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[NDdomer2]

Sad, but expected.

Merriweather into transfer portal after frosh year, confirmed.

 

[arrowryan]

Sad, but expected.

They’ll figure it out. Just blatantly throwing money, buying players like A&M isn’t the way to do it.

 

[T-Boone]

They’ll figure it out. Just blatantly throwing money, buying players like A&M isn’t the way to do it.

Can't ND and other schools who are above that demand some kind of action out of the NCAA?
I think it is weak to sit back and say "we are too holy to do this but also we are going to sit back and let it happen".

 

[Dale]

Can't ND and other schools who are above that demand some kind of action out of the NCAA?
I think it is weak to sit back and say "we are too holy to do this but also we are going to sit back and let it happen".

How many years were ND and other schools proponents of NIL? They can’t, especially publicly, now go against it. Even if they did through the NCAA? Check back in a few years, or decades.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Can't ND and other schools who are above that demand some kind of action out of the NCAA?
I think it is weak to sit back and say "we are too holy to do this but also we are going to sit back and let it happen".

Not really. The NCAA recently got slapped by the Supreme Court, so it no longer has confidence in its authority to enforce the traditional restrictions related to amateurism. Unless ND can rally a bunch of support from other influential member schools that are willing to pick a nasty fight over this now, nothing is going to happen. Seems like most of the relevant actors have given up on accomplishing anything through the NCAA, and are looking forward to forming a different governing body in 3-5 years. Until that happens, buckle up.

 

[NDPhilly]

Think teams built like A&M are going to very prone to mid-season implosions in the future. We will see.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Not really. The NCAA recently got slapped by the Supreme Court, so it no longer has confidence in its authority to enforce the traditional restrictions related to amateurism. Unless ND can rally a bunch of support from other influential member schools that are willing to pick a nasty fight over this now, nothing is going to happen. Seems like most of the relevant actors have given up on accomplishing anything through the NCAA, and are looking forward to forming a different governing body in 3-5 years. Until that happens, buckle up.

This whole thing reminds me of Blue Chips, just with a different spin.

Control of the roster is the most sacred thing in college athletics and it has been ceded to rich boosters. At some point, these boosters will be even more empowered and the schools / coaches will be forced to act. We all know boosters sway AD's. But it's not hard to fathom a butthurt booster getting pissed at a coach / AD / anyone affiliated with the school and threatening to dissolve a NIL deal to wield control. On the other hand, what happens with 5* Johnny when he produces like a 3* and the rich booster turns their eye towards the 17 year old with sick hudl highlights and impressive workout videos? It's going to happen and A&M is likely the ultimate petri dish.

In the end, I suspect this will force the hand of some sort of formal contractual relationship with the schools and some sort of "salary cap". We keep mentioning that NCAA football is now closer than ever to being a minor league NFL. Well, I think the next great leap is becoming employees and it's likely not going to be long until it happens.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

In the end, I suspect this will force the hand of some sort of formal contractual relationship with the schools and some sort of "salary cap". We keep mentioning that NCAA football is now closer than ever to being a minor league NFL. Well, I think the next great leap is becoming employees and it's likely not going to be long until it happens.

ND's not gonna go there. For all our sakes, I hope we get something like a centralized clearinghouse for NLI deals under the new governing body instead of that. Very few players can demand real NLI money on the open market. It'd be a shame to blow up over a century of tradition just so some f*cking car dealers in Texas can better spend their cash on their favorite pastime with impunity.

 

[IrishLax]

Can't ND and other schools who are above that demand some kind of action out of the NCAA?
I think it is weak to sit back and say "we are too holy to do this but also we are going to sit back and let it happen".

It takes time and likely federal legislation. Won’t be done by next year, or likely a couple years.

 

[Ndaccountant]

ND's not gonna go there. For all our sakes, I hope we get something like a centralized clearinghouse for NLI deals under the new governing body instead of that. Very few players can demand real NLI money on the open market. It'd be a shame to blow up over a century of tradition just so some f*cking car dealers in Texas can better spend their cash on their favorite pastime with impunity.

The shifting tide has put ND in a really uncomfortable spot. If the Big 10 capitulates......

