College Football Playoff Expansion?

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I'm sorry but I simply do not understand why we can't at least try the 12-team playoff for a few years before pivoting to this new system? (Also, yes I think autobids for teams that do not at least win a conference title are bullshit).
I was thinking we'd get a 6-8 team playoff at some point. But the NCAA just jumped from 4 to 12 and soon 14. Too much, too fast IMO.
 

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I was thinking we'd get a 6-8 team playoff at some point. But the NCAA just jumped from 4 to 12 and soon 14. Too much, too fast IMO.
$$$$$$$$$$

That's all it's about. Nothing else. Fuck traditions. Fuck rivalries. Fuck the fans. Fuck on campus games. Fuck the college experience and tailgates. Fuck bowl games. How many zeroes can we add onto the bottom line? Squeeze every last bit of TV, ad, ticket, streaming, etc. revenue we can right now. Who cares about the health of the sport in 10, 20, 30 years.
 

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I realize details are still being hammered out but - aside from adding two spots - I don't entirely understand what's so different here.
Aren't P4 conference champs and one G5 guaranteed a spot in the 12-team playoff?
I had read something about them considering three or four autobids for the Big Ten/SEC - which is deck-stacking bullshit even if most of those spots in practice would usually go to B1G/SEC teams - but that doesn't appear to be in the deal, as of now.
 

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Ah, more details here. Looks like it's mainly about how the money gets split up. It seems we're guaranteed at least $12M/year. Which is more than we usually get now but also substantially less than, say, Northwestern or Vandy will get. SEC/BIG still maybe could stack the deck, or maybe not?

 

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Multiple sources briefed on the revenue model confirmed the new breakdown to be roughly 29 percent annually for both the Big Ten and SEC (more than $21 million per school), 17 percent for the ACC (around $13 million each), 15 percent for the Big 12 ($12 million each) and 9 percent for the Group of 5 conferences collectively (around $1.8 million per school). The remainder goes to independents, including more than $12 million for Notre Dame, and the Football Championship Subdivision. There is an additional performance bonus available only to independents for making the CFP field; Notre Dame would receive an additional $6 million for making the Playoff, putting its payout within striking distance of the Big Ten and SEC in those years.
 

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Independence continues to be a disadvantage at every turn. We're about 5 turns past being independent making sense:

Big10 teams: $75 million television + $21 million CFP = $96 million a year per team

SEC teams: $65 million television + $24 million CFP = $89 million a year per team

Notre Dame: $67 million ($50 million from NBC plus $17 partial ACC payments) + $13 million from CPF = $80 million per year
 
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Independence continues to be a disadvantage at every turn. We're about 5 turns past being independent making sense:

Big10 teams: $75 million television + $21 million CFP = $96 million a year per team

SEC teams: $65 million television + $24 million CFP = $89 million a year per team

Notre Dame: $67 million ($50 million from NBC plus $17 partial ACC payments) + $13 million from CPF = $80 million per year
We don't need money.
 

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We are making significantly more than 50 from NBC and we get a bonus for making and also winning games… think ND knows how to make money
 

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I’m for whatever is going to give ND the best chance at a title. It really sucked watching a comparable team (Michigan) win this year. That easily could’ve been our Irish.
For real, having your enemy waltz into a weak playoff is disappointing, especially when Georgia stumbled at the goal line, Alabama was transitioning, Clemson is also down, and the rest of the field wasn't that impressive as some past playoffs. Then they end up winning after cheating to get there, vomit inducing. Really hope that title gets pulled.
 

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For real, having your enemy waltz into a weak playoff is disappointing, especially when Georgia stumbled at the goal line, Alabama was transitioning, Clemson is also down, and the rest of the field wasn't that impressive as some past playoffs. Then they end up winning after cheating to get there, vomit inducing. Really hope that title gets pulled.
I'd take 10 USC titles over 1 for Michigan.
 

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Are we sure ND would get an Independent bonus along with the guaranteed $12M? That doesn't seem right.
 

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For real, having your enemy waltz into a weak playoff is disappointing, especially when Georgia stumbled at the goal line, Alabama was transitioning, Clemson is also down, and the rest of the field wasn't that impressive as some past playoffs. Then they end up winning after cheating to get there, vomit inducing. Really hope that title gets pulled.
Tbh I think Clemson is about cooked as a championship team. They got lucky and landed a couple of generational qb's back to back. Watch them go do it again now that I said that lmao
 

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$$$$$$$$$$

That's all it's about. Nothing else. Fuck traditions. Fuck rivalries. Fuck the fans. Fuck on campus games. Fuck the college experience and tailgates. Fuck bowl games. How many zeroes can we add onto the bottom line? Squeeze every last bit of TV, ad, ticket, streaming, etc. revenue we can right now. Who cares about the health of the sport in 10, 20, 30 years.

