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Firing the Ma Deuce is just awesome. However the STG 44 may take the cake.
 
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Weapon and Steve Scalise

Weapon and Steve Scalise

This seemed like the best thread to pose some questions about the impact the weapon had on Scalise, his traumatic injuries, and the reason is was destructive, including force multiplier, ballistics, and bullet track through the relevant anatomy.

Hodgkinson used a SKS 762, semi-automatic rifle, Russian-made very similar to the AK 47, shooting Scalise from behind third base to near second base. The velocity would have been just under 2400 feet per second, delivering a kinetic energy of over 1500 joules(?).

I don't know how many bullets can be fired per second or the bullet clip capacity of that weapon and whether that bullet is solid core or can be a hollow point, delivering multiple missles in the body. Scalise did receive only one bullet in the "hip".

As far as the relevant anatomy, the round could penetrate the bone to the organs in pelvis and lower abdomen, which would include small and large intestines, urinary organs - bladder, kidney etc - and blood vessels, of which the larger ones of special concern are the iliac arteries and veins and abdominal aorta. He apparently had significant damage to those, requiring twenty units of blood.

From what I read, that type of bullet would have penetrated a few inches prior to creating a cavitation force. Those gel targets wouldn't necessarily be similar to what happens within the body.

(Alert - Graphic) From a trauma surgeon's perspective:
But the worst is a wound from an AR-15 or AK-47 — high-muzzle velocity weapons, which impart a tremendous amount of kinetic energy into the body. Those are much more destructive. You’re looking at a wound that, externally, is two, three, four times bigger than any handgun wound.

And that is reflective of the damage that happens on the inside. When a bullet from a high-muzzle velocity weapon hits the intestines, it’s like an explosion, whereas a low-muzzle velocity can be very similar to a knife going through the intestines; there’s bleeding, but it doesn’t destroy the whole area. A high-muzzle bullet, however, destroys whole areas of body. With a bone that’s been shot with a standard-issue caliber handgun, you’ll see a break, a hole in the bone, and maybe some displacement. But a high-muzzle weapon shatters that bone into hundreds of microscopic pieces, in a way that cannot be repaired. You need to essentially clean out the bone that has been struck and remove it from the body; it’s now a worthless tissue. You can’t believe that a bullet could do this amount of damage.

When a Bullet Enters a Body: Gun Violence as Seen by a Trauma Surgeon (The Trace)

This also had some good info:
Firearms Tutorial - Patterns of Tissue Injury (Utah Med Library)

Deformation of the bullet, fragmentation of the bullet or secondary targets such as bone, and amount of kinetic energy imparted to tissues, as well as tissue characteristics affect patterns of tissue injury. The higher the specific gravity of tissue, the greater the damage. Elasticity reduces damage. Thus, lung tissue of low density and high elasticity is damaged less than muscle with higher density but some elasticity. Liver, spleen, and brain have little tensile strength and elasticity and are easily injured, as is adipose tissue. Fluid-filled organs (bladder, heart, great vessels, bowel) can burst because of pressure waves generated. A bullet striking bone may cause fragmentation of bone and/or bullet, with numerous secondary missiles formed, each producing additional wounding. Fragmentation increases the permanent cavity size (Maiden, 2009; Bruner et al, 2011).

Formation of the temporary cavity exerts pressure waves and shearing forces. These forces can rupture blood vessels to allow blood to escape. The extracellular tissue matrix with collagen, reticular, and elastic fibers can be disrupted. Thus, a contusion of tissue surrounding the bullet track can fill the track with blood and interstitial fluid, as well as cause edema of contused tissue.

So, it appears he survived only by the combination of events, had the most critical injuries he could have and be alive when he arrived at the ER and straight to the OR, and that his organ and vessel damage is probably very severe. Should the shooting have gone on longer, his transport was not by helicopter, experienced trauma surgeons and personnel were not available, he would not have made it. Quite admirable that his security detail went up against it with their handguns. I think he and his family have a recovery that will include dealing with the results of that one bullet.

