Coaching Carousel

[irishff1014]

Game cocks can Will Muschamp.

 

[Irish YJ]

Game cocks can Will Muschamp.

Not really a big fan of Will, but I'm not sure they'll do better with GA and FL in the same division. He's best as a DC, and I'm sure will get picked up again easily.

If I were him though, I'd go get a HC job in the AAC if he got that chance. Trying to compete in the SECE vs UGA and FL was never going to end well.

USF just hired a new coach, but they might look even worse than they did with Strong. EC if he wants to stay in the Carolinas.

 

[Irishize]

I was just listening to Andy Staples podcast this morning and while they agreed Muschamp would’ve been fired in any normal year, they figured he’d get a pass due to COVID this season.

They’re eating some contract aren’t they? Maybe some of their deep pocket boosters stepped up and said they’d support a change.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Think Venables might have interest here?

 

[Irishize]

Meatchicken doesn’t fire coaches during the season, so don’t even start the “Fire Harbaugh” chants..

 

[Valpodoc85]

Hairball won’t get “fired”. They will part ways

 

[Irish YJ]

I was just listening to Andy Staples podcast this morning and while they agreed Muschamp would’ve been fired in any normal year, they figured he’d get a pass due to COVID this season.

They’re eating some contract aren’t they? Maybe some of their deep pocket boosters stepped up and said they’d support a change.

https://www.thestate.com/sports/col...h-carolina/usc-football/article247207839.html

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[Ndaccountant]

Not really a big fan of Will, but I'm not sure they'll do better with GA and FL in the same division. He's best as a DC, and I'm sure will get picked up again easily.

If I were him though, I'd go get a HC job in the AAC if he got that chance. Trying to compete in the SECE vs UGA and FL was never going to end well.

USF just hired a new coach, but they might look even worse than they did with Strong. EC if he wants to stay in the Carolinas.

Hugh Freeze has got to be on top of their list. Frankly, if that were to happen, the real loser is UT. The cocks may not win the East, but I would bet that if Hugh Freeze was there, UT's hope for a revival would all be nailed shut for the foreseeable future.

As for Will....Someone will take a chance on him, but he will be both expensive and risky. He hasn't coordinated a defense full time since 2009 save his one season on the plains. And frankly, that team was a hot mess and his defense was unremarkable. The only thing the did well was limit big passing plays. But don't confuse that with having a good pass defense. They were in triple digits w/r/t pass defense success rate and sack rate. Many times the game passes some of the defense coordinators turned head coach by. I am not sure on Will either way, but I think it would be a large risk given the investment it would take to get him (for any school).

 

[zelezo vlk]

Will Muschamp will be an analyst at Bama, as is tradition.

I heard that Jim Harbaugh might be available for South Carolina to call. If they're willing to wait until December, of course

 

[Irishize]

Think Venables might have interest here?

He has stated he feels obligated to stay through his son’s (maybe 2 sons?) career since he sold him on attending Clemson. Plus, he can afford to be picky. I think he can do better than a 2nd tier SEC school.

 

[zelezo vlk]

He has stated he feels obligated to stay through his son’s (maybe 2 sons?) career since he sold him on attending Clemson. Plus, he can afford to be picky. I think he can do better than a 2nd tier SEC school.

Plus it'd suck to lose to your old school every year

 

[Irish YJ]

He has stated he feels obligated to stay through his son’s (maybe 2 sons?) career since he sold him on attending Clemson. Plus, he can afford to be picky. I think he can do better than a 2nd tier SEC school.

Exactly. Not sure he's the type of guy who could excel as a HC, or even wants the spotlight, but he can likely do better. And Muschamp was only making around 3M a year, not much more than Venables. I'm sure Clemson would match that if needed.

Hugh Freeze has got to be on top of their list. Frankly, if that were to happen, the real loser is UT. The cocks may not win the East, but I would bet that if Hugh Freeze was there, UT's hope for a revival would all be nailed shut for the foreseeable future.

