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Andy Heck (Jacksonville Jaguars) & Erik Campbell (Iowa WR Coach) are names being tossed around by the II guys (Prister)

Heck is an OL coach for Jax. Campbell also has experience coaching punt returners (coached it at Michigan, his alma mater, and at Iowa where he tutored Steve Breaston who became the Big 10's all-time punt return leader). Fixing the punt return game is a big issue for me going into the 2012 season.
 

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Surprised by the supposed remarks about Hinton and Warinner. O line play was drastically improved (although not perfect) and Hinton did well with Jonas and Cierre.

I thought both were recruiting well for ND, too. Hinton especially stood out to me as a guy who loved being at ND and loved selling ND to hs recruits.

Urban is putting together one hell of a staff in Columbus. I hope Kelly gets himself two solid replacements and quick.

Lots of things happen behind the scenes on a football team, in a business organization, or in a marriage that only the prinicpals see. When there's a parting there's usually the company line canned response and what actually happened. We don't know the behind the hidden issues we can only guess.

The running attack was improved but without Jonas left much to be desired. People comment appropriately on Rees performance against top defenses. Check the rushing game against those same defenses. Wood had a high rate of lost yardage plays. How many times did people comment throughout the season about his dancing at the hole instead of hitting it? It may have been the player's indecision, but did the RB Coach work through that problem? On the other hand Hinton had been with Kelly for half a dozen years. Chemistry issues shouldn't be an issue by then.

Was Molnar enevitable to move on or was he held accountable for the lack of improvement by the QBs - across the board. Fans like to pin Kelly to Rees's tail but it's the position coach who tells the OC or DC who's ready to play. The coordinator than picks his personnel groupings. HC always has the oppostiont to override but you pay your coordinators to make the basic decisions. Did Kelly override Molnar with Rees or did QB Coach Molnar say, Tommy was the only one "ready"? Did OC Molnar pick Rees or did Kelly force Tommy on him? Actually I'm skipping the first guy, Crist. After a Spring and Fall camp Kelly claimed Dayne and Tommy were in a dead heat to the amazement of many? Did Molnar as QB coach have Dayne ready. With his arm, size, experience, he should have been head and shoulders above the others. He was but only standing up. On the field he still struggled with indecision, errant throws, etc. The same shortcomings he had a year earlier. Perhaps it was all between his ears but his position coach is supposed to work through those things are get the next guy ready. We can argue specifics about Crist or Rees ad nauseum but neither's shortcomings were overcome under this QB Coach. Hendrix wasn't ready. Again, his fault or the position coach's? Molnar gets a pass on Golson due to size, academics, and true freshman.

I thought the only vastly improved. Best since Rosenthal and Company, still not up to the Aaron Taylor era. Cave was sorely missed when he went down - inijuries aren't the Position Coaches responsibility. Golic got abused in the last two games of the season but I thought he did pretty well against FSU. I haven't rewatched the game to confirm that but don't recall ND getting abused up the middle like the Stanford game. I liked Warinner from what I saw from my TV but as the Running Game OC was Wood's shortcomings helped or hindered by Warinner's Rushing Game Plan. Did Warinner and Molnar conflict or mesh? Regardless I suspect when Molnar left, Warinner started packing up his stuff to move into Molnar's office. When Chuck Martin got the OC nod, I expected Warinner took his pack things home and started dialing. He had already been a successful OC. Getting passed over I suspect didn't sit well with him. Probably an unfortunate consequence but something Kelly would have to very foolish not to have considered. For reasons not obvious to me Kelly chose Martin. My only assumption is he wants a clone of the Grand Valley attack.

The '12 team needs a solid secondary coach to get the current players ready and the new talent integrated into a cohesive unit. Was Martin to OC the real goal or a move to get him out of the Secondary? I don't know.

As for the comments about Booker "working with offensive coaches" as qualifying him I was going to post Beau that riding on a school bus for 4 years wouldn't qualify you to drive one. Neither can you teach chemistry or algebra to a class of 30 high school students just because you had the class. NDinL.A. and the other teachers on this board had to learn more than just their subject matter to become effective teachers. ND needs effective teachers from Day 1 not just an energetic young guy that stays up nights reading the next chapter before the class does. SoCalDomer gave a solid example with Charlie Jr., I'll go on the professional level and compare Polian as a Special Teams Discordinator under Weis to where he is today at Stanford - several years later. Meyer wasn't ready for Florida or Utah when he went to Bowling Green. On The Job Training has no place at ND at the head coach level or assistant coach level. The schedule ND's plays is too tough to accomodate training coaches to coach while winning games.

One thing I can say in Booker's behave is he has coached as an assistant at Kent and WKU although I'm not ispired by either stint.

ND has a major need for superior coaching at QB, WR, LB, and DB. And if we want to keep those OLs,WRs, and DBs in this class and add someone LIKE a Garnett, a Agholor, or anyone else (insert your 4 or 5 Star of choice) who can play on Sunday there better be a coach able to coach them up to the next level not learning along with them.

