College Football Playoff Expansion?

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You’re going to be pretty miserable for a long time, because ND isn’t going to win a natty every year.
I'm not miserable at all, but I do expect far more for ND football than they've produced over the last 30 years. IDK why someone would think acknowledging reality makes someone miserable.
 
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What you all think of this? SEC and Big10 make push to get 4 qualifying spots each for CFB playoffs?
 
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What you all think of this? SEC mad Big10 pushing to get 4 qualifying spots each for CFB playoffs?

Continued commodification of the sport, and even more of a turn towards NFL-Lite.

It's abhorrent and should never be discussed seriously. Frankly, abolish the playoff has always been my belief, but we're past that. Unfortunately, we're wayyyyy more likely to see what the SEC and B1G are asking for, than an abolition of the playoff.
 

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The more teams that get into the playoff, the more diluted the regular season becomes, the closer college football inches closer to college hoops: an irrelevant regular season that morphs into a 2-3 week sport at the end of the year. Really sad to see.
 

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What you all think of this? SEC and Big10 make push to get 4 qualifying spots each for CFB playoffs?


Makes perfect sense to me. Other than Notre Dame, and a couple of ACC schools and a Big 12 school or two, who else out there is worthy?
 

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I can tell you who is definitely not worthy: SEC and B1G schools #3-4.
The problem is, they MIGHT be starting this year. Because if you do the math, you can end up with 4-5 undefeated teams in the B1G going forward due to the massive size of the conference. https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/s/UI4tVVZtJq

Now... the actual possibility of that is slim, but is out there. How can they justify who goes into the B1G Championship Game, and then leave UP TO 3 teams out of it.

This entire wave of expansion was for 2 fucking bullshit reasons: Money and Control of the sport! And both the SEC and B1G benefit while everyone else has to cave because of their shear size and, now, power.
 

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Makes perfect sense to me. Other than Notre Dame, and a couple of ACC schools and a Big 12 school or two, who else out there is worthy?
can tell you who is definitely not worthy: SEC and B1G schools #3-4.


So, strictly looking at 2023, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Missouri wouldn’t be worthy? What was LSU? They were close, I believe. What about Ohio State, Penn State, and Oregon?

Point is, you have to remember that the SEC just added Texas and Oklahoma, and the Big Ten just added USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington.

You’re going to have a lot of good teams with only a loss or two. They’re going to raise hell if Iowa State or Syracuse, while playing a schedule filled with straight dog shit, gets in over them due to a better record.
 

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So, strictly looking at 2023, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Missouri wouldn’t be worthy? What was LSU? They were close, I believe. What about Ohio State, Penn State, and Oregon?

Point is, you have to remember that the SEC just added Texas and Oklahoma, and the Big Ten just added USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington.

You’re going to have a lot of good teams with only a loss or two. They’re going to raise hell if Iowa State or Syracuse, while playing a schedule filled with straight dog shit, gets in over them due to a better record.
The problem is... This isn't what college football is supposed to be to a lot of us. Add to that, how do you deem worthiness? Then there is the fact of, look at the playoffs so far. There have been plenty of blowouts with just 4 teams. Imagine with 14.

Also, do we really want to have a national champion with, potentially, 3 losses? I mean, sure they got hot at the right time, and beat the other teams in the playoff, but again something about all of it feels so NOT CFB.
 

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The expanded regular season and playoffs hasn't hurt the NFL. It's called King Football for a reason.
I would argue the 7th playoff team in the NFL has diminished the playoffs. Eagles definitely didn't belong in 2021, Browns didn't belong this year, etc. Games were blowouts and don't improve the product.

Also have to keep in mind college ball doesn't have the parity than NFL does. The 14th best team in the NFL is A LOT better than the 14th team in college football. Not even close.
 

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So, strictly looking at 2023, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Missouri wouldn’t be worthy? What was LSU? They were close, I believe. What about Ohio State, Penn State, and Oregon?