As for Will....Someone will take a chance on him, but he will be both expensive and risky. He hasn't coordinated a defense full time since 2009 save his one season on the plains. And frankly, that team was a hot mess and his defense was unremarkable. The only thing the did well was limit big passing plays. But don't confuse that with having a good pass defense. They were in triple digits w/r/t pass defense success rate and sack rate. Many times the game passes some of the defense coordinators turned head coach by. I am not sure on Will either way, but I think it would be a large risk given the investment it would take to get him (for any school).

Hugh is making what Muschamp was making already (3M) and just signed an extension. He'd be silly to go to SC for the same and get beat by UGA and FL, when he can stay and be worshiped at Liberty IMO.

I don't really agree on UT being cooked if Hugh went to SC. TN has such a better fanbase and much better facilities. They just need to get the right coach. They've been able to recruit pretty darn good even while sucking at football. TN has been top 10ish the last couple of years, and decent before. SC is lucky to pop into the top 20.

Not saying Muschamp is all that coaching D. That's why I said he should just go to the AAC and be a big boy in a smaller pond. Fickel and Heupel will likely get bigger jobs pretty soon too.

 

[rtrn2glory]

About that time of the year where I start looking over football scoop 2-3 times a day

 

[NDMIA]

He has stated he feels obligated to stay through his son’s (maybe 2 sons?) career since he sold him on attending Clemson. Plus, he can afford to be picky. I think he can do better than a 2nd tier SEC school.

If Kirby Smart's head coaching job can be Georgia then Venables can do better than South Carolina. Maybe not, but for now it makes no sense for him to go there and barely scratch a 10 win season in a good year.

Also, Venables by 2025 when his two sons are gone will be making $2.5M a year at Clemson. I'd highly doubt he'd leave for a $3M a year job at some mid-tier school. I'd bet it would take $5M minimum to get him to leave Clemson and there's maybe 25 schools in the country capable of that cash. I'm very curious what job he takes but I'd bet he'd wait for a sleeping giant with loads of talent. Not that he'd take a job this offseason, but here's an example of what he could be going after in terms of top 15 team talent teams and hot seat coaches.

1) Texas
2) USC
3) Auburn
4) Tennessee
5) Michigan

 

[Rogue219]

Co Signed on Muschamp to Bama and Freeze to South Carolina. I don't think there is any question on either of those happening.

Muschamp will land somewhere in P5 again as a DC at worst.

 

[NDohio]

https://sports.yahoo.com/will-muschamp-fired-south-carolina-candidates-010831920.html

After dropping Will Muschamp, who will South Carolina hire? Here are 12 candidates

South Carolina parted ways with coach Will Muschamp on Sunday night, opening the first Power Five job of the year. Here’s a look at who could replace him in Columbia after Muschamp went 28-30 in five seasons. South Carolina will not get one of the top candidates bandied around for the blue-blood jobs, as coaches like Iowa State’s Matt Campbell, Cincinnati’s Luke Fickell and Indiana’s Tom Allen aren’t going there. (Allen just signed a new deal, and his buyout would be in the neighborhood of $20 million to leave.)

Here’s a list at who USC could be targeting:

Billy Napier, Louisiana

He may not be the sexiest candidate, but he’s the most realistic. Napier has guided Louisiana to an upset of Iowa State this season and a national ranking. He played at Furman and coached at South Carolina State and Clemson (twice), so his ties to the state are strong. South Carolina officials are eating more than $13 million to fire Muschamp, not to mention the cost of his staff. (Mike Bobo, for example, has another year at $1.2 million remaining on his deal.) South Carolina officials may want a sexier name, but Napier may be the best fit. He’s been picky about jobs, turning down the shot to interview at multiple Power Five schools last year. This one may land different.

Bill O’Brien, former NFL coach

O’Brien has a ton of college experience and has been a coveted coach for college jobs during his time in the NFL. He’s highly regarded for his time at Penn State and spent the early years of his coaching career at Duke, Maryland and Georgia Tech. He’d bring the program an identity and edge that it’s lacked.

