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[Armyirish47]

So Ed Orgeron going 10-25 is David Cutcliffe's fault?

In the seasons Cutcliffe was actually the head coach of Ole Miss Football, he had one losing season, and it was his last.

Hard to cook with a bare pantry. You could almost imagine him doing something special with a talented roster.

Cutcliffe had one good year with a generational QB and otherwise was mediocre at best, with recruiting nosediving. That's a recipe for regrettable extensions.

 

[Rogue219]

Hard to cook with a bare pantry. You could almost imagine him doing something special with a talented roster.

Cutcliffe had one good year with a generational QB and otherwise was mediocre at best, with recruiting nosediving. That's a recipe for regrettable extensions.

Orgeron won as many games in his third year as he did in his third and final. His February 2007 recruiting class wasn't even Top 30. His tenure was a disaster of his own doing and it's documented in two books, one of which he wrote.

 

[Rogue219]

There are some really loyal coaches out there who can win more than three games at FSU.

You're right about Kiffin. I give him a lot of credit. He's come a long way since that sun bowl shit show. I'd love to know what the hell happened to him that weekend.

The Nick Saban Coaching Rehab Center. It does wonders.

 

[Irishize]

Orgeron won as many games in his third year as he did in his third and final. His February 2007 recruiting class wasn't even Top 30. His tenure was a disaster of his own doing and it's documented in two books, one of which he wrote.

He did recruit well enough early on to set Houston Nutt up for success. As soon as that talent dried up, Nutt’s success did too.

 

[Irishize]

Describing any coach as loyal is pretty overrated

Kiffin has a great gig at Ole Miss unless he has championship aspirations. If you deliver top but not even first in your division and an occasional blue blood upset you’re a god

Ole Miss fans are pretty sensible (believe it or not) when it comes to their coach. They know the better Kiffin does, the more likely a big name program lures him away. Unless Ole Miss is that coach’s dream job their fan base realizes the HC will be gone due to losing too much or winning too much. Ironically, the one guy who likely saw Oxford as a destination (it’s just down the road from Memphis) was Hugh Freeze. But we all know how that ended.

 

[Armyirish47]

He did recruit well enough early on to set Houston Nutt up for success. As soon as that talent dried up, Nutt’s success did too.

Exactly, even 800 person recruiting classes (all numbers approximate) couldn't save Nutt once that initial Orgeron pipeline burst.

 

[Irish#1]

On fsu…asked my buddy who is a huge fsu fan…

In 2018 fsu had AD change to Coburn who is now promoted again. He’s done well with other fsu sports but not football. I don’t follow the hiring of coaches and AD stuff as much now though I should as i have the degrees to be an AD. Clearly he doesn’t know anything about football but does about small sports.
It goes again back to old money. Fsu has 0. Fsu allowed men first time in 1905 and first football in 1947. They only waited 30 years for Bowden. This is like UConn becoming a top 5 dynasty in football, in 5 years! It should have been impossible and as a result fsu didn’t grow a natural alumni big student body. They were spoiled it happened so fast. And it happened so late compared to say. Ohio state or usc. That’s not their fault. So fsu doesn’t have the money all these powers have. They are paying Taggart a ton and they cant buy norvel out. Fsu is a sleeping giant for 2 reasons. Bowden built a brand, and location to big time recruits; but facilities have yet to catch up to power 5s, fsu has no $$ financial advantages.

Yep, It just takes the right coach and his ability to sell, recruits, alum and the administration. When you get the right guy he can get alum to donate and demonstrate to the admin why it's worth it to spend the money.

 

[Rogue219]

He did recruit well enough early on to set Houston Nutt up for success. As soon as that talent dried up, Nutt’s success did too.

Did it ever. I assume that's Cutcliffe's fault too, though?

There were compliance violations under Nutt in addition to Freeze, it turns out. They were committed by assistants and not Nutt himself.

Coach O himself will tell anyone that he was a first time HC and made a lot of mistakes. Most thought he'd never get another shot at an HC job. Things randomly fell into place for him and he winds up at LSU and wins a title with one of the better assembled teams many of us have seen. I am happy he didn't wind up at USC. Things would likely be much different than they are now.

