif using too much bandwidth! Shutdown the MPLS fiber network until it could fail over to the backup network. lol

 

[gkIrish]

This is why I shut off all signatures.

I'd explain how I did it, but it was long ago in a galaxy far, far away and I don't remember the process.

Had I more technical savvy (or curiosity) I'd like to find out just why gifs are such a pain in the ass while videos are not.

Go to User CP> Settings and Options>Edit Options.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I think your continued use of large, bandwidth sucking, GIF signatures is more annoying than off topic posts in threads. Just sayin...

Boom. Roasted. And I concur. Even as far as stupid gifs go, that Harbaugh-having-a-tantrum is especially stupid.

 

[NDohio]

This is why I shut off all signatures.

I'd explain how I did it, but it was long ago in a galaxy far, far away and I don't remember the process.

Had I more technical savvy (or curiosity) I'd like to find out just why gifs are such a pain in the ass while videos are not.

Yep - Irish8248 is the reason I did this.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

The off-season is a wonderful time.

 

[dshans]

Boom. Roasted. And I concur. Even as far as stupid gifs go, that Harbaugh-having-a-tantrum is especially stupid.

Huzzah!

Photos, videos, and even my silly and outdated music embeds, don't waste bandwidth and time. Still shots glide by. Videos and music need not be played. Gifs load and eat up real estate no matter what one does or doesn't do.

And all too often it's the same old shit.

 

[Irish8248]

And yet you guys have no problem loading this thread lol ... It's a miracle I tell ya

 

[dshans]

And yet you guys have no problem loading this thread lol ... It's a miracle I tell ya

Not at all. With signatures turned off and nary a gif included in a single post, the sailing is smooth.

Were there a setting for eliminating any and all gifs ...

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

I still enjoy popcorn eating gifs. The one of the black dude eating while sitting on his leather chair is my favorite. Then he makes that circular head gesture of approval.

 

[magogian]

This is Westeros. Pham is king and behead someone any time he damn pleases,

And kings die all the time in Westeros. Just sayin.

 

[gkIrish]

And kings die all the time in Westeros. Just sayin.

where is a good gif when you need one?

There it is!

 

[dshans]

where is a good gif when you need one?

There it is!

BASTAGE!!!

 

[greyhammer90]

I think a Mod posting something that is basically the same as what a normal poster got banned for because the mod essentially "feels like it" is fairly douchey. (Regardless of the extenuating circumstances.)

However, I will say that maybe Koon needs to learn the consequence of having a different crusade every day. It seems even good points get drowned out when people get tired of sifting through your daily bullshit.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Just do what we do in the South.... make everything up, post it out in the public domain, and blame it on the North. By the time it gets figured out, we will have moved our mobile home to a new pad in the trailer park and nobody will find out where the OP came from. Kinda like musical chairs... but with a 12 x 80 single wide with dial up internet. Why mess with a good thing?

 

[tadman95]

Just do what we do in the South.... make everything up, post it out in the public domain, and blame it on the North. By the time it gets figured out, we will have moved our mobile home to a new pad in the trailer park and nobody will find out where the OP came from. Kinda like musical chairs... but with a 12 x 80 single wide with dial up internet. Why mess with a good thing?

You guys really rocking a 12 x 80? Impressive!

 

[koonja]

I think a Mod posting something that is basically the same as what a normal poster got banned for because the mod essentially "feels like it" is fairly douchey. (Regardless of the extenuating circumstances.)

However, I will say that maybe Koon needs to learn the consequence of having a different crusade every day. It seems even good points get drowned out when people get tired of sifting through your daily bullshit.

So to recap, you agree with me, but since I brought it up, I should be taught a lesson. Is that what you're saying?

I hope for my sake you're never a mod, lol.

 

[Irish Insanity]

So to recap, you agree with me, but since I brought it up, I should be taught a lesson. Is that what you're saying?

I hope for my sake you're never a mod, lol.

Pretty sure he's saying he agrees but your valid point becomes mute to most being it seems every day there is some issue with you. I mostly agree with that, but I also think the issues with you on this site are as much others fault as it is yours.

 

[koonja]

Pretty sure he's saying he agrees but your valid point becomes mute to most being it seems every day there is some issue with you. I mostly agree with that, but I also think the issues with you on this site are as much others fault as it is yours.

Ahh, ok. I agree with that.

A lot of times posts and opinions would be taken very differently if they came from a different username, IMO.

Let me be an example to new users of the importantance to start out on the right foot, lol.

 

[Cackalacky]

 

[Monk]

Go to User CP> Settings and Options>Edit Options.

Thank you for this.

 

[Irish8248]

Fuck everybody!

(I really only mean Michigan, USC, 247, and my ex-in laws, but I don't want to get in trouble with any of their lawyers, so I will just say : "FUCKEVERYBODY!")

Now you're just trying to piss off Dshans and his grammatical standards lol

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Now you're just trying to piss off Dshans and his grammatical standards lol

Whyever would you say that?

 

[Irish#1]

Ahh, ok. I agree with that.

A lot of times posts and opinions would be taken very differently if they came from a different username, IMO.

Let me be an example to new users of the importantance to start out on the right foot, lol.

Koonja, you were born in the wrong generation. You would have made a great hippie. Power to the People, Don't let the Man keep you down, Question everything! lol

 

[dshans]

... You would have made a great hippie. Power to the People, Don't let the Man keep you down, Question everything! lol

Sure seems like a sound plan to me!

 

[Cackalacky]

Koonja, you were born in the wrong generation. You would have made a great hippie. Power to the People, Don't let the Man keep you down, Question everything! lol

Or a black-sploitation star: