Coaching Carousel

[SoIll]

Florida State should go all in for Lane Kiffin in the slightest chance that USC have interest in him. WTF do they have to lose? Pay the buyout and get on with it.

FSU is broke.... They aren't getting who the want, nor letting Cornrow Mike go.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

FSU is broke.... They aren't getting who the want, nor letting Cornrow Mike go.

On top of that, they had a breakdown with Jimbo Fisher, fired Taggart after less than two years and would (theoretically) be firing Norvell after two years. That's how you turn yourselves into Tennessee.

 

[Armyirish47]

Florida State should go all in for Lane Kiffin in the slightest chance that USC have interest in him. WTF do they have to lose? Pay the buyout and get on with it.

Shoot, that Ole Miss gig is pretty sweet right now. No way I would leave for FSU if I was him.

 

[ulukinatme]

FSU is broke.... They aren't getting who the want, nor letting Cornrow Mike go.

I could see FSU giving Deion Sanders a few years at Jackson State and bringing him home if he does okay. At the very least he would bring money in short term.

 

[Ndaccountant]

FSU is broke.... They aren't getting who the want, nor letting Cornrow Mike go.

I forgot about the cornrows....thanks for making my day.

 

[stpeteirish]

FSU is still paying Taggert. Word is they can't afford another buyout as that would mean adding a 3rd coach to the payroll. So Norvell gets another year (2022) to turn it around. He's recruiting well and is working his ass off. I wouldn't write him off. Yet

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

FSU is still paying Taggert. Word is they can't afford another buyout as that would mean adding a 3rd coach to the payroll. So Norvell gets another year (2022) to turn it around. He's recruiting well and is working his ass off. I wouldn't write him off. Yet

Idk if there's a single coach in the nation, even Saban, that could turn around that dumpster fire in one year.

I think it's only fair to give a coach, at minimum, three years to show signs of improvement. Imagine if we got rid of CBK after his second year...there was certainly enough cause to do so. A couple of off-field tragedies, and losing to Tulsa and USF at home...yikes.

I think FSU fans and that administration need to take a step back and realize how bad things have gotten the past 6-7 years and realize that hitting the reset button every two years isn't going to fix it. They need to be patient. Cooler heads prevail.

 

[Rogue219]

So are they broke or in debt?

 

[Wild Bill]

Taggart somehow landed the Oregon job and then the FSU job with one ten win season at South Florida.

Really impressive stuff.

 

[DONTH8]

Taggart somehow landed the Oregon job and then the FSU job with one ten win season at South Florida.

Really impressive stuff.

What if I told you there was a man who leveraged 2 great seasons at one school, but a losing record overall, and got paid by two schools to not work for them.

 

[Rogue219]

Taggart somehow landed the Oregon job and then the FSU job with one ten win season at South Florida.

Really impressive stuff.

To be fair, his four years at USF showed actual progression. 2-4-8-10 were his win totals in order.

He's a Florida guy and FSU was supposedly his dream job. He was given 21 games. Didn't even get a full second season and they canned him. That's on them.

At 45 years old, there is a chance if he succeeds at FAU maybe he gets another shot at a Power Five job, but I seriously doubt that for a number of reasons. FAU is actually a pretty good gig if you can keep it. He's also in a conference now where a lot of the guys there are rising stars who won't be around long: Healy, Huff, Littrell, Hall, Clark are all guys with the potential to move on to bigger things. He could stay there and be perfectly fine.

I'm more interested in how if FSU is broke that they're able to pay all these coaches. I get not wanting to take on another buyout if that's the case, but broke means busted and you can't pay anybody let alone multiple people.

 

[Rogue219]

Shoot, that Ole Miss gig is pretty sweet right now. No way I would leave for FSU if I was him.

It's a sweet gig because of him. The last coach to have a winning record there was David Cutcliffe, who they fired in 2004. He was set to be Charlie Weis' OC and stepped aside before ever coaching a game due to health issues. Legit ones.

Cutcliffe got canned for the only losing season he had. Nice.

Florida State is the better job with better resources. Kiffin could have that up and running in no time with the way he recruits and builds a staff. He recruited Florida for SC and was just at FAU.

