College Athletics Branding - Name Image Likeness Rules

[tussin]

Can someone fix the typo in the thread title?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

We weren't talking about boosters. We were talking about NIL money and if players have to declare it and pay taxes on it, which they 100% are required to do.

No... I never put that limitation on who can give NIL money because the schools dont put that limitation on it. Essentially anyone can give a recruit money for any reason and its up to the recruit to declare it to the school or not.

 

[Irish#1]

Tom Brady just signed 10 kids to NIL deals to wear clothes from his new line called "Brady".

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Has anyone listened to the most recent Split Zone Duo podcast episode? They had an interesting take on the Travis Hunter/Jackson State/ Barstool potential deal. The part we should be interested in is how we are actually set up to be able to do something similar with our relationship with NBC/Peacock. We could basically have Peacock go and offer a top recruit a deal for a documentary series if they were at ND. It turns into a kind of positive feedback loop then because if ND gets the top recruit, say a 5 star QB, we would win more, which draws more viewers to our games on NBC, which raises the QB's profile, which draws viewers to his documentary series on Peacock.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Has anyone listened to the most recent Split Zone Duo podcast episode? They had an interesting take on the Travis Hunter/Jackson State/ Barstool potential deal. The part we should be interested in is how we are actually set up to be able to do something similar with our relationship with NBC/Peacock. We could basically have Peacock go and offer a top recruit a deal for a documentary series if they were at ND. It turns into a kind of positive feedback loop then because if ND gets the top recruit, say a 5 star QB, we would win more, which draws more viewers to our games on NBC, which raises the QB's profile, which draws viewers to his documentary series on Peacock.

And highlights ND, what makes it special and why a kid would choose it. Whoever the old white dudes in ivory suites are at ND that are 30 years behind the times, this should appeal to them... Sell ND, sell the university through the football team by leveraging one of our advantages. Win-win-win.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

It's an interesting idea but the last "reality" show that involved ND was so sanitized it was useless.

 

[Riddickulous]

Has anyone listened to the most recent Split Zone Duo podcast episode? They had an interesting take on the Travis Hunter/Jackson State/ Barstool potential deal. The part we should be interested in is how we are actually set up to be able to do something similar with our relationship with NBC/Peacock. We could basically have Peacock go and offer a top recruit a deal for a documentary series if they were at ND. It turns into a kind of positive feedback loop then because if ND gets the top recruit, say a 5 star QB, we would win more, which draws more viewers to our games on NBC, which raises the QB's profile, which draws viewers to his documentary series on Peacock.

This would be a disaster in the locker room IMO

 

[IrishRazor82]

This would be a disaster in the locker room IMO

I don't think so. I mean this would be taking it to a new level, but isn't Kyle Hamilton's podcast kind of proof it can be handled? You have to pick the right kid obviously. If Island Boys come here it's not them..

 

[IrishLax]

Has anyone listened to the most recent Split Zone Duo podcast episode? They had an interesting take on the Travis Hunter/Jackson State/ Barstool potential deal. The part we should be interested in is how we are actually set up to be able to do something similar with our relationship with NBC/Peacock. We could basically have Peacock go and offer a top recruit a deal for a documentary series if they were at ND. It turns into a kind of positive feedback loop then because if ND gets the top recruit, say a 5 star QB, we would win more, which draws more viewers to our games on NBC, which raises the QB's profile, which draws viewers to his documentary series on Peacock.

Arch Manning. Let's speak it into existence.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Arch Manning. Let's speak it into existence.

I was thinking more a combo of Dante Moore and Carnell Tate. Would the Manning clan even want that much attention? And they likely don't need the money.

 

[IrishLax]

I was thinking more a combo of Dante Moore and Carnell Tate. Would the Manning clan even want that much attention? And they likely don't need the money.

I SAID LETS SPEAK IT INTO EXISTENCE

 

[ACamp1900]

I SAID LETS SPEAK IT INTO EXISTENCE

acamp has regular three ways with Salma Hayek and Sofia Legara!!!!!!!!

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Damnit LAX!!