100% correct
 

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$$$$$$$$$$

That's all it's about. Nothing else. Fuck traditions. Fuck rivalries. Fuck the fans. Fuck on campus games. Fuck the college experience and tailgates. Fuck bowl games. How many zeroes can we add onto the bottom line? Squeeze every last bit of TV, ad, ticket, streaming, etc. revenue we can right now. Who cares about the health of the sport in 10, 20, 30 years.
This is why I think ND should remain independent, sit back, and watch the sport blow up.

$$$ is ruining the sport and hopefully Nick Saban's voice will open some eyes.
 

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Predictions sure to go wrong:

I think bowl games will soon be a thing of the past. If a team doesn’t make the CFP, the staff will want to focus on the portal not some scrimmage game & a Duke’s Mayo bath. Knowing how important the opportunity to practice for bowls is to teams, the NCAA (or conferences) will allow all teams to participate in workouts in December. The bowls outside of the CFP will not generate enough money for the schools to reconsider.

IMO, the conference championship games will soon be gone as the conference commissioners will collude and then plead their case to the public, “What about our student-athletes?!?! They’re basically playing an NFL schedule”. Hopefully, Swarbrick knows this as well and planned accordingly for when that happens b/c that’s the sole reason ND can’t get a bye right now as the CFP format stands.

Additionally, I think you’ll see teams who have no shot at the CFP, start planning for the future. Some out of necessity as their key players may opt out of the remaining games to prepare for the draft or enter portal. Others will be to truly move on from the current graduating class knowing they can’t help them the following year. There will be no blowback from recruits b/c this will be the new normal. Especially if players become employees. If/when that happens, there will be more players getting cut for underperformance.

It could be a harsh new world for these 18 year olds entering college but there’s also a good chance they’ll be unionized which could protect them from being cut earlier than what a team may want to do. I don’t think the majority of the fanbases quit watching (especially in the South) but there will be some big shakeups coming sooner or later.
 

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Predictions sure to go wrong:

I think bowl games will soon be a thing of the past. If a team doesn’t make the CFP, the staff will want to focus on the portal not some scrimmage game & a Duke’s Mayo bath. Knowing how important the opportunity to practice for bowls is to teams, the NCAA (or conferences) will allow all teams to participate in workouts in December. The bowls outside of the CFP will not generate enough money for the schools to reconsider.

IMO, the conference championship games will soon be gone as the conference commissioners will collude and then plead their case to the public, “What about our student-athletes?!?! They’re basically playing an NFL schedule”. Hopefully, Swarbrick knows this as well and planned accordingly for when that happens b/c that’s the sole reason ND can’t get a bye right now as the CFP format stands.

Additionally, I think you’ll see teams who have no shot at the CFP, start planning for the future. Some out of necessity as their key players may opt out of the remaining games to prepare for the draft or enter portal. Others will be to truly move on from the current graduating class knowing they can’t help them the following year. There will be no blowback from recruits b/c this will be the new normal. Especially if players become employees. If/when that happens, there will be more players getting cut for underperformance.

It could be a harsh new world for these 18 year olds entering college but there’s also a good chance they’ll be unionized which could protect them from being cut earlier than what a team may want to do. I don’t think the majority of the fanbases quit watching (especially in the South) but there will be some big shakeups coming sooner or later.

You've got to factor in money though. Conference championships generate revenue. So do those smaller bowl games, even if they aren't always stellar. Look how much cash we brought to the city of El Paso in the last bowl and the last time we were there. I think a lot of things will change with the new playoff format, you're absolutely right there, but anything that generates revenue for someone is going to remain I would guess.
 

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You've got to factor in money though. Conference championships generate revenue. So do those smaller bowl games, even if they aren't always stellar. Look how much cash we brought to the city of El Paso in the last bowl and the last time we were there. I think a lot of things will change with the new playoff format, you're absolutely right there, but anything that generates revenue for someone is going to remain I would guess.
In the old system, yes. Now the goal for conferences will be to get as many teams into the CFP as possible. In a lot of years, both participants in the conference champ games will be among the top 12 (or 14) regardless so how compelling will the game be to the networks? The revenue from CFP > revenue from CCG
 
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