 

[Wild Bill]

To be fair, his four years at USF showed actual progression. 2-4-8-10 were his win totals in order.

He's a Florida guy and FSU was supposedly his dream job. He was given 21 games. Didn't even get a full second season and they canned him. That's on them.

At 45 years old, there is a chance if he succeeds at FAU maybe he gets another shot at a Power Five job, but I seriously doubt that for a number of reasons. FAU is actually a pretty good gig if you can keep it. He's also in a conference now where a lot of the guys there are rising stars who won't be around long: Healy, Huff, Littrell, Hall, Clark are all guys with the potential to move on to bigger things. He could stay there and be perfectly fine.

I'm more interested in how if FSU is broke that they're able to pay all these coaches. I get not wanting to take on another buyout if that's the case, but broke means busted and you can't pay anybody let alone multiple people.

I'm piling on him a bit. He did get SF moving in the right direction but he landed TWO high level jobs with one ten win season on his resume. Imagine if ND hired a guy with this resume to replace Kelly. We would lose our minds.

I guess they have a budget no different than most people not named Mrs. Wild Bill. I'm sure they could find a booster to pay the bill if they were able to hire a sure thing. Gotta be tough to convince the money guys to pay the bill again if the plan is to interview a few mid major success stories.

 

[Rogue219]

I'm piling on him a bit. He did get SF moving in the right direction but he landed TWO high level jobs with one ten win season on his resume. Imagine if ND hired a guy with this resume to replace Kelly. We would lose our minds.

I guess they have a budget no different than most people not named Mrs. Wild Bill. I'm sure they could find a booster to pay the bill if they were able to hire a sure thing. Gotta be tough to convince the money guys to pay the bill again if the plan is to interview a few mid major success stories.

ND hired Bob Davie once. I'm always prepared for anything.

I think we can find other examples of guys who were one hit wonders that clicked when the time was right to land a job that might have been over their head. PJ Fleck, for example, went on a win trajectory of 1-8-8-13 before the age of 35 at a MAC school and parlayed that last season to the Minnesota job. Mario Cristobal got the Oregon job because the players liked him. He was 27-47 at FIU. Matt Campbell has never won more than 9 games in a season at either Toledo or Iowa State, and he's supposedly the bee's knees. I think he's Bill Snyder. Nobody is ever going to win at Iowa State and he probably can't win anywhere else BUT Iowa State. Minnesota is as good as Fleck is going to do, and vice versa.

Taggart got 21 games and was fired at 4-5. Maybe there were some things going on behind the curtain where this decision was necessary, but I think it was a knee jerk reaction and now they're up the creek for it. The Tennessee analogy was excellent.

 

[Wild Bill]

ND hired Bob Davie once. I'm always prepared for anything.

I think we can find other examples of guys who were one hit wonders that clicked when the time was right to land a job that might have been over their head. PJ Fleck, for example, went on a win trajectory of 1-8-8-13 before the age of 35 at a MAC school and parlayed that last season to the Minnesota job. Mario Cristobal got the Oregon job because the players liked him. He was 27-47 at FIU. Matt Campbell has never won more than 9 games in a season at either Toledo or Iowa State, and he's supposedly the bee's knees. I think he's Bill Snyder. Nobody is ever going to win at Iowa State and he probably can't win anywhere else BUT Iowa State. Minnesota is as good as Fleck is going to do, and vice versa.

Taggart got 21 games and was fired at 4-5. Maybe there were some things going on behind the curtain where this decision was necessary, but I think it was a knee jerk reaction and now they're up the creek for it. The Tennessee analogy was excellent.

Allegedly he was fired b/c boosters refused to donate, buy luxury suites, tix, etc. Basically they were losing their ass and fired him to appease donors. Who the hell knows, though.

 

[Rogue219]

Allegedly he was fired b/c boosters refused to donate, buy luxury suites, tix, etc. Basically they were losing their ass and fired him to appease donors. Who the hell knows, though.

Is it a safe bet these same donors are equally or more pissed now than they were then? 0-4 for the first time since 1976 I believe.

 

[Wild Bill]

Is it a safe bet these same donors are equally or more pissed now than they were then? 0-4 for the first time since 1976 I believe.