 

[DONTH8]

I feel like there should be a rule that involves boosters of the university being unable to create NIL deals with athletes of the school they pay money to. Either they stop paying the school, and continue paying the athletes. Or vice versa. But I would draw a line there before the horror scenarios start happening.

 

[GATTACA!]

They’ll figure it out. Just blatantly throwing money, buying players like A&M isn’t the way to do it.

Disagree

 

[ulukinatme]

Didn't LAX or somebody in the know say that Hamilton pulled in 6 figures this year for his 8 games? Sounds like we already have some NIL skin in the game.

 

[Irish#1]

Didn't LAX or somebody in the know say that Hamilton pulled in 6 figures this year for his 8 games? Sounds like we already have some NIL skin in the game.

Given his notoriety and projected draft position, I wouldn't be surprised if whomever it was reached out to KH directly. Seems it was done pretty quickly and we all know the wheels at ND turn very slowly.

 

[Irish#1]

Can't ND and other schools who are above that demand some kind of action out of the NCAA?
I think it is weak to sit back and say "we are too holy to do this but also we are going to sit back and let it happen".

NIL deals are personal contracts and outside of the school, so the NCAA doesn't have much leverage if any at all. Having said that, it is playing football for that school that is making the NIL opportunity available, so there might be something there? Too deep into the legal labyrinth for my brain. Maybe Whiskey has some thoughts?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Can't ND and other schools who are above that demand some kind of action out of the NCAA?
I think it is weak to sit back and say "we are too holy to do this but also we are going to sit back and let it happen".

https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...ikeness-laws-notre-dame-purdue-iu/7598879002/

Indiana is basically doing nothing intentionally. States that have passed legislation all have the same general template that allows 3rd party people to pay kids for whatever and the legislation hinges upon the kid self reporting deals to the school and the school self reporting to NCAA which has no effective policing capabilities. ND being a private school could literally do whatever it wants at this point.

 

[irishog77]

The big story this morning regarding the ncaa involves transgender competition is sports. People were anxiously awaiting their decision. What was the big, bad ncaa's finding? That they would do nothing, and allow each sport to determine their policies...based on other ruling body's decisions.

As we have been saying for years, the ncaa is a total joke. They are a living, breathing personification of useless, corrupt bureaucrats charged with managing their partners interests, yet are only focused on their own personal well-being. Expecting the ncaa to do anything of any substance regarding NIL is dumb.

The ncaa is well within the realm of fifa, ioc, un, etc., etc. They only crave their own power and money, and are impotent to institute any meaningful action.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

The big story this morning regarding the ncaa involves transgender competition is sports. People were anxiously awaiting their decision. What was the big, bad ncaa's finding? That they would do nothing, and allow each sport to determine their policies...based on other ruling body's decisions.

As we have been saying for years, the ncaa is a total joke. They are a living, breathing personification of useless, corrupt bureaucrats charged with managing their partners interests, yet are only focused on their own personal well-being. Expecting the ncaa to do anything of any substance regarding NIL is dumb.

The ncaa is well within the realm of fifa, ioc, un, etc., etc. They only crave their own power and money, and are impotent to institute any meaningful action.

OK, but this is the only thing the NCAA could ever be. The NCAA is the schools and their interests are too divergent to expect them to provide any sort of mandate.

NIL change is only coming via legislation or subdividing the FBS.

 

[irishog77]

OK, but this is the only thing the NCAA could ever be. The NCAA is the schools and their interests are too divergent to expect them to provide any sort of mandate.

NIL change is only coming via legislation or subdividing the FBS.

I disagree. The ncaa could definitely be more.

If a governing body can't actually provide governance, then it truly is useless. There's no need for anybody to be a member, nor seek their guidance, and in turn, adhere to anything they say.

 

[ACamp1900]

I can't be the only one thinking all this NIL stuff will negate any 'recruiting bulldog' that Freeman was supposed to bring to the table... couldn't have been more poorly timed from that aspect... or am I off base??

 

[Armyirish47]

I can't be the only one thinking all this NIL stuff will negate any 'recruiting bulldog' that Freeman was supposed to bring to the table... couldn't have been more poorly timed from that aspect... or am I off base??