As for schedule of hires, some relevant dates:

January 8-11, American Football Coaches Association Convention (THE Meat Market for hiring)

Feb 2 National Signing Day

Feb 5 Super Bowl (probably more the playoff losers more significant than the SB contenders)



The AFCA Convention is the more likely the source and window of opportunity. It allows the current recruits to eyeball an hire made there. Kelly could hire from the pros but as his OC and DC are filled I don't think it's as likely to hire a pro to become a position coach.
 

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I think shaking the tree a little from time to time can be healthy.

Our offense struggled this year. We had some big games but against who? Yea our running game improved which goes along with the improved line play but in my opinion the only way to go for those was up. Our o-line struggled against the better teams (I haven't forgotten Braxton's injury) I also take into account the o-line was a pretty mature line which is a big help in improving performance.

Our offense was our weakest link (it ain't all Tommy) and I found it frustrating to watch. Bring in some new, Kelly is not sitting pat and I like it.

Hope the recruits see it too.
 

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Andy Heck (Jacksonville Jaguars) & Erik Campbell (Iowa WR Coach) are names being tossed around by the II guys (Prister)

Heck being mentioned gets me pumped. ND ties, NFL experience.

Campbell...meh.

Of course we rarely know how these guys will actually turn out. Could be home runs...could be whiffs.

The news about Hinton, Warriner, and Molnar from earlier today makes me think BK has at least been pondering replacing them for a bit and kept a little bit of an eye out for possible replacements for a while.
 

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Andy Heck sounds intriguing. I always like when former stars come back. Do you really think we could take him away from the Jaguars though?
 

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Andy Heck sounds intriguing. I always like when former stars come back. Do you really think we could take him away from the Jaguars though?

jaguars are getting a new head coach and who knows if he gets invited back.

i like the idea of bringing in a ND guy.
 

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Andy Heck sounds intriguing. I always like when former stars come back. Do you really think we could take him away from the Jaguars though?

The Jags fired their head coach during the season and are currently looking for a replacement. O-line coaches sometimes can survive coaching staff turnover, but it is certainly possible that Heck won't be brought back, depending on who is hired to replace Del Rio. If he is at all concerned about that, he may be more willing to listen to other offers, especially from his alma mater and especially if ND steps up and pays him like he probably deserves.

Bringing in a guy like Heck, who has done it at the next level as a player and a coach, would go a long way towards giving our OL recruits some piece of mind that they will be in good hands.
 

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Hinton & Warinner were not offered contract extensions, that is correct. Warinner left after Martin got the OC job. Molnar was asked to pursue other options.

I remain puzzled, then, as to why Kelly just last week announced that his whole coaching staff would remain intact. Just not adding up to me. :confused:
 

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Don't you think that you have to maintain the whole "status quo" thing going into a bowl, recruiting dead period, and before official announcements?
 

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Don't you think that you have to maintain the whole "status quo" thing going into a bowl, recruiting dead period, and before official announcements?

Yeah, I think you do. I just felt like the question he was asked was more innocuous than the extent to which he answered it. I hadn’t thought about the impending dead period, though, which is a really good point.
 

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No problem. I appreciate the conversation and learning from others' points of view.
 

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Sorry if I came off like a dbag there, wasn't intentional

I would also like to apologize for any d-bagness on my part. I guess if I'm being honest mine was slightly intentional, but it wasn't personal. Just seemed like an obvious situation where, whatever his motives, BK was not being totally forthcoming about the situation with the media, as coaches are wont to do.
 

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Lots of brotherly love on the board tonight. I love it. haha

Let's hope that everything was for the better as far as these coaching changes are concerned.
 

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It won't happen but it would be great if ND got Trooper Taylor from Auburn on this staff, guy is a great coach and one of the best recruiters in the business.
 

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Everyone should now gang up on Beau and neg-rep him into the red zone. That'll teach him to think that Terry and Rhode are getting soft.
 

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It won't happen but it would be great if ND got Trooper Taylor from Auburn on this staff, guy is a great coach and one of the best recruiters in the business.

are you serious??? The guys the definition of shady!
from another board:

Taken from another board...

The same strategies Bobby Lowder used to build his banking empire were used to build what he hoped would be a football empire at Auburn. We've all heard whispers of gangs, street agents, 7 on 7 camps, & ineligible players. We've seen the most bizarre National Signing Day in the history of the sport. We've heard of the NCAA going into Louisiana, Arkansas, & now South Florida. The NCAA's latest stop may reveal the blueprint they've been using.

Just like organized crime has a longstanding relationship with gangs, Lowder implemented this same business model in 'his' football program. Enter Trooper Taylor, a controversial and polarizing assistant coach. While some see him as a savior, most recognize him as a buffoon, which admittedly depends on which team you cheer for. Taylor is very tied in with the gangs found in the same inner cities where he has had so much success recruiting. Look at Trooper's body of work. How many of his recruits have found themselves 'staring down the barrel of a gun', a police officer's gun, that is? Trooper Taylor fit into Lowder's plan perfectly.