Who knows. Maybe Taggart was more open to telling them to piss off and Norvell is catering to them/kissing ass to buy time.

I think there's a real chance they pull the plug on Norvell this year. How the hell do you go 1-11 at FSU given the competiton in the ACC right now? How many winnable games do they have left on the schedule? They've got Cuse, @UNC, UMASS, @Clemson, NC State, Miami, @BC, and @Florida left on the schedule. At BEST, I think they could win half of the remaining games. GIven what I've seen thus far, I think they win one or two.

 

[Armyirish47]

It's a sweet gig because of him. The last coach to have a winning record there was David Cutcliffe, who they fired in 2004. He was set to be Charlie Weis' OC and stepped aside before ever coaching a game due to health issues. Legit ones.

Cutcliffe got canned for the only losing season he had. Nice.

Florida State is the better job with better resources. Kiffin could have that up and running in no time with the way he recruits and builds a staff. He recruited Florida for SC and was just at FAU.

Thus the right now part. And also....not so fast my friend!

Cutcliffe got canned because he forgot that he had to recruit after Eli was set to graduate and the program predictably cratered.

You could also say he only had one good season with an all timer of a QB. Nice.

Hugh Freeze had a winning record there too*.

Ole Miss has a better stadium and facilities, more reasonable fans (see also, Grove, The), a better conference, an excellent recruiting footprint, and meanwhile they are paying top 15ish coaching money while he has fewer wins in his first two years than Houston Nutt did so far. Leave that for a broke tire fire in Tallahassee? Gross.

Boom roasted.

 

[ulukinatme]

What if I told you there was a man who leveraged 2 great seasons at one school, but a losing record overall, and got paid by two schools to not work for them.

 

[Irishize]

Thus the right now part. And also....not so fast my friend!

Cutcliffe got canned because he forgot that he had to recruit after Eli was set to graduate and the program predictably cratered.

You could also say he only had one good season with an all timer of a QB. Nice.

Hugh Freeze had a winning record there too*.

Ole Miss has a better stadium and facilities, more reasonable fans (see also, Grove, The), a better conference, an excellent recruiting footprint, and meanwhile they are paying top 15ish coaching money while he has fewer wins in his first two years than Houston Nutt did so far. Leave that for a broke tire fire in Tallahassee? Gross.

Boom roasted.

No doubt. What’s their saying(s): “we may lose the game but we always win the tailgate” & “we redshirt Miss America’s”

Lane is a god in Oxford. Rumor is he’s got a bun in the oven w/ his 20-something year old girlfriend. Gross.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

This is such a great post haha

 

[Rogue219]

Thus the right now part. And also....not so fast my friend!

Cutcliffe got canned because he forgot that he had to recruit after Eli was set to graduate and the program predictably cratered.

You could also say he only had one good season with an all timer of a QB. Nice.

Hugh Freeze had a winning record there too*.

Ole Miss has a better stadium and facilities, more reasonable fans (see also, Grove, The), a better conference, an excellent recruiting footprint, and meanwhile they are paying top 15ish coaching money while he has fewer wins in his first two years than Houston Nutt did so far. Leave that for a broke tire fire in Tallahassee? Gross.

Boom roasted.

If one losing season is a cratered program, this is a tougher business than I thought. Cutcliffe has done a fair job at Duke. Ole Miss had a string of hires that didn't work out after him, including Mr. Freeze who left them with a great deal of baggage to carry. In hindsight, seems like a hasty firing.

However "excellent" their recruiting footprint is, we're talking about Florida. And yeah, it's not the SEC, which is kind of the point. Look at TV revenue, for example.

We're talking about post Saban Lane Kiffin right now. If he can't go into FSU and turn it around, it's hard to say who could.

 

[Irish#1]

There's points to be made for both Ole Miss and FSU. But ask yourself this. Which school has a better football reputation & profile? It's hands down FSU. Ole Miss may be in a better position right now, but it's still easier to recruit to FSU and the coeds have to be on par with Ole Miss. It wouldn't take the right coach that long to get FSU back on track.