A look at firepower, destructive force of rifle in Steve Scalise shooting: 'Miracle he's alive' (The New Orleans Advocate)

Any insights on the weapon, the damage or other info?
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Canadian sniper killed ISIS suicide bomber from over 2.1 miles away, half a mile further than previous record. <a href="https://t.co/KDQ5k88aa5">https://t.co/KDQ5k88aa5</a> <a href="https://t.co/cpNrF8dqTx">pic.twitter.com/cpNrF8dqTx</a></p>— Elliott Schwartz (@elliosch) <a href="https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/877868090079363073">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Well, we know the coolest thing this guy has ever done. I think I'm going to add a Kimber KS6 to the collection next.
 

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Pregnant 19-Year-Old Fatally Shoots Boyfriend in YouTube Vid - Rolling Stone

TIL an encyclopedia won't prevent a .50 caliber Desert Eagle from blowing your face off (or ripping a hole in your chest, as it were).

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of the less well known positives of banning firearms is, you get to see both our capacity for ingenuity & violence working in harmony. <a href="https://t.co/hBFVbweMEV">pic.twitter.com/hBFVbweMEV</a></p>— Aidan O'Brien (@ArtimusFoul) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArtimusFoul/status/913735474317070337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Anyone ever fired a FN Five-Seven*before? Thinking of buying one and was looking for some feedback.
 

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My five year old is a freakin crack shot with her pink Red Rider... no joke, we go in the backyard and shoot cans and she's knocking them over constantly while the adults sit there like, "what is going on here?!?" lol
 

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Anyone ever fired a FN Five-Seven*before? Thinking of buying one and was looking for some feedback.

I've been looking at these for awhile myself, but haven't purchased. Ever since I read the "Victor the Assassin" series.
I'm not sure if you've held one yet, but it's similar in size to a FNS 9 or Glock 17, but about 3/4" longer and the grip is about 1/4" longer too. It is noticeably lighter though. It would be tough to carry unless it's winter/fall and you can layer up, but the weight would make it easier.

I want one. Would just be a paper killer for me, but killing paper is fun.


I do own a couple FN hand guns and can vouch for their quality.
 

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I've been looking at these for awhile myself, but haven't purchased. Ever since I read the "Victor the Assassin" series.
I'm not sure if you've held one yet, but it's similar in size to a FNS 9 or Glock 17, but about 3/4" longer and the grip is about 1/4" longer too. It is noticeably lighter though. It would be tough to carry unless it's winter/fall and you can layer up, but the weight would make it easier.

I want one. Would just be a paper killer for me, but killing paper is fun.


I do own a couple FN hand guns and can vouch for their quality.

Thanks for the feedback, reps! If I can find one at a good price I will probably pick one up!
 

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1. Bolt action British .303 (was wife's grandpa's in the WWII)
2. AK-47 (brother in laws)
3. AR-15 (" ")
4. Kimber 1911 9mm (personal)
 

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speaking of CCW, plan on switching from a XDSC 9mm to a Shield 45 - should be a nice switch and easier to conceal. Also looking at a WWG 45-70-some sort of custom 45-70 lever action.

Also building/piecing a rifle for my bro. Bergara HMR in 308 with a PST 4-16x50 scope. And the kicker is a suppressor. He has the cash and I'll put it together. We'll have some fun plinking and hunting.
 

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I think I felt my soul leaving my body, every time I pulled the trigger.
 

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From Gandhi to guns: An Indian woman at the NRA - CNN.com
By Moni Basu, CNN
Updated 11:42 PM ET, Fri April 28, 2017

This was a thoughtful and refreshing read from a CNN reporter. Who knew such things existed?

I am a gun owner. I desire to kill no one. I pray the day never comes I am put in a situation to make the choice to shoot someone or allow them to put my family in danger. I am not uneducated (Masters degree). I enjoy shooting for sport, and live in the wide open plains of Eastern Colorado where we have many places to shoot safely. I respect guns and there power. I teach my boys to do the same. I appreciate the connection between guns and freedom as expressed in this article, not only for myself, but for all others in our nation. Breaking stereotypes, one post at a time.

Thanks for posting.
 
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“It is ordinarily illegal to transform a semi-automatic weapon into an automatic weapon, and it’s illegal to buy an automatic weapon unless you have a special license and undergo a special background check,” (Senator John) Cornyn (R-Tx), who sits on the Judiciary Committee, said in an interview. “I’m not sure how these bump stocks fit into that scheme, but that’s certainly something that’s got my attention and I think we ought to get to the bottom of it.”