Point is, you have to remember that the SEC just added Texas and Oklahoma, and the Big Ten just added USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington.

You’re going to have a lot of good teams with only a loss or two. They’re going to raise hell if Iowa State or Syracuse, while playing a schedule filled with straight dog shit, gets in over them due to a better record.
This is why autobids are stupid to begin with.
 

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This is why autobids are stupid to begin with.
I'm fine with a conference champion getting an automatic bid - even in the Big 12 or ACC. I don't like that they'll be automatically given a 1-4 seed though. It is entirely feasible that a conference champion could deserve a 5-12 seed instead of the 1-4, first round bye.
 

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I'm fine with a conference champion getting an automatic bid - even in the Big 12 or ACC. I don't like that they'll be automatically given a 1-4 seed though. It is entirely feasible that a conference champion could deserve a 5-12 seed instead of the 1-4, first round bye.
I want the weakest division champion to be the fourth seed every single time ND is the five seed...
 

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I'm fine with a conference champion getting an automatic bid - even in the Big 12 or ACC. I don't like that they'll be automatically given a 1-4 seed though. It is entirely feasible that a conference champion could deserve a 5-12 seed instead of the 1-4, first round bye.
But why? It's unnecessary. When would a conference champion ever be excluded? If they're worse than 12 other teams they don't deserve to be in anyways.
 

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Per the article, The CFP is expanding from four teams to 12 beginning this fall. It has an agreement in principle with ESPN on a new six-year deal worth $1.3 billion annually that also restructures the final two years — 2024 and 2025 — of its original contract with the network to account for more playoff games. Apparently this is just the CFP and ESPN tie up for the contract and $ and they have shelved the discussions/debates re: increased now Power Four payouts, multiple automatic bids for the Big Ten and SEC, expanded format (from 12 to 14 teams), etc. for for now, because it won’t impact the CFP media rights agreement with ESPN.
 

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Ok, well someone is writing the wrong story because this story says that both Hamel and Dinich w/ ESPN are reporting that each league and ND will sign off on Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) re: the new 14-team playoff that starts in 2026 by midday tomorrow (Friday)! 🤷‍♂️
 

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I'm sorry but I simply do not understand why we can't at least try the 12-team playoff for a few years before pivoting to this new system? (Also, yes I think autobids for teams that do not at least win a conference title are bullshit).
 

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I'm sorry but I simply do not understand why we can't at least try the 12-team playoff for a few years before pivoting to this new system? (Also, yes I think autobids for teams that do not at least win a conference title are bullshit).
This seems like they want a lawsuit frankly. Demanding autobids for specific conference non-champs seems extremely problematic and frankly, unnecessary. If the SEC and B1G have three teams that pass the smell test, they will be getting three anyway, idk why they act like this
 

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The NFL-ization of CFB is almost complete…

I hate to honestly say this, but over the last 3 years with expansion of the playoff looming (and I hate the 4 team format too) I have been drifting farther and farther from being a fan of the sport.
 

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The NFL-ization of CFB is almost complete…

I hate to honestly say this, but over the last 3 years with expansion of the playoff looming (and I hate the 4 team format too) I have been drifting farther and farther from being a fan of the sport.
Then they'll complain when attendance tanks.

I'm a fan of the 4 team playoff. I wrote a paper in college advocating for 12 back in 2010. I think it was just conference champs.
 

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The NFL-ization of CFB is almost complete…

I hate to honestly say this, but over the last 3 years with expansion of the playoff looming (and I hate the 4 team format too) I have been drifting farther and farther from being a fan of the sport.
Im with you was always a keep the old bowl model then do a plus one
 

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Im with you was always a keep the old bowl model then do a plus one
Exactly my thoughts!

"Oh all other leagues and sports have a playoff, why shouldn't college football?"
Because, it's different! That's the cool part. That's what makes it special. That's what makes college football beautiful, fun, intriguing. If you don't understand that, you aren't a college football fan... you're a football fan. There is a difference.
 
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