Let's take a little trip to South Florida. Enter Antron Wright, the man many south Florida recruits claimed led them to University High, a controversial and polarizing correspondence school, and could quite possibly be the nations first well-known example of a street agent with ties to college football. While we have been led to believe that the emergence of street agents is a relatively new problem for Division I Compliance, Mr. Wright shows us he pioneered the idea. Wright has been using his 7 on 7 camps as a way to steer players to the network of coaches he has acquired. The concept behind these camps is really quite brilliant. The coaches, athletic departments, & boosters pay these agents who, in turn, funnel the money to the player & his family. This intricate pay 4 play model allows the agent to literally be the money launderer. Just another Mafia style transaction often implemented by these dirty programs.

One reason Wright is a favorite with dirty coaches like Trooper Taylor is because he will do whatever it takes to deliver these 4 and 5 star recruits. Wright is known to seek out recruits with exceptional athletic abilities but lack the grades to qualify for the D1 schools standing in line for them. A few years ago, he discovered University High, a "diploma factory" that had no classes and no educational accreditation, and appeared to have offered the players little more than a speedy academic makeover. Here is a link that explains this operation in great detail:

Poor Grades Aside, Athletes Get Into College on a $399 Diploma - New York Times

Wright and Taylor have had a friendship dating back to his time at Tennessee. Taylor has publicly acknowledged being friends with Wright, as seen in this article published in 2005:

Vols' Taylor denies contact was recruiting 'street agent' » govolsxtra.com Mobile

While Taylor was an assistant coach there, Demetrice Morley was heavily recruited. Morley was a by product of University High that was allowed a D1 scholarship based on a GPA jump which was due to a NCAA loophole. The center of this was the scandal at University High. On January 14th, 2007, it was reported that he was no longer enrolled at Tennessee. According to several of Morley's teachers he had the potential to succeed in school and become a professional athlete but his shortcuts obtained by using University High prevented this from happening.

Wright's business model was quite simple. He would go in and find kids that were having trouble qualifying academically and lure them to University High. For $399, they could obtain a diploma and qualify academically to play on the D1 level.... As long as they were enrolled in his school. Morley was just one of many kids who fell victim to Wright. Another NY Times article revealed this back in 2007.

Tennessee Says Top Defender Is No Longer Enrolled - New York Times


Fast forward to the present. Wright has found another school similar to University High. Choice Preparatory Academy has helped a number of recruits including Corey Lemonier, Robenson Therezie, Mike Blakely, & Ricardo Louis. However, Choice Prep's business model is somewhat different. It is set up as a correspondence school that these recruits sign up for to boost their gpa's. But what makes it so genius is that the grades are then transferred back to their original high school so they graduate from there. That ensures that no red flags are shown regarding Choice Prep.

While enrolled at Choice Prep, These recruits also take part in his 7 on 7 camps which is how he connects them with Trooper. According to a very recent article from the Sun Sentinel, the NCAA investigation has moved to South Florida. It appears that every recruit out of this area from 2010 to 2012 just so happens to be listed at TOS as a recruit of Trooper.

Starting to make sense yet? There is no way we could know what exactly the NCAA is investigating down there.... But let's speculate for a moment. They are looking into recruiting and Auburn is one of the schools listed. Their players & recruits lead you to discover Choice Prep. Choice Prep leads you to Wright. Wright leads you to 7 on 7 camps. His 7 on 7 camps lead you to Trooper Taylor. If you delete South Florida and Antron Wright's names and insert Lousiana And Sean Nelson, you will uncover what the NCAA already has. And you can play this game with Arkansas and Walt Williams, as well. The NCAA already has.......
 

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Trooper Taylor is not something ND wants near the program.

Harrell is making a pitch to Sam Pittman of UNC.

He's the current OL coach.

Coaching Experience:
1984-85, Pittsburg State (student coach)
1986 Beggs (Okla.) High School (assistant coach)
1987-88 Princeton (Mo.) High School (head coach)
1989-90 Trenton (Mo.) High School (head coach)
1991, Hutchinson (Kan.) Community College (assistant coach/offensive line)
1992-93, Hutchinson (Kan.) Community College (head coach)
1994-95, Northern Illinois (assistant coach/offensive line)
1996, Cincinnati (assistant coach/offensive tackles/tight ends)
1997-98, Oklahoma (assistant coach/offensive line)
1999, Western Michigan (assistant coach/offensive line)
2000, Missouri (assistant coach/offensive line)
2001, Kansas (assistant coach/offensive line)
2003, Northern Illinois (assistant coach/offensive line)
2004-06, Northern Illinois (assistant head coach/offensive line)
2007-present, North Carolina (assistant coach/associate head coach/offensive line)
 

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LOL Trooper Taylor? Might as well give Tressel a call and see what Nevin Shapiro is up to. Butch Davis can join the compliance staff.
 

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I pray to God Kelly makes the most of these hires.
 

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I pray to God Kelly makes the most of these hires.

There seems to be a lot of this going on.....I'm anxious, yet very reserved, as I still don't get some of theese changes.
 

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Quick Question...

After Molinar left didn't BK state that the coaching situation would be settled by 1/4?
 
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