"Fully automatic weapons have been banned for a long time, Apparently, this allows you to take a semiautomatic and turn it into a fully automatic. So clearly that’s something we need to look into."
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(Oct 2017)

Despite key House and Senate Reps publicly coming out in favor of addressing banning bump stocks after the Las Vegas massacre, bump stock bills went nowhere in both branches. Ryan and House Reps killed a bill introduced by Las Vegas and RI representatives, referring it to the ATF for regulatory changes last October. It's not clear if ATF has ever reviewed it. A concealed carry reciprocity bill passed the House. The Senate bill did not get to Committee. A number of states have had bills introduced, which have had party-line votes when they have gotten that far. Only Mass has passed legislation banning bump stocks.
 
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Paul Ryan.
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Despite key House and Senate Reps publicly coming out in favor of addressing banning bump stocks after the Las Vegas massacre, bump stock bills went nowhere in both branches. Ryan and House Reps killed a bill introduced by Las Vegas and RI representatives, referring it to the ATF for regulatory changes last October. It's not clear if ATF has ever reviewed it. A concealed carry reciprocity bill passed the House. The Senate bill did not get to Committee. A number of states have had bills introduced, which have had party-line votes when they have gotten that far. Only Mass has passed legislation banning bump stocks.

Our state dems pushed it, but it went nowhere. I think most realize it doesn't really accomplish much and few are that passionate about it.
 

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Has anyone tried reloading their own ammo? Do you think it’s worth it? What’s your setup?
 

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Our state dems pushed it, but it went nowhere. I think most realize it doesn't really accomplish much and few are that passionate about it.

I think this is the problem. There isn't a single solution to solve the violence issue but piece by piece, we could outlaw certain guns and gun add-ons that make someone more lethal.

I'm all for personal firearm ownership and I'm also for reducing access to rapid fire guns. I'm also for a national gun database and background checks, etc.

I think the root cause is ultimately a society destabilizing itself internally, I think very little violence actually has to do with gun policy. Someone intent on doing harm will find a way to do harm.

But we can still attempt to put in a few more roadblocks.
 

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I think I felt my soul leaving my body, every time I pulled the trigger.

My new baby built for Libs that think 5 finger discounts and idle threats are universal:

https://youtu.be/KZOWf47k1Cc

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what a beast of a gun! Too much for me.

Re: reloading. Always wanted to but only to develop loads that are extremely accurate. I've never gotten into it though-too much time is taken up with other things. I have seen many classes in how to learn reloading at gun ranges or shops, etc....
 

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Anyone ever fired a FN Five-Seven*before? Thinking of buying one and was looking for some feedback.

It's a cool gun and the round is really unique. But shoots a lot like a .22, and I can't get myself to drop over a thousand bucks on a gun that shoots like a .22.

I can see someone buying it if they are going to use it for protection purposes because that 5.7x28 round will rip through anything. But I'd probably pass if you're just gonna shoot it a handful of times a year at the range.
 

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Has anyone tried reloading their own ammo? Do you think it’s worth it? What’s your setup?


My brother reloads. It must be said though that he's really into shooting. I hit the range one or two times a month and shoot a few hundred rounds each time. He hits the range every week and spends hours there.

IMO, the time he puts into reloading isn't worth the money he saves, but he enjoys sitting in his basement building rounds of ammo with the game on in the background.

If you're planning on putting thousands of rounds down range a month and have the time to build and experiment with your own rounds, it's probably worth it to you. You'll save quite a bit.

I keep a years worth of ammo in my safe and will replenish and rotate it every six months. you can find some good deals here:

https://www.ammograb.com
 

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I think this is the problem. There isn't a single solution to solve the violence issue but piece by piece, we could outlaw certain guns and gun add-ons that make someone more lethal.

I'm all for personal firearm ownership and I'm also for reducing access to rapid fire guns. I'm also for a national gun database and background checks, etc.

I think the root cause is ultimately a society destabilizing itself internally, I think very little violence actually has to do with gun policy. Someone intent on doing harm will find a way to do harm.

But we can still attempt to put in a few more roadblocks.

The people who are passionate about mass shootings with rapid fire weapons and the accessories that convert semis to autos are those who have seen the effect of high-velocity weapons and the costs to their communities in lives lost or changed forever - the victims, the families, trauma surgeons... Bump stocks? What are they good for except killing as many people as one can as fast as possible.
 
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