I think the NIL will be eye popping for a year or two but it will calm down once the newness wears off. Right now it seems totally reasonable to drop 30 milly on a recruiting class but that won't be sustainable for the boosters or for the players/coaches in that program. Big time players will get big time money where they get the most exposure, which will still be ND, and then it will boil back down to sustainable relationships for most players.

 

[Irish#1]

I think the NIL will be eye popping for a year or two but it will calm down once the newness wears off. Right now it seems totally reasonable to drop 30 milly on a recruiting class but that won't be sustainable for the boosters or for the players/coaches in that program. Big time players will get big time money where they get the most exposure, which will still be ND, and then it will boil back down to sustainable relationships for most players.

I think you're right. Some are going to rush in and start throwing the money out there,

Once they get some marketing data that shows their ROI isn't worth it, they'll cool their jets. There will be exceptions where the oil baron has so much money he doesn't care, but for some like car dealers they might take a step back.

 

[Irish#1]

The big story this morning regarding the ncaa involves transgender competition is sports. People were anxiously awaiting their decision. What was the big, bad ncaa's finding? That they would do nothing, and allow each sport to determine their policies...based on other ruling body's decisions.

As we have been saying for years, the ncaa is a total joke. They are a living, breathing personification of useless, corrupt bureaucrats charged with managing their partners interests, yet are only focused on their own personal well-being. Expecting the ncaa to do anything of any substance regarding NIL is dumb.

The ncaa is well within the realm of fifa, ioc, un, etc., etc. They only crave their own power and money, and are impotent to institute any meaningful action.

They covered their bases to keep the lawsuits away. It goes by the national governing body policy. If there isn't one then it goes to the national Olympic body, then the international governing body, then the Olympic body if there isn't an international governing body.

 

[317Irish]

I can't be the only one thinking all this NIL stuff will negate any 'recruiting bulldog' that Freeman was supposed to bring to the table... couldn't have been more poorly timed from that aspect... or am I off base??

I absolutely agree and think I have mentioned it previously. Unless ND makes changes to at least be in the vicinity of what other schools are offering, then it will wash out any uptick in recruiting that MF2 and his new staff would otherwise be able to offer. I don’t want ND to sell out, but I sure don’t want them to think they are noble and superior by not allowing the players to earn a fraction of the money that they are helping ND make off of them…

 

[ulukinatme]

The big story this morning regarding the ncaa involves transgender competition is sports. People were anxiously awaiting their decision. What was the big, bad ncaa's finding? That they would do nothing, and allow each sport to determine their policies...based on other ruling body's decisions.

As we have been saying for years, the ncaa is a total joke. They are a living, breathing personification of useless, corrupt bureaucrats charged with managing their partners interests, yet are only focused on their own personal well-being. Expecting the ncaa to do anything of any substance regarding NIL is dumb.

The ncaa is well within the realm of fifa, ioc, un, etc., etc. They only crave their own power and money, and are impotent to institute any meaningful action.

Been done with the NCAA after we lost those wins and they wouldn't accept our appeal. How we managed to self report that one and take it on the chin is still beyond me...and then schools like Miami, North Carolina, and frickin' Penn State wound up with a slap on the wrist is the icing on the cake. That Penn State one will sting, the hypocrisy is just absurd. They must have done some kinda deal under the table with the NCAA to get those wins reinstated and reduce their penalty for the post season. NCAA needs blown up and a new governing body instated.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Just listening to the latest ISD podcast and Mike mentioned something about NIL. Sounds like we have something brewing to compete with some of the other NIL programs and it doesn't involve the school.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Just listening to the latest ISD podcast and Mike mentioned something about NIL. Sounds like we have something brewing to compete with some of the other NIL programs and it doesn't involve the school.

I was about to come on and post the same thing.

That's very promising. I can't imagine it's something like what A&M is doing, but it sounds like the the alum base is picking things up and putting ND in position to weather this NIL storm.

 

[Free Manera]

Haha I sought out this thread to post about the ISD pod too. Bumping it. Anyone got info on this?

 

[FWIrish4]

You guys made too many vbuck jokes and now Lax is withholding insider alum info

 

[Irish#1]

They didn't like our IE Go Fund Me page?