 

[Wild Bill]

Can Kiffin be trusted? He bailed on TN for the USC job and if he's willing to leave Ole Miss for the FSU job, why wouldn't he leave FSU for greener pastures? FSU needs stability more than anything else right now and I'm not sure Kiffin would give them that, even if he's capable of turning them around.

 

[Rogue219]

Can Kiffin be trusted? He bailed on TN for the USC job and if he's willing to leave Ole Miss for the FSU job, why wouldn't he leave FSU for greener pastures? FSU needs stability more than anything else right now and I'm not sure Kiffin would give them that, even if he's capable of turning them around.

You're asking if a man in a profession of people who can't be trusted and often leave for greener pastures can be trusted and could potentially leave for greener pastures. I guess my answer is....no?

I still consider Kiffin post Saban lieutenant and Kiffin pre Saban to be two totally different people.

They could look at Chadwell from Coastal Carolina. I don't know what kind of recruiter he and his staff are, but they can develop talent and have an absolutely awesome offense.

 

[Armyirish47]

If one losing season is a cratered program, this is a tougher business than I thought. Cutcliffe has done a fair job at Duke. Ole Miss had a string of hires that didn't work out after him, including Mr. Freeze who left them with a great deal of baggage to carry. In hindsight, seems like a hasty firing.

However "excellent" their recruiting footprint is, we're talking about Florida. And yeah, it's not the SEC, which is kind of the point. Look at TV revenue, for example.

We're talking about post Saban Lane Kiffin right now. If he can't go into FSU and turn it around, it's hard to say who could.

It wasn't one losing season, you might not believe this but Ole Miss kept playing football AFTER they fired Cutcliffe and with the bounty he left behind they went....10-25 over the next three years.

I'm not saying he couldn't turn it around, he probably could, but I'm arguing that if I was him I wouldn't leave the sweet gig I have for a colossal rebuild that might be a sweet gig in three or four years,

 

[Wild Bill]

You're asking if a man in a profession of people who can't be trusted and often leave for greener pastures can be trusted and could potentially leave for greener pastures. I guess my answer is....no?

I still consider Kiffin post Saban lieutenant and Kiffin pre Saban to be two totally different people.

They could look at Chadwell from Coastal Carolina. I don't know what kind of recruiter he and his staff are, but they can develop talent and have an absolutely awesome offense.

There are some really loyal coaches out there who can win more than three games at FSU.

You're right about Kiffin. I give him a lot of credit. He's come a long way since that sun bowl shit show. I'd love to know what the hell happened to him that weekend.

 

[Dale]

Describing any coach as loyal is pretty overrated

Kiffin has a great gig at Ole Miss unless he has championship aspirations. If you deliver top but not even first in your division and an occasional blue blood upset you’re a god

 

[Number3rockin]

On fsu…asked my buddy who is a huge fsu fan…

In 2018 fsu had AD change to Coburn who is now promoted again. He’s done well with other fsu sports but not football. I don’t follow the hiring of coaches and AD stuff as much now though I should as i have the degrees to be an AD. Clearly he doesn’t know anything about football but does about small sports.
It goes again back to old money. Fsu has 0. Fsu allowed men first time in 1905 and first football in 1947. They only waited 30 years for Bowden. This is like UConn becoming a top 5 dynasty in football, in 5 years! It should have been impossible and as a result fsu didn’t grow a natural alumni big student body. They were spoiled it happened so fast. And it happened so late compared to say. Ohio state or usc. That’s not their fault. So fsu doesn’t have the money all these powers have. They are paying Taggart a ton and they cant buy norvel out. Fsu is a sleeping giant for 2 reasons. Bowden built a brand, and location to big time recruits; but facilities have yet to catch up to power 5s, fsu has no $$ financial advantages.

 

[Rogue219]

It wasn't one losing season, you might not believe this but Ole Miss kept playing football AFTER they fired Cutcliffe and with the bounty he left behind they went....10-25 over the next three years.

I'm not saying he couldn't turn it around, he probably could, but I'm arguing that if I was him I wouldn't leave the sweet gig I have for a colossal rebuild that might be a sweet gig in three or four years,

So Ed Orgeron going 10-25 is David Cutcliffe's fault?

In the seasons Cutcliffe was actually the head coach of Ole Miss Football, he had one losing season, and it was his last.