Side note: This Ole Miss QB Corral is from Long Beach Poly in CA. and flipped from Florida, speaking of USC. If SC hires the right guy to be their HC and he can recruit, ugh. There are QBs littered all over the SEC from Cali who are going to be making NFL dollars if they are not already.

 

[Dale]

Ed O on the tarmac tonight?

You just can’t lose this bad to UK when you’re LSU (28-7 currently). Big lost the locker room vibe

 

[Irishize]

Ed O on the tarmac tonight?

You just can’t lose this bad to UK when you’re LSU (28-7 currently). Big lost the locker room vibe

If not tonight…soon. The current AD didn’t hire him & wants his own guy. He was the A&M AD who got Jimbo so price won’t be an issue for him. No idea who they go after but gotta think Billy Napier gets a look. Can’t see Fickell being a fit there.

 

[Dale]

Feldman reporting some people at LSU really like Mel Tucker. What a move that would be for Tucker, Colorado - MSU - LSU coaching how many? 32 games in 3 years?

 

[Dale]

Kirk and Pollack going in on LSU players. No buy, not tough, look at me, don’t play hard

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Kirk and Pollack going in on LSU players. No buy, not tough, look at me, don’t play hard

That’s pretty damning considering what Orgeron is supposed to bring to the table.

 

[NDBoiler]

That’s pretty damning considering what Orgeron is supposed to bring to the table.

I’d fire him just because of his voice. It’s just so hard for me to listen to him talk without being irritated.

 

[Dale]

Of course they come out with some fight when it seems like all but dead haha

 

[tko]

VT job has to opening up very soon and when does Miami can Diaz?

 

[Bishop2b5]

I’d fire him just because of his voice. It’s just so hard for me to listen to him talk without being irritated.

Murgaflumbal norbuh gholdorfan flibberatuh shnasturlup. Geauxtiguhs!

 

[ulukinatme]

Murgaflumbal norbuh gholdorfan flibberatuh shnasturlup. Geauxtiguhs!

 

[texbender]

VT job has to opening up very soon and when does Miami can Diaz?

Agree. ACC ranks are ripe for the pickin'......VT, UM, Duke, FSU

 

[Dale]

Wow Ed O fired but finishing the season.

 

[ColinKSU]

The SEC is built different, man.

 

[GoldenAura]

I wonder who LSU is gonna go after.

Edit: I did see the report about Tucker though. He's having a good year.

 

[BoredIrish]

Wow Ed O fired but finishing the season.

If Urban ever coaches in college again, this might be his best shot.

 

[calvegas04]

This news has to hurt usc

 

[irishff1014]

Wow Ed O fired but finishing the season.

This the dumbest thing in the world. And they want they have to pay him 17 million dollars.

 

[texbender]

For a state that never seems to be financially sound, there sure seems to be plenty of $$ for a coach at LSU.

 

[ulukinatme]

This news has to hurt usc

Maybe, but realistically I'd rather coach USC than LSU. You get your pick of talent on the west coast basically and the talent you play against is mediocre. When a competent coach shows up there again they should be rolling and making the playoff regularly.

 

[calvegas04]

Maybe, but realistically I'd rather coach USC than LSU. You get your pick of talent on the west coast basically and the talent you play against is mediocre. When a competent coach shows up there again they should be rolling and making the playoff regularly.

Kids going to play football now were born last time usc was at their prime, they are no longer the kings of CA

 

[ulukinatme]

Kids going to play football now were born last time usc was at their prime, they are no longer the kings of CA

Really? Maybe not in the rankings, but other than the 2020 class they've had recent recruiting classes ranked 7th, 20th, and 4th over the last few years. They're still getting talent, they just lack coaching.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Wow Ed O fired but finishing the season.

O is one of those guys who should never have been promoted above position coach. Heck of a recruiter and motivator, but he's just not equipped with the tools to sit in the big office. He can get a team fired up and motivated, and they can win on emotion. He just can't keep it going and win consistently over the course of several years He's good for a game or even a season. He's not a program builder. Once all the raw emotions and the rah rah wears off, it's all downhill from there. He's the perfect guy to be your interim coach that finishes a season and you keep him for the following season. That's all. His expiration date rolls around immediately after that, though.