 

[phillyirish]

Got me thinking, and maybe this has already been addressed:

Does scholarship count even matter anymore? I mean you still get 85 or what not, but what’s it matter to number 86 or 87 if they don’t get a scholarship but they get 500k instead?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Got me thinking, and maybe this has already been addressed:

Does scholarship count even matter anymore? I mean you still get 85 or what not, but what’s it matter to number 86 or 87 if they don’t get a scholarship but they get 500k instead?

Given the recent Supreme Court ruling it’s not clear to me the NCAA has the authority to cap the number of scholarships at all.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Got me thinking, and maybe this has already been addressed:

Does scholarship count even matter anymore? I mean you still get 85 or what not, but what’s it matter to number 86 or 87 if they don’t get a scholarship but they get 500k instead?

I was wondering this too. Like how do you even account for portal transfers in and out. Does the 25 person per year thing even matter anymore?

 

[SBirishlawyer]

I SAID LETS SPEAK IT INTO EXISTENCE

are you asking for a Tulpa?

 

[stpeteirish]

So any lawyers here? Some form of "salary cap" seems to be the solution here but when I brought it up earlier it was dismissed as a non-starter because "the courts have already ruled".

But weren't the facts different? The other case was whether or not the NCAA could stop players from getting paid, and they lost. Does that mean they cannot regulate how they are paid? It would seems to me that they can. The NFL can.

As long as they don't try to prevent "free agency" they could be able to regulate the pay structure, If a guy can move if he doesn't like his deal would it be "in restraint of trade" .Any thoughts?

i'll accept "I'm not a lawyer, but" answers as well.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

So any lawyers here? Some form of "salary cap" seems to be the solution here but when I brought it up earlier it was dismissed as a non-starter because "the courts have already ruled".

But weren't the facts different? The other case was whether or not the NCAA could stop players from getting paid, and they lost. Does that mean they cannot regulate how they are paid? It would seems to me that they can. The NFL can.

As long as they don't try to prevent "free agency" they could be able to regulate the pay structure, If a guy can move if he doesn't like his deal would it be "in restraint of trade" .Any thoughts?

i'll accept "I'm not a lawyer, but" answers as well.

The case was not about NIL. It was about whether the NCAA could regulate educational benefits (e.g. offer recruits graduate school and internships). The supreme court case didn’t create the new landscape, state legislatures did.

Salary caps are, generally, undue restraints on trade and likely to violate the Sherman Act, which is the old anti-monopoly law. Pro sports leagues can do it because the rules are agreed to by their collective bargaining with the players who are subjected to those restraints. That solution isn’t possible in college athletics because most schools are state institutions and many, if not most, states prohibit their employees from unionizing.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Listening to SZD again and it just gave me another idea of another way ND can take advantage of NIL is the athletic department is smart, though it might cost them some revenue. So the last idea SZD had was basically having NBC agree to a NIL deal with a promising recruit to do a documentary series on them, or something like that. It would be beneficial for all parties because ND would get a good recruit, the athlete would get the money, and NBC would likely get more viewers on ND games if ND was better and on the athlete's series if they were playing a key role.

Well, why not add middle men to spread it out from one athlete to several?

It seems like ND gets some commercial space for their own commercials during games. Could they negotiate for more, or use less of their own, and have that space be given to companies that work with ND athletes?

It seems like a gray area, so ND probably won't touch it with a ten foot pole, but its potentially one way we could use our independence to our advantage.

 

[Irish#1]

The case was not about NIL. It was about whether the NCAA could regulate educational benefits (e.g. offer recruits graduate school and internships). The supreme court case didn’t create the new landscape, state legislatures did.

Salary caps are, generally, undue restraints on trade and likely to violate the Sherman Act, which is the old anti-monopoly law. Pro sports leagues can do it because the rules are agreed to by their collective bargaining with the players who are subjected to those restraints. That solution isn’t possible in college athletics because most schools are state institutions and many, if not most, states prohibit their employees from unionizing.

Also because they get an exemption from congress.

 

[Irish#1]

Listening to SZD again and it just gave me another idea of another way ND can take advantage of NIL is the athletic department is smart, though it might cost them some revenue. So the last idea SZD had was basically having NBC agree to a NIL deal with a promising recruit to do a documentary series on them, or something like that. It would be beneficial for all parties because ND would get a good recruit, the athlete would get the money, and NBC would likely get more viewers on ND games if ND was better and on the athlete's series if they were playing a key role.