Hugh Freeze, Liberty

Freeze has feasted on inferior competition at Liberty this season, revitalizing his career prospects after his program’s NCAA rules failings and his own personal demons ended his career at Ole Miss. South Carolina president Bob Caslen is a retired Army lieutenant general and the former superintendent at West Point. He just wrote a book entitled “The Character Edge, Leading and Winning with Integrity.” That doesn’t sound like a guy who’ll be focused on Freeze, but he’ll deal with the nerves of a fan base fearful that a school like Tennessee or Auburn will eventually hire him and torture South Carolina.

Scott Satterfield, Louisville

Satterfield may be worth a swing if they want a big name that resonates in the Carolinas. He brings a lot of things that South Carolina needs — recruiting chops, offensive creativity and success in that footprint at Appalachian State. You’d have to look past this year’s COVID-19-ravaged roster, as Louisville has gone 2-6 after 8-5 last season.

Tony Elliott, Clemson offensive coordinator

His hire would significantly weaken Clemson, as he’s been the school’s valued play-caller since Chad Morris left for SMU in 2015. Through Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence, Elliott has been the quiet, steady presence behind Clemson’s offensive juggernaut. He’s long maintained he wants to go to a place where he can win enough that he can feel secure luring coaches — and their families — to come join him. Is sticking around in-state attractive?

Steve Sarkisian, Alabama offensive coordinator

Sarkisian’s stigma appears to be in the past after a long courtship by both Mississippi State and Colorado last season. He brings a lot of experience, a solid degree of success at Washington (34-29) and enough offensive expertise to get South Carolina out of the stone age.

Brent Venables, Clemson defensive coordinator

The Clemson defensive coordinator’s candidacy may be hurt by the reality of Gamecock fans enduring the uninspired offenses Muschamp trotted out the past five years. Typically, schools reflexively hire opposites. Venables has been judicious about what jobs he’d seek. But in the last year, he’d shown more interest in going to a job that may not be a blue blood. He knows the area, and his hire would also significantly weaken Clemson. The school’s rise to the elite coincided with Venables’ arrival in 2012.

Will Healy, Charlotte

He brings charisma and the ability to infuse energy into a program that needs it. He’d also be a bell cow on the recruiting trail, as Steve Spurrier’s best years came when he was able to keep top talent like Jadeveon Clowney and Stephon Gilmore home.

Joe Brady, Panthers offensive coordinator

It’s more likely that Brady will pursue NFL jobs, but his offensive acumen and success locally as Matt Rhule’s OC would make him an intriguing name here. There’s not much expectation that Brady ends up in college in the near future.


Jamey Chadwell, Coastal Carolina

From one year of roaring success in the Sun Belt to the SEC seems like a bit of a leap. But it’s hard to ignore what Coastal has done this season, bringing them to No. 15 in the country and emerging as the season’s feel-good story.

Jeff Monken, Army

The tie to Caslen would be the main allure here, as Caslen saw how Monken pulled Army from the football gutter and has brought it back to a place where winning seasons have become an expectation. Monken was involved in searches at both Mississippi State and Missouri last year, but the lack of ties to the area — other than Caslen — would put him on a B-list.

Bill Clark, UAB

The Blazers are on track for another trip to the Conference USA title game, and Clark has earned a strong reputation in the Southern footprint for resuscitating UAB and putting together hard-nosed defenses. Clark, like all the defensive coaches on this list, is working against the reality that South Carolina will likely favor an offensive coach.

 

[Classic Irish]

Glad I’m not seeing Clark Lea’s name mentioned...yet.

 

[NewEnglandGuy]

Love to see the Clemson coordinator marriage finally break up. They have had unbelievable coaching stability despite their success.