Well, why not add middle men to spread it out from one athlete to several?

It seems like ND gets some commercial space for their own commercials during games. Could they negotiate for more, or use less of their own, and have that space be given to companies that work with ND athletes?

It seems like a gray area, so ND probably won't touch it with a ten foot pole, but its potentially one way we could use our independence to our advantage.

I don't believe they can have an official relationship with the school which in this case NBC does in the form of the broadcast agreement.

 

[Bishop2b5]

From Saban earlier today on NIL issues:

"Name, image & likeness is a positive thing for players. They've got the opportunity to earn money. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. What is concerning is how that's used to get players to decide where they’re going to school. I don’t think that was the intention."

 

[Irishbounty28]

From Saban earlier today on NIL issues:

"Name, image & likeness is a positive thing for players. They've got the opportunity to earn money. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. What is concerning is how that's used to get players to decide where they’re going to school. I don’t think that was the intention."

I will preface what I’m about to say with, I agree with Saban. With that being said, I would imagine Saban sees how this could hurt the product he has produced over the last decade. If other schools are willing to dole out the big bucks then it will become harder for him to win the recruiting battle on a yearly basis. Saban isn’t dumb and knows the game is about players. Whoever has them wins. Texas A$M is getting under his skin a bit.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I will preface what I’m about to say with, I agree with Saban. With that being said, I would imagine Saban sees how this could hurt the product he has produced over the last decade. If other schools are willing to dole out the big bucks then it will become harder for him to win the recruiting battle on a yearly basis. Saban isn’t dumb and knows the game is about players. Whoever has them wins. Texas A$M is getting under his skin a bit.

I agree with you. You're probably correct in asserting that some of his response is calculated and self-serving. OTOH, I also think he genuinely believes that what A&M and a few others are doing is truly bad for college athletics.

 

[Ndaccountant]

In terms of Saban, well, pot meet kettle.

Saban's time at Alabama forever changed college football. We can agree that it was likely to happen in various degrees anyway, but the veracity and magnitude of the change is, IMO, a direct result of Saban and how he changed how programs operate.

When Saban got to Bama, within 5 or so years, the spend on coaches at Bama nearly doubled, recruiting budgets were up 3-4X, the non-coaching football staff ballooned, etc. Essentially, he took the NFL infrastructure and brought it to CFB. It was legal, no doubt. But he was the first to do it to that degree and it created an advantage. Seemingly ever since, as he continues to push that envelope more and more, all programs around the country have tried to emulate that. He paved the way for the palaces that are now "locker rooms", the constant thirst for "facility upgrades", etc. He laid the foundation for the very outrageous contracts that were paid out this past coaching cycle.

So now it's the players turn to cash in just the like the coaches, just like the AD's, just like the school presidents. With it, the competitive advantage he has built within the rules provided is eroding slowly, like a beach castle with the tide coming in. He is no longer ahead of the curve and I think he knows it. But his stance on "good of the game" is laughable considering the momentum he has single handily created in changing the game. Because that, IMO, was just as bad for the game as NIL. It's just one dealt with players while the other dealt with football office salaries and operations. One he can control, the other he can't. So he can spare me the bullshit.

 

[Dale]

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Local Louisiana personal injury attorney. Boutte not only player getting NIL deal from him. Openly advertising and making a tagline out of he’s paying them to stay at ( and probably go to in the future) LSU.

 

[Irish#1]

I remember when attorney's were first allowed to advertise. Except for the ambulance chasers, most stayed away and still do. The PI attorney's aren't shy about advertising on TV or billboards.

 

[NDdomer2]

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I remember when attorney's were first allowed to advertise. Except for the ambulance chasers, most stayed away and still do. The PI attorney's aren't shy about advertising on TV or billboards.

It is a very different business model.

 

[IrishLax]

My insights on NIL is ND needs to do more. Some schools actually lead with it. I'm not saying that ND should do that--actually, I think it's against the "rules"--but, given the resources of the University and its alumni, there is alot more that can be done as far as NIL goes.

Speaking of, I think there's a good opportunity a brand like Mission BBQ...but our phones have been silent

Sad, but expected.