Swinney 2003-2006 WR, 2007 AHC/WR, 2008 interim HC/OC, 2009-present HC (18 years)

Venables 2012–2017 DC/LB, 2018–present AHC/DC/LB (9 years)
-2016 Broyles Award winner. Finalist in 2006, 2015

Elliott 2011–2014 RB, 2015–2019 co-OC/RB, 2020–present OC/RB (10 years)
-2017 Broyles Award winner


The first domino just recently fell:
Jeff Scott 2008 WR, 2009–2014 WR/RC, 2015–2019 co-OC/WR (12 years). USF head coach in 2020
-2018 Broyles Finalist

And at the start of Dabo's success:
Chad Morris 2011–2014 OC/QB (4 years)

Venables son is redshirt sophomore on 2020 team, so unlikely he goes anywhere for another couple years.

At the conclusion of the 2019 season, between the 3 coordinators and HC, There was 46 years of Clemson only coaching experience. Average of 11.5 Clemson years each. Unbelievable.

Meanwhile, Kelly had Diaco (4 years at ND) win the Broyles in 2012, leave after 2013, Mike Elko (1 year at ND) as a semi-finalist in 2017, leave same year, Chip Long (3 years at ND) as a finalist in 2018, let go after 2019. Ugh.

 

[Rogue219]

Could Muschamp land at Tennessee or even UGA?

Tennessee seems more likely, but he did go to UGA and if Smart would have him....

 

[longliveautrydenson]

In the past two years, I’ve seen a lot of people cite Notre Dame’s 2016 season as the reason Harbaugh, Helton, and Franklin shouldn’t be fired. No one seems to realize that the 4-8 season was a fluke brought about by a terrible DC hire and a QB controversy that poisoned the locker room.

Now it seems like fans and ADs are talking themselves into thinking that an ND-type rebound is possible for USC, Michigan, and Penn State. Maybe that’s true, but I find it pretty unlikely given the inherent flaws of Harbaugh, Helton, and Franklin.

All this to say, wouldn’t it be hilarious if our 4-8 season unwittingly caused our two most hated rivals to hang on to mediocre coaches based on a misguided belief that what happened at Notre Dame could happen for them?

 

[notredomer23]

Have a feeling Ed O may be getting discussed a bit more in this thread soon.

 

[Rogue219]

Have a feeling Ed O may be getting discussed a bit more in this thread soon.

Which would be incredibly ridiculous if that is the case.

 

[dublinirish]

don't forget they have those booster payments violations over them also.

 

[Rogue219]

don't forget they have those booster payments violations over them also.

If that's the case, shouldn't he be gone already?

 

[notredomer23]

Which would be incredibly ridiculous if that is the case.

100% agree given many of the problems are at an institutional level or even from Les Miles. I just expect this story to get louder and louder. Ed O seems like the low hanging fruit to make them look like they're taking it seriously.

 

[Rogue219]

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/s...-guice-drake-davis-other-students/6056388002/

Ok, so there is this.

Looks like a lot of non football related stuff going down at LSU.

 

[Wild Bill]

Could Muschamp land at Tennessee or even UGA?

Tennessee seems more likely, but he did go to UGA and if Smart would have him....

Muschamp has definitely earned a chance to shit himself at another sec program imo.

 

[Legacy]

Utah State fired Gary Anderson after an 0-3 start and a scoring defense that gave up 38 pts/gm. In his second stint there 2019-20 he is 7-9. Anderson paid a $3 million buyout to leave Wisconsin and waived his buyout of $12.6 million in guaranteed compensation from Oregon State to return to Uah as DC and then to Utah State as HC.

 

[irishtrain]

I have a standing joke that Dabo/Jimbo/Willbo is one person-when was the last time you saw all 3 together?-cant be done its just one person.

 

[Irishize]

Utah State fired Gary Anderson after an 0-3 start and a scoring defense that gave up 38 pts/gm. In his second stint there 2019-20 he is 7-9. Anderson paid a $3 million buyout to leave Wisconsin and waived his buyout of $12.6 million in guaranteed compensation from Oregon State to return to Uah as DC and then to Utah State as HC.

Wonder if he was home-schooled